New ITX build 5600 shoots to 70 degrees in bios. 83 in game

[filpo]

After doing all the installations and updates I tried rocket league to see how it performs and my frames are good (max settings it gets 240, about what I got before but before was higher cuz I had an under volt on the gpu and cpu)

 

im using the stock cooler on my 5600 for easiness but I do have a 280 arctic liquid freezer ii, however I’m skeptical that it’ll fit. I tried without anything in it and it didn’t seem like it would. I can try tho

 

back to temps, in bios I get 65 to 70 degrees with the fan speed on full and in game with a very light load on the cpu I get 83 degrees. I tried a fur mark and my gpu temps were fine but the cpu shot up to 95 at 30% usage and it crashed short after (I haven’t done a cinebench yet but I can) 

anyone got any advice? There aren’t any fans in the system apart from those on the components and I can add about three case fans without moving much (two on the side, one possibly at the bottom. One can go up top but it’ll be difficult). Pic below of in game temp and usage (fps is at 120 because I capped it to that manually to get a lower gpu usage and temp, also my tv’s only 60) 

[will0hlep]

2 minutes ago, filpo said:

back to temps, in bios I get 65 to 70 degrees with the fan speed on full and in game with a very light load on the cpu I get 83 degrees. I tried a fur mark and my gpu temps were fine but the cpu shot up to 95 at 30% usage and it crashed short after (I haven’t done a cinebench yet but I can)

 

anyone got any advice?

have you tried reseating the cooler?

[filpo]

3 minutes ago, will0hlep said:

have you tried reseating the cooler?

Nope, I’ll do that now and also add a case fan noctua nf-12 pointing at the stock wraith cooler

Edited February 22 by filpo
Changed p12 to noctua my-p12

[porina]

From Zen 2 onwards they really cut down on the bundled cooler size. I'd only consider them basically usable. If you want better temps and performance that comes with it, slap a better cooler on.

 

If you don't have case airflow, that will help somewhat. At a minimum, a single exhaust at the back would be my preference.

[filpo]

Just now, porina said:

At a minimum, a single exhaust at the back would be my preference.

Not really possible in the nr200p. Haven’t got a 92mm fan but I can add a top exhaust. I’m trying what @will0hlep said just after it shuts down. I’ll update with what happens. Specs are in sig apart from case, mobo and psu. Case is nr200p, mobo is itx b550 and cooler is stock. Psu is an nzxt from a h1

[porina]

3 minutes ago, filpo said:

Not really possible in the nr200p. Haven’t got a 92mm fan but I can add a top exhaust.

Didn't realise it was a SFF build. It looks like it has top mounts, so exhaust there would be my pick. Basically do something to prevent static air around the CPU cooler. Good luck with the remount.

[Somerandomtechyboi]

Wraith stealth is dogshit

 

If you wanna use a stock cooler atleast a wraith prism cause those coolers are pretty damn beefy

[filpo]

29 minutes ago, filpo said:

Nope, I’ll do that now and also add a case fan noctua nf-12 pointing at the stock wraith cooler

 

28 minutes ago, porina said:

From Zen 2 onwards they really cut down on the bundled cooler size. I'd only consider them basically usable. If you want better temps and performance that comes with it, slap a better cooler on.

 

If you don't have case airflow, that will help somewhat. At a minimum, a single exhaust at the back would be my preference.

sorry for replying late. Cinebench wouldn’t open two times

Just as a heads up here’s the thermal paste application , I can add a bit more as I have a bit of nt-h1 lying around

new fan installed too. Pointing at the stock cooler 

I’ve also adjusted the fan curve of the case fan to how I wanted it. Doesn’t seem to be too loud

 

temp in bios have gone down to 61 with the fan in silent mode, changing fan curve now

32 minutes ago, will0hlep said:

have you tried reseating the cooler

btw temps just in the desktop have dropped significantly to 50

ill try a cinebench 2024 once it's downloaded

10 minutes ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

Wraith stealth is dogshit

 

If you wanna use a stock cooler atleast a wraith prism cause those coolers are pretty damn beefy

noted. I’ll probably try and put my 280 liquid freezer ii in over a few days. It’ll be a squeeze but it should fit

[podkall]

28 minutes ago, filpo said:

im using the stock cooler on my 5600

stock cooler stuff, here's my teamps during the R23 Cinebench render on my 5600: (I have AG400 cooler)

 

I did have an open window and it's quite chilly outside so the temps would normally be hitting 60C on some

 

also I'd be little bit mindful of that almost 1cm squared empty gap of thermal paste

[filpo]

Just now, podkall said:

also I'd be little bit mindful of that almost 1cm squared empty gap of thermal paste

the one in the pic in the post above? I was wondering, is that where the cores are? then that'd make more sense as to why it was happening. temps have gone down but i haven't tried a stress test yet (cinebench 2024 just downloaded, will update)

[podkall]

3 minutes ago, filpo said:

the one in the pic in the post above? I was wondering, is that where the cores are? then that'd make more sense as to why it was happening. temps have gone down but i haven't tried a stress test yet (cinebench 2024 just downloaded, will update)

cores are in middle ish region, but since the metal above them that you can see conducts heat and spreads it on itself, you conduct less heat from the CPU because the heat transfer on the non-thermal pasted area will be slower

 

at least I think, otherwise you know what the TJmax is like you're far from having issues at 80C while gaming unless it keeps climbing to 90C and throttles the CPU's clocks..

[filpo]

3 minutes ago, podkall said:

cores are in middle ish region, but since the metal above them that you can see conducts heat and spreads it on itself, you conduct less heat from the CPU because the heat transfer on the non-thermal pasted area will be slower

 

at least I think, otherwise you know what the TJmax is like you're far from having issues at 80C while gaming unless it keeps climbing to 90C and throttles the CPU's clocks..

 

34 minutes ago, porina said:

Didn't realise it was a SFF build. It looks like it has top mounts, so exhaust there would be my pick. Basically do something to prevent static air around the CPU cooler. Good luck with the remount.

 

46 minutes ago, will0hlep said:

have you tried reseating the cooler?

after just opening cinebench i get 85 degrees, haven't started the test

 

during cinebench I get 90 degrees and my score is 516

 

 

the score seems to be about 130 points below what it's supposed to be so I'll try undervolting the cpu

[will0hlep]

32 minutes ago, filpo said:

Just as a heads up here’s the thermal paste application , I can add a bit more as I have a bit of nt-h1 lying around

new fan installed too. Pointing at the stock cooler

Yeah, a touch more thermal paste here would be good. The cores might not actually be on that side, but any extra thermal bandwidth you can give the stock cooler will help a ton.

[filpo]

5 minutes ago, will0hlep said:

Yeah, a touch more thermal paste here would be good. The cores might not actually be on that side, but any extra thermal bandwidth you can give the stock cooler will help a ton.

 

29 minutes ago, podkall said:

cores are in middle ish region, but since the metal above them that you can see conducts heat and spreads it on itself, you conduct less heat from the CPU because the heat transfer on the non-thermal pasted area will be slower

 

at least I think, otherwise you know what the TJmax is like you're far from having issues at 80C while gaming unless it keeps climbing to 90C and throttles the CPU's clocks..

 

47 minutes ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

Wraith stealth is dogshit

 

If you wanna use a stock cooler atleast a wraith prism cause those coolers are pretty damn beefy

 

56 minutes ago, porina said:

Didn't realise it was a SFF build. It looks like it has top mounts, so exhaust there would be my pick. Basically do something to prevent static air around the CPU cooler. Good luck with the remount.

sorry to quote everyone again  but I think the topic's solved. I'm getting about 60 in game and I think we're reaching the limitations of the stock wraith stealth cooler. I'll add the LF2 tomorrow if need be but I'm happy with the temps now

 

Thanks to all of you!

[podkall]

3 minutes ago, filpo said:

sorry to quote everyone again  but I think the topic's solved. I'm getting about 60 in game and I think we're reaching the limitations of the stock wraith stealth cooler. I'll add the LF2 tomorrow if need be but I'm happy with the temps now

 

Thanks to all of you!

np bro, I can understand your concern about electronics working properly, I have that myself too

 

you probably remember that Cinebench is all core and thread load while game is like 1-2 cores maybe 4 on some of them

[filpo]

@porina @Somerandomtechyboi @podkall @will0hlep 

sorry to ping you all like this but I just wanted to say the problem is more than fixed. It took some trying but the AIO is in. Temps on startup are at ~35 and under full load they don’t break 50, just like my old build

 

thanks for the help everyone! (Pics below)