Can I trust Tp-Link routers ?

[Winterlight]

I think get Tp-Link AXE75 it's 3 band support Wifi 6E and price is really good just 179€ but I'm not sure if can trust this router due they are China company I'm bit suspicious about it. 

[PowerPCFan]

Just now, Winterlight said:

I think get Tp-Link AXE75 it's 3 band support Wifi 6E and price is really good just 179€ but I'm not sure if can trust this router due they are China company I'm bit suspicious about it. 

Yes you can trust them. 

[Winterlight]

Btw I'm not sure if they care about security updates regularly or they just release product and forget and it never get any security/bug fix.

[PowerPCFan]

1 minute ago, Winterlight said:

Btw I'm not sure if they care about security updates regularly or they just release product and forget and it never get any security/bug fix.

Sorry not sure about that

[Dedayog]

5 minutes ago, Winterlight said:

Btw I'm not sure if they care about security updates regularly or they just release product and forget and it never get any security/bug fix.

Are you always this conspiracy theory focused?

 

They're a big player in the networking space.  They're reputable and reliable.

 

 

[Average Nerd]

8 minutes ago, Winterlight said:

Btw I'm not sure if they care about security updates regularly or they just release product and forget and it never get any security/bug fix.

They do (care about security/updates).

13 minutes ago, Winterlight said:

due they are China company I'm bit suspicious about it.

Not every "China company" is unreliable, as others have said, they're a big company in the networking market.

In my experience they're quite reliable.

[Winterlight]

Just now, Average Nerd said:

They do (care about security/updates).

Not every "China company" is unreliable, as others have said, they're a big company in the networking market.

In my experience they're quite reliable.

Yea but look in Huawei, ZTE they are baned in most EU and USA.

[Dedayog]

Just now, Winterlight said:

Yea but look in Huawei, ZTE they are baned in most EU and USA.

Is TP Link banned?

[Winterlight]

4 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

Is TP Link banned?

Yet no but they are China company same as Huawei and ZTE. Huawei actually in past made very decent phones for example and they are big company but get banned.

Actually I used Huawei phone about 4 year before they get ban from Android service.

[Average Nerd]

Just now, Winterlight said:

Yea but look in Huawei, ZTE they are baned in most EU and USA.

I can tell you that TP link isn't banned (in the EU, don't know about USA), and I know a lot of people who own TP link products (including myself) and have never had any serious issues.

 

[Dedayog]

3 minutes ago, Winterlight said:

Yet no but they are China company same as Huawei and ZTE. Huawei actually in past made very decent phones for example and they are big company but get banned.

Actually I used Huawei phone about 4 year before they get ban from Android service.

Well then don't use TP Link cuz they MAY turn on us at some point in the future.  Good call.

 

/smh

[ieleja]

8 minutes ago, Winterlight said:

Huawei, ZTE they are baned in most EU and USA

I think, they are banned in mobile network operators infrastructure building, not consumer markets.

 

But yes, it not so "conspiracy theory", because "better safe than sorry"...

[Dedayog]

4 minutes ago, ieleja said:

I think, they are banned in mobile network operators infrastructure building, not consumer markets.

 

But yes, it not so "conspiracy theory", because "better safe than sorry"...

Well then we can't trust any Chinese company?  or anything made in China even, cuz they may modify or alter it before it gets to us?  

 

Asking if they're legit is one thing, then asking if they do updates/fixes just is looking for things.  

[WereCat]

If I say yes, will you trust me? 

[NobleGamer]

1 hour ago, Winterlight said:

Yet no but they are China company same as Huawei and ZTE. Huawei actually in past made very decent phones for example and they are big company but get banned.

Actually I used Huawei phone about 4 year before they get ban from Android service.

 

1 hour ago, Dedayog said:

Well then we can't trust any Chinese company?  or anything made in China even, cuz they may modify or alter it before it gets to us?  

 

Asking if they're legit is one thing, then asking if they do updates/fixes just is looking for things.  

Its more like there's a trust issue upstream with government's handling of technology based on laws in that country, as it "require companies to cooperate unconditionally with the Chinese Communist Party’s security apparatus in order to 'guarantee state security.'”

 

To elaborate on the US State Department's investigation of China's tech giants and what their government can and does ask of them (emphases are mine):

 

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Huawei officials have claimed publicly that Chinese law gives the “government” no authority to do things such as compel a firm to install cyber “back doors” in software code or hardware architectures, or to install “listening devices” in equipment.  But even if you put aside that company’s cute rhetorical sleight-of-hand in making this claim – since, technically speaking, the supreme authority in China is not the “government” but rather the Communist Party – this claim is simply untrue.  Multiple Chinese laws, in fact, require companies to cooperate unconditionally with the Chinese Communist Party’s security apparatus in order to “guarantee state security.”  The National Intelligence Law, for instance, requires all entities in China to cooperate with its intelligence services, and covers both private companies and state-owned enterprises.  Analogous provisions exist in China’s National Security Law, Counter-Terrorism Law, and Cybersecurity Law.

 

Accordingly, if a Chinese technology giant has access to your technology, your information, or your networks and the Party comes asking, the only answer the company can give is “Yes.”  This is, unfortunately, a fact of life in the high-technology police state that is the modern PRC.  If the U.S. government, by contrast, asked Google or Facebook for all of their user information, we would almost certainly be challenged by lawsuits – rightfully so given our respect for privacy and rule of law.

 

Nor is this merely a hypothetical concern, for across the malignant ecosystem of China’s technologized authoritarianism there is a deep record of cooperation and collaboration between companies such as Huawei, ZTE, Alibaba, Tencent, and Baidu and the state security bureaucracy.

 

Even speaking only about Huawei, that company has partnerships with the PLA, the Ministry of State Security, and military research institutes of Chinese state-owned enterprises, and it has lied about these ties and denied knowledge that its employees support joint research projects undertaken with such organizations.

 

1 hour ago, ieleja said:

I think, they are banned in mobile network operators infrastructure building, not consumer markets.

 

But yes, it not so "conspiracy theory", because "better safe than sorry"...

 

The nuance is that not all China based companies have partnerships with their country's ministries or military, and not all of them receive & handle requests from their government.

If they did, the reality is that:

• Nobody would have to know about it
• The companies do not have the same recourse as north american companies to fight it or say "no."

[Winterlight]

What about this ?
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/consumers-beware-malicious-firmware-implant-tp-link-routers-holloway

[Dedayog]

5 minutes ago, Winterlight said:

What about this ?
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/consumers-beware-malicious-firmware-implant-tp-link-routers-holloway

Read the article.  It's not TP Link being the issue, it was a Chinese sponsored group that hacked the routers.

 

If we use that logic, since China has hacked everything from US power grids to wifi microwaves... we are soooo fucked.

 

Critical thinking is key here.  Nothing is safe, everything is hackable.  Live life, cuz China doesn't give two shits about your anime obsession or freaky porn downloads.

[voyager_]

3 hours ago, PowerPCFan said:

Yes you can trust them. 

That's exactly what an a Chinese Spy would say. 

[voyager_]

If you have this big on an issue with Tp-Link then don't use them, it's that simple. Tp-Link has been around for as long as I can remember and makes good products. You can google any company and find this sort of garbage and misinformation but at the end of the day where do you think all your stuff is coming from?  

[Winterlight]

11 minutes ago, voyager_ said:

If you have this big on an issue with Tp-Link then don't use them, it's that simple. Tp-Link has been around for as long as I can remember and makes good products. You can google any company and find this sort of garbage and misinformation but at the end of the day where do you think all your stuff is coming from?  

Yes they have good price. I looked other brand Wi-Fi 6E and price start at ~300€ for lowest tier Wi-Fi 6E router. Like Asus router they have high price and incomplete software that miss a lot features. I really miss feature in Asus router that allow me isolate each device all what I can do just isolate Wi-Fi bands but there is no isolate option just for certain device.

[PowerPCFan]

52 minutes ago, voyager_ said:

That's exactly what an a Chinese Spy would say. 

I promise I'm not lol

[Alex Atkin UK]

20 hours ago, Winterlight said:

Yea but look in Huawei, ZTE they are baned in most EU and USA.

If you're that concerned, try to find a model with OpenWRT support.

[LAwLz]

23 hours ago, Winterlight said:

can trust this router due they are China company

Do you know what the word is for someone who shows prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism against someone based on the country they come from?

 

 

 

23 hours ago, Winterlight said:

Btw I'm not sure if they care about security updates regularly or they just release product and forget and it never get any security/bug fix.

It seems like they have released multiple updates to that particular router. Consumer stuff can sometimes be quite lacking when it comes to updates, but this is not really exclusive to TP-Link.

From what I can tell they don't seem any worse than others though.

 

 

 

23 hours ago, Winterlight said:

Yea but look in Huawei, ZTE they are baned in most EU and USA.

Yes, but not TP-Link, so I am not sure what your point is.

Threads (the Facebook Twitter-clone) wasn't available in Europe because it didn't comply with some data privacy laws. Does that mean all US companies are bad? Just because one company from one country is banned does not mean all companies from that country are banned.

 

Also, I have always been very skeptical of the Huawei ban. It seems like it was mostly Trump pushing for it to put pressure on China economically. When the UK did their investigation they didn't find any security issues, but once they said that the US threatened to kick the UK out of several partnerships if they didn't also ban Huawei.

To me it seemed more like the US trying to hinder Huawei from becoming too big and taking market share away from US companies, rather than it being about security.

 

 

 

21 hours ago, NobleGamer said:

Its more like there's a trust issue upstream with government's handling of technology based on laws in that country, as it "require companies to cooperate unconditionally with the Chinese Communist Party’s security apparatus in order to 'guarantee state security.'”

The same can be said about the US. Have people forgotten about all the stuff Edward Snowden exposed?

The US is just more sneaky about it.

[FlyingPotato_is_taken]

TP-Link router ping every few minutes Facebook, Netflix and some other company server. This "feature" can't be disabled. 

Do I still buy TP-Link? No.

[whispous]

Only a security reasearcher who has done a lengthy, in depth investigation can tell you for certain... about almost EVERY brand of consumer router!