Hyper 212 cannot cool 3700x

[IBM_THINKPAD_R51]

Ryzen 7 3700x with PBO enabled 

 

 

I am going to upgrade soon but this will be a second build anyway so I got to solve this

The fan that came with the hyper 212 failed so I replaced it with a random fan

I found out that it idles at 54 and prime 95 make it's shoot to 95 I lnstantly and the cpu stays at 4GHz

 

I switch led it with a server fan that pulls 1.3amps, it's super loud

The idle temps dropped to like 45 but prime 95 still shoots to 95 with clocks being at 4GHz

 

I got some pics

I belive mounting pressure it good too

 

In addition at lower speeds the server fan makes this weird pattern... Maybe it can't handle low speeds? 

 

 

Cooler master is the random fan

 

[Shimejii]

Hyper 212 is a basic cooler, it was not designed to really handle much beyond a 90w heatload, even if the box says it can. Its for basic CPUS. You should be aiming for a Thermalright Phantom Spirit, it will do a lot better

 

It was supposed to be a Cheap 20$ cooler then held you over until you got enough money to buy a better cooler. Nowadays a lot of cpus are 95w-175w, and that cooler just cant do it.

 

There will be Hyper 212 shills that promise you it can do it all, its a 4 heatpipe cooler, and it was not designed for that

[IBM_THINKPAD_R51]

1 minute ago, Shimejii said:

Hyper 212 is a basic cooler, it was not designed to really handle much beyond a 90w heatload, even if the box says it can. Its for basic CPUS. You should be aiming for a Thermalright Phantom Spirit, it will do a lot better

The 3700x tdp is 65W, and the hyper 212 is supposedly supposed to cool 130W TDP, even if we assume that the PBO boosts the TDP of the 3700x would it be over 130W TDP?

[BiotechBen]

13 minutes ago, IBM_THINKPAD_R51 said:

The 3700x tdp is 65W, and the hyper 212 is supposedly supposed to cool 130W TDP, even if we assume that the PBO boosts the TDP of the 3700x would it be over 130W TDP?

My old 2600x would go to 126w doing balls-to-the-wall 3.95 all core.

[Somerandomtechyboi]

h212 is ancient either you bought it long ago when it was actually a great choice or you bought it years too late by the time it was overpriced and obselete where better cheaper options exist

 

its an ok cooler but a horrible buy these days when the phantom spirit or burst assassin/assassin king exists

 

i myself have an old h212 evo as a part of a kit of parts i bought awhile ago and it does fine for cooling midly oced x58 just need to find some mounting hardware for it

 

to solve your cooling problems go buy a phantom spirit obviously, theyre 36$ and compete with the nhd15

[BlueChinchillaEatingDorito]

24 minutes ago, IBM_THINKPAD_R51 said:

The 3700x tdp is 65W, and the hyper 212 is supposedly supposed to cool 130W TDP, even if we assume that the PBO boosts the TDP of the 3700x would it be over 130W TDP?

65W is base. It does not include boost/turbo conditions. 

 

The same is true on the Intel side. Yes a Core i7-12700 has a 65W TDP on the box. But it'll regularly double that when you're gaming or doing anything intensive. Hence why the stock cooler cannot cope with it. Ask me how I know. 

[Fasauceome]

37 minutes ago, IBM_THINKPAD_R51 said:

with PBO enabled

 

37 minutes ago, IBM_THINKPAD_R51 said:

prime 95

 

37 minutes ago, IBM_THINKPAD_R51 said:

The fan that came with the hyper 212 failed so I replaced it with a random fan

Can of indeterminate quality, unrealistic workload, tuned power limits for less restrictions. Gee, I wonder why the cooler is struggling.

 

How about case airflow, what case and intake fans are you equipped with? My own system is using a hyper 212 and an over locked i7. However, with 2 intake and 1 exhaust in a very breathable case, as well as a second fan on the cooler itself for more flow over the fins, and somewhat carefully tuned voltage, I am getting under 70 degrees at load while gaming. 

[IBM_THINKPAD_R51]

Just now, Fasauceome said:

 

 

Can of indeterminate quality, unrealistic workload, tuned power limits for less restrictions. Gee, I wonder why the cooler is struggling.

 

How about case airflow, what case and intake fans are you equipped with? My own system is using a hyper 212 and an over locked i7. However, with 2 intake and 1 exhaust in a very breathable case, as well as a second fan on the cooler itself for more flow over the fins, and somewhat carefully tuned voltage, I am getting under 70 degrees at load while gaming. 

I have the Antec P101, 3 intake 1 exhaust, with the front flap thingy open

[IBM_THINKPAD_R51]

Interesting, tbh this still doesnt sound completely right to me, since double 65W TDP is 130TDP which the hyper 212 is rated for... along with the server fan which should help it, maybe its that PBO is pushing 1.5Volts core voltage? maybe i should tune it manually and undervolt the cpu. Also while Prime95 is going it does say that the CPU is drawing 130Watts...so tbh none of this make sense to me.

 

As a stopgap i will leave the server fan on there and undervolt the CPU

[Fasauceome]

3 minutes ago, IBM_THINKPAD_R51 said:

I have the Antec P101, 3 intake 1 exhaust, with the front flap thingy open

Seems like good airflow, so let's look at other contributors for temps. 

 

Do you have a second fan you can mount to the cooler. And possibly a better fan? I replaced my 212 Evo with a 212 black, but the only difference was the quieter operation. Temps were identical but I was using the included fan and one thermaltake Riing fan. Do you have something like a Corsair 120mm fan to throw on this thing?

 

The other thing I'm suspicious of is the mount. The cooler was designed for Intel first so the convex/concave shape may not match up perfectly. You might consider reversing the tower for a potentially better fit. Possibly add a tiny bit extra paste for better contact. 

2 minutes ago, IBM_THINKPAD_R51 said:

maybe its that PBO is pushing 1.5Volts core voltage? maybe i should tune it manually

Yes, dropping the voltage below 1.4 should help a lot. Put on a negative offset if possible, around -.15 or -.2 volts. 

 

3 minutes ago, IBM_THINKPAD_R51 said:

. Also while Prime95 is going it does say that the CPU is drawing 130Watts...so tbh none of this make sense to me.

Prime95 is an unrealistic load. It's better to see if you are getting reasonable temps in something like a game. 

[IBM_THINKPAD_R51]

1 minute ago, Fasauceome said:

Seems like good airflow, so let's look at other contributors for temps. 

 

Do you have a second fan you can mount to the cooler. And possibly a better fan? I replaced my 212 Evo with a 212 black, but the only difference was the quieter operation. Temps were identical but I was using the included fan and one thermaltake Riing fan. Do you have something like a Corsair 120mm fan to throw on this thing?

 

The other thing I'm suspicious of is the mount. The cooler was designed for Intel first so the convex/concave shape may not match up perfectly. You might consider reversing the tower for a potentially better fit. Possibly add a tiny bit extra paste for better contact. 

Yes, dropping the voltage below 1.4 should help a lot. Put on a negative offset if possible, around -.15 or -.2 volts. 

 

Prime95 is an unrealistic load. It's better to see if you are getting reasonable temps in something like a game. 

the only thing im worried about with a second fan at the same time is that i dont have a second server fan, so im worried a normal fan would be over-revved by the server fan which would damage stuff, i will definitely try reversing the tower in addition to the 1.4 voltage

[IBM_THINKPAD_R51]

Thanks to everyone who replied, turns out the fact that PBO was pushing 1.5V was the problem, now with a prime95 run and limiting the voltage to 1.35 the cpu boosts to 4.3Ghz most of the time and the temps are about 80 degrees

[TPCEA]

On 7/29/2024 at 8:44 PM, Fasauceome said:

Do you have something like a Corsair 120mm fan to throw on this thing?

You do realize that this is so vague as to be useless, given that some of their 120s are crappy?

On 7/29/2024 at 8:44 PM, Fasauceome said:

Yes, dropping the voltage below 1.4 should help a lot. Put on a negative offset if possible, around -.15 or -.2 volts. 

Definitely a good idea to UV.  

On 7/29/2024 at 8:44 PM, Fasauceome said:

Prime95 is an unrealistic load. It's better to see if you are getting reasonable temps in something like a game. 

Unrealistic but it shows us how poorly the 212 handled the heat.

On 7/29/2024 at 10:21 PM, IBM_THINKPAD_R51 said:

Thanks to everyone who replied, turns out the fact that PBO was pushing 1.5V was the problem, now with a prime95 run and limiting the voltage to 1.35 the cpu boosts to 4.3Ghz most of the time and the temps are about 80 degrees

I'm glad UV helped.  It usually does. 

On 7/29/2024 at 8:47 PM, IBM_THINKPAD_R51 said:

the only thing im worried about with a second fan at the same time is that i dont have a second server fan, so im worried a normal fan would be over-revved by the server fan which would damage stuff, i will definitely try reversing the tower in addition to the 1.4 voltage

A fan can't be over-revved unless it's defective...

[freeagent]

That cooler looks ok, but it’s still a 212. I have one too, except the gaps between the pipes are horrendous. You can stick a 120x38 on it and it won’t change much. The cooler is junk nowadays.

[IBM_THINKPAD_R51]

I kinda hate how AMD listed the cpu as a 65W cpu when with PBO it would be 130 anyway....
the story behind this PC is that i already had a computer, an HP Z820 workstation dual xeon,

But i wanted my gaming PC to be separate, so i bought my friends old system that is what i now use besides me upgrading the ram and going from the 1070 to a 3070
he custom built it and chose the cooler based off the TDP i mentioned before. IG he just didnt notice his temps because the games he runs are pretty light

[TPCEA]

32 minutes ago, IBM_THINKPAD_R51 said:

I kinda hate how AMD listed the cpu as a 65W cpu when with PBO it would be 130 anyway....
the story behind this PC is that i already had a computer, an HP Z820 workstation dual xeon,

But i wanted my gaming PC to be separate, so i bought my friends old system that is what i now use besides me upgrading the ram and going from the 1070 to a 3070
he custom built it and chose the cooler based off the TDP i mentioned before. IG he just didnt notice his temps because the games he runs are pretty light

The listed TDP is based on normal specs, not PBOd, which is unfortunate. 

[Blue4130]

18 hours ago, IBM_THINKPAD_R51 said:

I kinda hate how AMD listed the cpu as a 65W cpu when with PBO it would be 130 anyway....
the story behind this PC is that i already had a computer, an HP Z820 workstation dual xeon,

But i wanted my gaming PC to be separate, so i bought my friends old system that is what i now use besides me upgrading the ram and going from the 1070 to a 3070
he custom built it and chose the cooler based off the TDP i mentioned before. IG he just didnt notice his temps because the games he runs are pretty light

Yea, That isn't just AMD. Intel does that as well.