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On 6/22/2025 at 5:23 AM, cloudff7 said:

Do 2.5" laptop HDDs have a temperature range for long-term storage without risk of demagnetization of the platters causing data loss and corruption? Or does any temperature above 25C slowly cause the platters to demagnetize?

As others have pointed out, looking at spec sheets for some drives shows that they're capable of operating up to around 65-70 C. It would be very bad for the drive makers if data was being lost because they were running at 25 C. 

 

On 6/22/2025 at 5:50 AM, cloudff7 said:

Does the Curie temperature have anything to do with the magnetic materials used in the platters of 2.5" HDDs or does the Curie temperature only have anything to do with other types of more resistant magnetic materials that are not available in 2.5" laptop HDDs?

 

my home temperature is 36C quicly loss magnetize in platters 2.5" hdd? humidity influence?

Curie temperature does matter, but you forget that drive disks are a blend of materials. Hence said temperature is often high enough that you will never encounter it in real life. Matter of fact HAMR drives rely on shooting a heat transducer (laser in many cases) towards a small area of the disk so that they can write data to it.

Also it is possible to affect the functionality of a drive with a strong enough magnet. In the case of the CRT, assuming that it is powerful enough; would require you to actually reconfigure it so that the coils that generate the magnetic fields are instead focusing on the drive. And even then, you're more likely to affect the heads, voice coil motor, or spindle motor.

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Are the Curie (demagnetization) temperatures for neodymium magnets and for plates different?

 

 

I have a 29" CRT TV a few centimeters away from the 2.5" HDDs. The HDDs are inside a USB3.0 case and inside the Orico box inside the cabinet next to the CRT TV. When the 29" CRT TV is on, the HDD is stored, but when I access the HDD, the CRT TV is off. On the way from the cabinet to the PC, the HDD passes very close to the TV. I don't know if this demagnetizes the 2.5" laptop HDD in any way.

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44 minutes ago, cloudff7 said:

Are the Curie (demagnetization) temperatures for neodymium magnets and for plates different?

 

 

I have a 29" CRT TV a few centimeters away from the 2.5" HDDs. The HDDs are inside a USB3.0 case and inside the Orico box inside the cabinet next to the CRT TV. When the 29" CRT TV is on, the HDD is stored, but when I access the HDD, the CRT TV is off. On the way from the cabinet to the PC, the HDD passes very close to the TV. I don't know if this demagnetizes the 2.5" laptop HDD in any way.

every one of your questions have been answered numerous times already.

Are you not reading the replies?

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45 minutes ago, jmwhite33 said:

every one of your questions have been answered numerous times already.

Are you not reading the replies?

This user has been asking basically the same questions for half a year here and on other forums. Every time, it's the same. Asks question, gets answered, continues to ask the same question over and over.

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1 hour ago, cloudff7 said:

I access my 2.5" laptop HDDs + case usb3.0 once a year. What procedure should I follow to check if all the files are intact? Copy all the files to my PC. My PC's HDD does not have enough space.

The same one that people told you last time you asked. It hasn't changed.

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On 6/28/2025 at 9:07 AM, cloudff7 said:

Are the Curie (demagnetization) temperatures for neodymium magnets and for plates different?

 

 

I have a 29" CRT TV a few centimeters away from the 2.5" HDDs. The HDDs are inside a USB3.0 case and inside the Orico box inside the cabinet next to the CRT TV. When the 29" CRT TV is on, the HDD is stored, but when I access the HDD, the CRT TV is off. On the way from the cabinet to the PC, the HDD passes very close to the TV. I don't know if this demagnetizes the 2.5" laptop HDD in any way.

you know, we used to put our CRT monitors ON TOP of our PCs. So they literally sat on top of the HDD.
Hell AIOs were built INSIDE CRT screens
The HDD will be fine.
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5 hours ago, cloudff7 said:

what protection in hdds 2.5" laptop or CRT TV 29" not cause demagnetize discs of hdd? in datasheet hdds any information this situation?

They don't need protection beyond the case. The magnets are not strong enough.

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If a 2.5" HDD is placed very close (2 cm or 3 cm) to a large, 29" CRT TV Power off, could this TV, due to its large and powerful magnets and coils, cause some degradation in the HDD's magnetism, leading to data loss or corruption and magnetic degradation?

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If a 2.5" HDD is placed very close (2 cm or 3 cm) to a large, 29" CRT TV Power off, could this TV, due to its large and powerful magnets and coils, cause some degradation in the HDD's magnetism, leading to data loss or corruption and magnetic degradation?

No.  The CRT doesn't have magnets strong enough, especially not outside the TV's housing.

 

Do you think of these things normally?  Is your brain wired for catastrophic thinking, I mean?  In 52 years, I have never had reason to contemplate CRT/HDD relationships, and I have been alive during the heyday for them both 🙂

 

Very interesting though, looking forward to the next.

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50 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

No.  The CRT doesn't have magnets strong enough, especially not outside the TV's housing.

 

Do you think of these things normally?  Is your brain wired for catastrophic thinking, I mean?  In 52 years, I have never had reason to contemplate CRT/HDD relationships, and I have been alive during the heyday for them both 🙂

 

Very interesting though, looking forward to the next.

this is at least the third time this guy has posted the same question.

No matter what information is presented, they refuse to accept it.

 

55 minutes ago, cloudff7 said:

If a 2.5" HDD is placed very close (2 cm or 3 cm) to a large, 29" CRT TV Power off, could this TV, due to its large and powerful magnets and coils, cause some degradation in the HDD's magnetism, leading to data loss or corruption and magnetic degradation?

 

why don't you just try it yourself and report back to us the results?

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1 hour ago, cloudff7 said:

If a 2.5" HDD is placed very close (2 cm or 3 cm) 

Why is it so close?

1 hour ago, cloudff7 said:

29" CRT TV Power off

Power off == no magnetic flux == no risk

1 hour ago, cloudff7 said:

large and powerful magnets and coils

They are by no means large nor powerful

1 hour ago, cloudff7 said:

magnetism, leading to data loss or corruption

You'd need some chonky magnets to cause data loss. Like, hundreds of pounds of pull force. Like, "you need to remove all magnetic objects before approaching" kinda force. I can't think of anything outside of an MRI or some huge highly specialized industrial machinery where you'd see enough magnetic force to affect the data. 

 


Bud, I'm gonna level with you. I've seen a handful of your posts and given the pattern they establish, I'd recommend getting checked out for some flavor of general anxiety or paranoid personality disorder. Your worries aren't rational and you aren't listening to people when they explain why. If you happen to *have* a clinical diagnosis, whatever treatment regimen you're on isn't working. 
If you truly have mission-critical, cannot lose, absolutely must have data and you're this worried about it, just do 3-2-1 backup strategy (note: the 2 now means 2 different devices, not storage media) and you should be safe. I literally cannot find a single instance when someone followed it and still had data irretrievably lost. 

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What types of protection are available on 2.5" HDDs to prevent external magnetic interference? Do 2.5" HDDs of all brands, models, and years of manufacture have this protection?

 

Is there any calculation of magnetic emission from a large 29" CRT TV supported by a 2.5" HDD?

 

I contacted WD and Seagate's chat support and was confused by their answers.

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8 minutes ago, cloudff7 said:

What types of protection are available on 2.5" HDDs to prevent external magnetic interference? Do 2.5" HDDs of all brands, models, and years of manufacture have this protection?

 

Is there any calculation of magnetic emission from a large 29" CRT TV supported by a 2.5" HDD?

 

I contacted WD and Seagate's chat support and was confused by their answers.

So now you're trying to calculate the exact magnetic force affecting the HDD from the CRT?  

 

Even after we and the internet told you there is no worry?  And I am sure WD and Seagate told you the same, with actual quantitative measures....

 

So we answer you, and you spin around us and ask something related without giving ANY credence to our effort?   Insulting, to be honest.

 

Wrap that bitch in lead, Superman!!!

 

I feel for you on this and previous posts.  But I am going to utilize the forum's ability to not get sucked in to trying to help when it's not granted the weight of which I am trying.

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I've read like more than 5 threads now of OP asking questions about data backup, many of them very specific but really uncommon questions. Magnetic interference from a CRT monitor??? .....

 

What do you store in those backups that you're so worried about?

Nuclear missile launch codes?

Top secret Pentagon files?

Tons of Bitcoins?

 

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15 minutes ago, Mumintroll said:

I've read like more than 5 threads now of OP asking questions about data backup, many of them very specific but really uncommon questions. Magnetic interference from a CRT monitor??? .....

 

What do you store in those backups that you're so worried about?

Nuclear missile launch codes?

Top secret Pentagon files?

Tons of Bitcoins?

 

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He's probably in high school and wants to impress his friends with esoteric information.

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56 minutes ago, Mumintroll said:

I've read like more than 5 threads now of OP asking questions about data backup, many of them very specific but really uncommon questions. Magnetic interference from a CRT monitor??? .....

 

What do you store in those backups that you're so worried about?

Nuclear missile launch codes?

Top secret Pentagon files?

Tons of Bitcoins?

 

🤔

If I recall, it is emulators and roms. Nothing that is too difficult to replace if lost.

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2 hours ago, Blue4130 said:

If I recall, it is emulators and roms. Nothing that is too difficult to replace if lost.

But why can't they be stored a few FEET away from a CRT?  He seems to be putting them directly on it.

 

Even in a bare ass open space you can still move things around a little to avoid that.

 

It's a forced question.

 

Made up stuff, his brain is just grabbing concepts and mixing them up a little, then asking pointed questions.

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my hdds 2.5" models: WD10JPVX‑08JC3T5 and HGST HTS541010A99E662, ST500LM030

Are the arms and heads of the 2.5" HDDs sensitive to external electromagnetic fields at close range? Example: big crt TV 29" turn on 2cm distance for HDD 2.5" will the sensitivity cause wrong random movements and lack of control of the heads and arms of the 2.5" HDD?

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Another week, another super specific, often repeated thread from you about bizarre hard drive/storage magnetics.

 

I recommend looking back at your previous threads on the same utter nonsense for the answers.
 

 

 

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They... are sensitive... ish. but like you need a stupid strong field to do that, one that you can not get outside of industrial or medical enviroments. A CRT will not mess with them. Remember our all in ones used to be made with CRTs. 

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6 minutes ago, whispous said:

Another week, another super specific, often repeated thread from you about bizarre hard drive/storage magnetics.

 

I recommend looking back at your previous threads on the same utter nonsense for the answers.
 

 

 

That is some bot ass behavior. 

Why are you so anxious about it?
Keep a backup. 

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Think about it for a second.

Computers wouldn't use both CRTs and hard drives if one damaged the other, would they? 

What the horse considers play, the monkey considers business...

But to Tom, it's all foolery. 

 

 

 

 

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Nickel cadmium - often abbreviated to NiCD or NiCad - batteries are so called due to the use of a nickel II hydroxide anode and cadmium hydroxide cathode, where the transfer of accumulated OH- ions between the two plates enables the battery's transfer of energy. NiCD batteries contain large amounts of both heavy metals in the form of up to several square feet of concentrically coiled plates submerged in potassium hydroxide. Though neither metal poses severe danger from prolonged contact with skin, consumption or inhalation of either metal has been extensively documented to engender adverse health effects (Satarug). 

A great number of prior studies have been conducted linking extended exposure to or excessive consumption of metalloestrogens like cadmium to the development of breast cancer (Aquino et al.) - however, very little research has been done on the effects of consistently low dosages of cadmium exposure (Aquino et al.). Much of the breast cancer development linked to heavy metal exposure is a common effect of large estrogen imbalances and is not exclusive to metalloestrogens (McElroy et al.). Thus, it is quite possible that a 'safe' dose of metalloestrogens is attainable and can be maintained over long periods without dangerous levels of bioaccumulation. 

Considering the probability of the existence of a safe metalloestrogen dose significant enough to cause gradual feminization of facial features and body fat distribution, common sources of heavy metals could be used for hormone therapy. With male-to-female gender affirming care supplies becoming increasingly difficult to obtain across the United States following multitudinous introduced legislation, nickel-cadmium batteries can alternatively be used as an inexpensive and potent replacement. 

 

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