Help me choose

[podkall]

7 minutes ago, venomtail said:

Still pretty bad. 4060 with slow ram. We don't even know what sort of case it is nor motherboard. For all we know they could be shaving fat margins and give you a mATX motherboard in some cheapo ATX case. On PCPartPicker for RAM, storage, PSU, Case, Cooler we've got a fat $600 budget. For gaming I'm pretty sure the 7600 and 13700F are neck and neck. I'd just keep the $100 saving then.

I mean it depends, Intel's better for multi-thread applications and use cases, but if the budget allowed 7600, then that would be off for a better longevity,

 

as far as ibuypower, on their website specs it reads the exact case on the picture (-internals might look different), and B650 motherboard with wifi

 

4060 isn't great but the options are either 4060 or 3060 with prebuilts, unless you go with like 7600 XT and 5600 or Intel equivelant CPU

 

6 minutes ago, venomtail said:

Outdated stereotype that wasn't true to begin with. Your prebuild is gonna come with bloatware regardless if intel or AMD, because it's a prebuild.

 

In 2024? AMD is top dog as Intel struggles to keep up and is starting to play dirty, falling back to their tricks that made CPU's stagnate to begin with.

actually ibuypower doesn't put on bloatware, I know I sound like an ibuypower fan, but I've recently seen GN review on it - so that's where my knowledge comes from

 

btw,

@BallzDeep  what resolution do you play on 1080p, 1440p, 4K, and do you play diversity of videogames or a more narrow scope of specific games for example competitive multiplayer or single-player story-games or newest of Starfield/Cyberpunk AAA there is?

[emosun]

8 minutes ago, BallzDeep said:

Amd just has a bunch of bloat ware attached to them.  If you need 5 programs to run your cpu and monitor it. To me that just a huge headache 

x86 cpus dont require monitoring programs so is there maybe something else you were referring to?

[BallzDeep]

12 minutes ago, venomtail said:

Where is 7600? I only see choice of 2 Intel systems. Neither that great.

I was building a pc on new egg but will cost more somehow lol 

This is what i manged to make. But still feel its very outdated .  Even at 1300$ all in.

 

This whole building a computer thing is to complicated these days. To know whats last years tech. Whats garbage. What isnt garbage. Where to get the most bang for your buck. 

Just a bunch of nonsense honestly and makes it harder to *updrage* when there isnt a clear path to right and wrong. 

 

 

[venomtail]

1 minute ago, BallzDeep said:

I was building a pc on new egg but will cost more somehow lol 

This is what i manged to make. But still feel its very outdated .  Even at 1300$ all in.

 

This whole building a computer thing is to complicated these days. To know whats last years tech. Whats garbage. What isnt garbage. Where to get the most bang for your buck. 

Just a bunch of nonsense honestly and makes it harder to *updrage* when there isnt a clear path to right and wrong. 

 

 

We'll it's partly costing you more than the prebuild is because you're buying multiple parts twice over. Buying parts you're not gonna use doesn't help keeping within a budget.

[podkall]

almost 200$ from that list is just Windows 11, which is free to download on Microsoft website for iso/installation USB tool, and the only thing you'd need then is the 20$ish code from a website, unless the W11 just works from the installation tool

 

another 20-40ish$ could be saved on cooler maybe

 

1 minute ago, venomtail said:

We'll it's partly costing you more than the prebuild is because you're buying multiple parts twice over. Buying parts you're not gonna use doesn't help keeping within a budget.

that includes cooler paste, SSD heatsink, and

[venomtail]

3 minutes ago, podkall said:

that includes cooler paste, SSD heatsink, and

...and the extra fan and the gucci case with extra fans that he wouldn't need cause he already chose and AIO that comes with free fans...

Not sure if CPU would work on a motherboard newer than itself so he'd need to buy another CPU (that's twice now) so that it works with the motherboard.

[BallzDeep]

19 minutes ago, venomtail said:

Outdated stereotype that wasn't true to begin with. Your prebuild is gonna come with bloatware regardless if intel or AMD, because it's a prebuild.

 

In 2024? AMD is top dog as Intel struggles to keep up and is starting to play dirty, falling back to their tricks that made CPU's stagnate to begin with.

 

How is building and maintaining an Intel system different from AMD?

What are these mystical features that only Intel has that you can't live without because nobody else has them. Curious.

Well i mostly say that because AVX2 is faster on Intel chips than AMD. I know you guys are gonna be all like well you should use your gpu for that anyways. 

 

Im just skeptical about AMD. 

I had a ryzen 3 once for about a month fixing for a friend that was having issuies with his registry.  Always seemed to have one problem after the other. 

so has pushed me away from this AMD hype

Intel had been around longer than AMD. 

You can say are wrose but from personal experience and of others around me. Is not the case with AMD. 

 

 

[BallzDeep]

11 minutes ago, venomtail said:

...and the extra fan and the gucci case with extra fans that he wouldn't need cause he already chose and AIO that comes with free fans...

Not sure if CPU would work on a motherboard newer than itself so he'd need to buy another CPU (that's twice now) so that it works with the motherboard.

The same exact parts are sold on build redux for the same motheboard and processor. So they do work togeather 

[podkall]

3 minutes ago, BallzDeep said:

Well i mostly say that because AVX2 is faster on Intel chips than AMD. I know you guys are gonna be all like well you should use your gpu for that anyways. 

 

Im just skeptical about AMD. 

I had a ryzen 3 once for about a month fixing for a friend that was having issuies with his registry.  Always seemed to have one problem after the other. 

so has pushed me away from this AMD hype

Intel had been around longer than AMD. 

You can say are wrose but from personal experience and of others around me. Is not the case with AMD. 

 

 

and what do you need AVX2 for?

 

what's the use case besides gaming? and what resolution do you play on? is it 1080p 1440p or 4K? the resolution is important believe it or not

[BallzDeep]

16 minutes ago, venomtail said:

...and the extra fan and the gucci case with extra fans that he wouldn't need cause he already chose and AIO that comes with free fans...

Not sure if CPU would work on a motherboard newer than itself so he'd need to buy another CPU (that's twice now) so that it works with the motherboard.

The extra fan was for the back of the case as it doesn't have one.  Figured it would help the flow of the air? 

All pc i see with aio has a rear fan, front fans, and fans on the rad. 

So im just sticking with what seems the standard for pc cooling 

[BallzDeep]

5 minutes ago, podkall said:

and what do you need AVX2 for?

 

what's the use case besides gaming? and what resolution do you play on? is it 1080p 1440p or 4K? the resolution is important believe it or not

Idk   whatever my tv is. Says its 4k if the sticker is to be belived on it.

I let the game choose optimal settings for me i dont really fuss about OCing or what refreshrate i have or what i play in. 

 

Just want to play on a computer that can atleast keep up with my steam deck preferably better than steam deck 

[BallzDeep]

4 minutes ago, BallzDeep said:

Idk   whatever my tv is. Says its 4k if the sticker is to be belived on it.

I let the game choose optimal settings for me i dont really fuss about OCing or what refreshrate i have or what i play in. 

 

Just want to play on a computer that can atleast keep up with my steam deck preferably better than steam deck 

Avx2 will allow me to copy files much faster than standard avx. 

Almost what 10x as fast? 

 

[podkall]

7 minutes ago, BallzDeep said:

The extra fan was for the back of the case as it doesn't have one.  Figured it would help the flow of the air? 

All pc i see with aio has a rear fan, front fans, and fans on the rad. 

So im just sticking with what seems the standard for pc cooling 

some builds barely need a single fan, and even some mid-range to low-higher end builds just need a good airflow capable case and singular fan

 

6 minutes ago, BallzDeep said:

Idk   whatever my tv is. Says its 4k if the sticker is to be belived on it 

for gaming at resolutions at 1440p and 4K, the CPU still matters but not as much as GPU

 

so if you really are 4K you could get away with like 150$ CPU and get a better GPU, and if you're only for gaming, because my next question:

 

2 minutes ago, BallzDeep said:

Avx2 will allow me to copy files much faster than standard avx. 

Almost what 10x as fast? 

 

why do you need to copy files fast? and how slow is slow? because there's no CPU in current generations that are too slow at their job, at least gaming CPUs and better

[BallzDeep]

1 minute ago, podkall said:

some builds barely need a single fan, and even some mid-range to low-higher end builds just need a good airflow capable case and singular fan

 

for gaming at resolutions at 1440p and 4K, the CPU still matters but not as much as GPU

 

so if you really are 4K you could get away with like 150$ CPU and get a better GPU, and if you're only for gaming, because my next question:

 

why do you need to copy files fast? and how slow is slow? because there's no CPU in current generations that are too slow at their job, at least gaming CPUs and better

My current cpu takes about 20mins to move 30gb of data from it. I do realise this could be my ssd speed also. 

 

But i have work files i transpher back and forth from pc to external hardrive. 

Some are over 100gb and they take almost 2 hours to move. 

Was hoping a new pc would fix this issuie 

 

 

[podkall]

3 minutes ago, BallzDeep said:

My current cpu takes about 20mins to move 30gb of data from it. I do realise this could be my ssd speed also. 

 

But i have work files i transpher back and forth from pc to external hardrive. 

Some are over 100gb and they take almost 2 hours to move. 

Was hoping a new pc would fix this issuie 

 

 

new PC might fix the issue, but the PC's speed is entirely tied to the speed at which the external drive is capable of receiving the data, it might help though

 

let me tell you this, make another New Builds and Planning post, and insert the details behind the pre-made template the post makes, at least the first 3 bulletpoints

[PC HEROES]

59 minutes ago, podkall said:

why X?

When I was putting together the list the X version seemed to be cheaper for some reason. I could be wrong.

[BallzDeep]

41 minutes ago, podkall said:

almost 200$ from that list is just Windows 11, which is free to download on Microsoft website for iso/installation USB tool, and the only thing you'd need then is the 20$ish code from a website, unless the W11 just works from the installation tool

 

another 20-40ish$ could be saved on cooler maybe

 

that includes cooler paste, SSD heatsink, and

Why wouldnt i use to paste? Im not sticking the cooler on dry and i have other eletronics that need is. Ps4,xboxes. So isnt a waste to me. 

And id like to keep my ssd cool. And not over heating when being used to almost max

[podkall]

3 minutes ago, PC HEROES said:

When I was putting together the list the X version seemed to be cheaper for some reason. I could be wrong.

the nonX is always cheaper unless the X is on dicount

 

3 minutes ago, BallzDeep said:

Why wouldnt i use to paste? Im not sticking the cooler on dry and i have other eletronics that need is. Ps4,xboxes. So isnt a waste to me. 

And id like to keep my ssd cool. And not over heating when being used to almost max

yeah welcome to future, 90% of CPU coolers should come with either pre-applied thermal paste, or a small packet with the paste inside

 

when I upgraded my CPU few months ago, I had the packet, and stock coolers have pre-applied paste, at least 99,9% of them should

[PC HEROES]

9 minutes ago, BallzDeep said:

My current cpu takes about 20mins to move 30gb of data from it. I do realise this could be my ssd speed also. 

 

But i have work files i transpher back and forth from pc to external hardrive. 

Some are over 100gb and they take almost 2 hours to move. 

Was hoping a new pc would fix this issuie 

 

 

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CPU: Intel Core i5-12400F 2.5 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($144.00 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Assassin King SE ARGB 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler  ($19.29 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI PRO B760-P WIFI DDR4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($159.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Silicon Power XPOWER Zenith RGB Gaming 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  ($69.98 @ Amazon)
Storage: Silicon Power UD90 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($107.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI RTX 3060 Ventus 3X 12G OC GeForce RTX 3060 12GB 12 GB Video Card  ($299.99 @ Newegg)
Case: MSI MAG FORGE 112R ATX Mid Tower Case  ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: MSI MAG A750GL PCIE5 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($99.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $991.22

[BallzDeep]

Just now, podkall said:

the nonX is always cheaper unless the X is on dicount

 

yeah welcome to future, 90% of CPU coolers should come with either pre-applied thermal paste, or a small packet with the paste inside

 

when I upgraded my CPU few months ago, I had the packet, and stock coolers have pre-applied paste, at least 99,9% of them should

I would never use supplied thermal paste thats a overheat waiting to happen 

[Somerandomtechyboi]

1 hour ago, BallzDeep said:

When i try to update to windows 10 it tells me that my processor isnt supported.

xeon 12 core LGA not sure the exact number.

Liquid cooled 

16 gb ddr3 3200, 

Gtx 960 ssc kingpin 

4tb storage ssd Ran in raid. 

Send a pic of the specs

 

Judging by the peculiar thread count thats problably x58 or x79 based, but likely the latter

 

And you are certainly not running 3200 ddr3 unless your board has been swapped for a gigabyte, foxconn, dfi, or whatever other board that allows 1:1 uncore memclk, and you are not running an x or e xeon that is locked to 10x ram multi

 

Spoiler

Heres 3136 ddr3 as a reference on my x58a ud3r

 

If you are running 3200 ddr3 itd be detected as 1600mhz in cpuz, for 1600 ddr3 which is what i suspect you are actually running cpuz will detect it as 800mhz

 

 

As for windows 10 update i think youll have to clean install, you can test out windows 10 by creating a new 40gb partition with disk management before going ahead and overwriting your w7 to clean install w10

 

Or you can just buy a new 1tb sata ssd for 30-40$ and install w10 on that if you want to preserve your w7 install for whatever reason

[PC HEROES]

1 minute ago, podkall said:

the nonX is always cheaper unless the X is on dicount

 

yeah welcome to future, 90% of CPU coolers should come with either pre-applied thermal paste, or a small packet with the paste inside

 

when I upgraded my CPU few months ago, I had the packet, and stock coolers have pre-applied paste, at least 99,9% of them should

I just now saw that, I forgot to click on low to high price.

[podkall]

Just now, BallzDeep said:

I would never use supplied thermal paste thats a overheat waiting to happen 

my pre-packed paste I applied is still working and my CPU is running nice and cool even during all core/thread Cinebench load

[BallzDeep]

Just now, podkall said:

my pre-packed paste I applied is still working and my CPU is running nice and cool even during all core/thread 

amazing   it would always be lingering in my head. I should have used good paste. Ill never get over it

 

Just no idea where the paste comes from or what its made of, from those pre packs atleast the tube has published ingredient they use and ypu know its not just some elephant tallow bleached white..

 

So idk feels safer bet to me.

Really would like to use k5 but the price for the small ammout ill use just idk cant stomach it 

[BallzDeep]

7 minutes ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

Send a pic of the specs

 

Judging by the peculiar thread count thats problably x58 or x79 based, but likely the latter

 

And you are certainly not running 3200 ddr3 unless your board has been swapped for a gigabyte, foxconn, dfi, or whatever other board that allows 1:1 uncore memclk, and you are not running an x or e xeon that is locked to 10x ram multi

 

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Heres 3136 ddr3 as a reference on my x58a ud3r

 

If you are running 3200 ddr3 itd be detected as 1600mhz in cpuz, for 1600 ddr3 which is what i suspect you are actually running cpuz will detect it as 800mhz

 

 

As for windows 10 update i think youll have to clean install, you can test out windows 10 by creating a new 40gb partition with disk management before going ahead and overwriting your w7 to clean install w10

 

Or you can just buy a new 1tb sata ssd for 30-40$ and install w10 on that if you want to preserve your w7 install for whatever reason

I will show you my old system specs when i get home. Windows tells me when i try to install my cpu isnt supported by this version of windows.

Somthing about chipsets.