Is a 1080ti Still good in 2023?

[Drvulcanlord]

I have a system I been building out of older free parts. Currently have an i7 4790 (non-k) and a craptastic Radeon HD 7850 2 gig that bottlenecks the crap out of the 4790. I have some leads on 1080tis and am wondering if that card still holds up reasonably well today. 

[Fasauceome]

Currently using a Titan Xp, which is basically a fancy 1080 TI. Still holds up, pascal in general has aged super well.

[Tan3l6]

For your CPU it's probably optimal card, the 1080 Ti. Though the combination does not run latest games at high fps.

[BiotechBen]

I've got a plain 1080 matched to a 2600X and it runs great. Don't expect 4k Ultra 120fps gaming on AAA titles though. 

[Drvulcanlord]

5 minutes ago, Fasauceome said:

Currently using a Titan Xp, which is basically a fancy 1080 TI. Still holds up, pascal in general has aged super well.

Good to know! Do you know of a reasonable price to pay for a 1080ti

[Drvulcanlord]

Just now, BiotechBen said:

I've got a plain 1080 matched to a 2600X and it runs great. Don't expect 4k Ultra 120fps gaming on AAA titles though. 

That’s fine.

 

1 minute ago, BiotechBen said:

I've got a plain 1080 matched to a 2600X and it runs great. Don't expect 4k Ultra 120fps gaming on AAA titles though. 

 

[8tg]

1 minute ago, Drvulcanlord said:

Good to know! Do you know of a reasonable price to pay for a 1080ti

About $150 to $180 for better models. Check eBay sold listings to get a general idea of what they go for.

Sometimes you can get the blower cooler ones for under $150

[Fasauceome]

3 minutes ago, Drvulcanlord said:

Good to know! Do you know of a reasonable price to pay for a 1080ti

nowadays you could expect to pay around 200 USD for one with a decent cooler (I don't recommend a blower model)

[Drvulcanlord]

1 minute ago, 8tg said:

About $150 to $180 for better models. Check eBay sold listings to get a general idea of what they go for.

Sometimes you can get the blower cooler ones for under $150

That’s about my budget right now so that sounds good. Thanks.

[8tg]

9 minutes ago, Fasauceome said:

Currently using a Titan Xp, which is basically a fancy 1080 TI. Still holds up, pascal in general has aged super well.

This as well, you can actually get Titan Xp’s or Titan X Pascals for pretty cheap and they’re a solid option for the extra vram.

Titan X Pascals have a dvi port, to differentiate the two. A Titan Xp is faster but it’s not a huge difference. Sometimes you can find a Titan Xp for around $200 and that’s actually pretty good value for what it is, being a bit faster than the 1080ti and having 12gb of vram.

[Drvulcanlord]

1 minute ago, 8tg said:

This as well, you can actually get Titan Xp’s or Titan X Pascals for pretty cheap and they’re a solid option for the extra vram.

Titan X Pascals have a dvi port, to differentiate the two. A Titan Xp is faster but it’s not a huge difference. Sometimes you can find a Titan Xp for around $200 and that’s actually pretty good value for what it is, being a bit faster than the 1080ti and having 12gb of vram.

Good to know.

[tikker]

Mine is holding up great. Just keep your expectations in check and don't expect 120 FPS at max settings in the latest AAA titles. When buying you may want to consider something more recent though, considering the fact that it is already 6 years old now and depending on how much you value having e.g. tensor cores available.

[Somerandomtechyboi]

Still a good card even today and usually pretty decently priced

 

Kinda hard to beat if you find it at ~150$ since the cards that you can buy for that price used (5700xt and 6600xt) are 8gb vram cards and seem to perform the same or a tiny bit better, but less vram than the 1080ti

 

Next thing up would be a 6700xt or 3070 which are problably around ~200$ used and the latter only has 8gb of vram

 

 

53 minutes ago, Drvulcanlord said:

Radeon HD 7850 2 gig that bottlenecks the crap out of the 4790

And you can probs sell this for abit of cash, maybe its still worth somewhere around 15-20$

 

55 minutes ago, Drvulcanlord said:

i7 4790

Can be locked to 4ghz on allcores with an older microcode, problably something similar to haswell-e xeon turbo unlock mods

 

 

If you happen to use a z87/97 board or whatever board that allows for bclk you can also do a little bclk oc, average cpus should do 105-108

 

Combined with turbo unlock mod you go from 3.8 allcore -> 4.2 allcore in the worst case scenario that the cpu is a meh chip that wont do much past 105 bclk

 

Also for z boards you can oc the rams too and high clocking chips like hynix mfr/bfr are very common and you may already have them without even knowing it, 3200-3600 looks to be ideal and within haswell imc capabilities but basically anything is better than slow jedec speeds, even if you are unlucky and have crap samsung ics thatll do only 2400 ddr3, pretty easy performance gain by lazy setting some voltages, ram freq, and primaries

[Drvulcanlord]

1 hour ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

Still a good card even today and usually pretty decently priced

 

Kinda hard to beat if you find it at ~150$ since the cards that you can buy for that price used (5700xt and 6600xt) are 8gb vram cards and seem to perform the same or a tiny bit better, but less vram than the 1080ti

 

Next thing up would be a 6700xt or 3070 which are problably around ~200$ used and the latter only has 8gb of vram

 

 

And you can probs sell this for abit of cash, maybe its still worth somewhere around 15-20$

 

Can be locked to 4ghz on allcores with an older microcode, problably something similar to haswell-e xeon turbo unlock mods

 

 

If you happen to use a z87/97 board or whatever board that allows for bclk you can also do a little bclk oc, average cpus should do 105-108

 

Combined with turbo unlock mod you go from 3.8 allcore -> 4.2 allcore in the worst case scenario that the cpu is a meh chip that wont do much past 105 bclk

 

Also for z boards you can oc the rams too and high clocking chips like hynix mfr/bfr are very common and you may already have them without even knowing it, 3200-3600 looks to be ideal and within haswell imc capabilities but basically anything is better than slow jedec speeds, even if you are unlucky and have crap samsung ics thatll do only 2400 ddr3, pretty easy performance gain by lazy setting some voltages, ram freq, and primaries

I have a z97-c board from asus. My ram is pretty old stuff and I’m not sure what the chips are. But I’ll look in to the 4ghz lock mod, it does turbo up to 4 ghz pretty frequently on its own. I might look into some good overclockable ram if I can get a good deal on it. I will probably just put my old gpu into my server, I’m a bit of a component hoarder.

[Mick Naughty]

Cpu is gonna struggle in everything before the card is the limitation. 
Good for solo play, wouldnt do online unless is something matching the gen of the cpu, like bf4. Stuff around there.

[Somerandomtechyboi]

9 hours ago, Drvulcanlord said:

I have a z97-c board from asus. My ram is pretty old stuff and I’m not sure what the chips are. But I’ll look in to the 4ghz lock mod, it does turbo up to 4 ghz pretty frequently on its own. I might look into some good overclockable ram if I can get a good deal on it. I will probably just put my old gpu into my server, I’m a bit of a component hoarder.

In that case you can screw around with bclk and ram oc

 

As for the rams just send a pic of your current rams but if they have heatspreaders just send a screenie of thaiphoon burner, dont think youll need new ones assuming youve already got decent ics

 

Spoiler

Heres 3136 ddr3 on some generic 1333 samsung sticks, cherry picked ics cause i ordered the part number m378b2873gb0 samsung 1gbit g die to guarantee this particular ic, these sticks should do ~3600 when i get a better cpu or some lighter sticks cause my i7 930 has completely topped out and refuses to scale anymore with extra vtt (vtt at 1.775v and negatively scales if i go higher than that)

 

If you dont have any rams or wanna upgrade capacity anyways dont bother buying high binned ddr3 xmp sticks cause theyre all problably hynix bfr/mfr anyways which you can get really cheap off oem hynix sticks and theyll still clock 3600+

 

also for black pcb fake hynix sticks youll have to manually check the ics (visually inspect them) as the label is complete bullshit, so if possible stick to the usual green or blue pcb hynix sticks and avoid the black ones just so you can cherry pick the ics easier

 

plastic heatspreader xmp sticks are not preferrable due to high prices and you usually cant guarantee the ics you are gonna get, sure they usually have better pcbs but that doesnt really matter anyways except for double sided dual rank sticks at 3200+ or you are trying to hit well over 4000 ddr3, for the former you may hit this limit but im unsure as to how far double sided oems clock due to not having any particularly high clocking double sided rams atm, all i have is some double sided hynix cfrs that top out at 2800c11 2.1v for stability

[Drvulcanlord]

12 hours ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

In that case you can screw around with bclk and ram oc

 

As for the rams just send a pic of your current rams but if they have heatspreaders just send a screenie of thaiphoon burner, dont think youll need new ones assuming youve already got decent ics

 

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Heres 3136 ddr3 on some generic 1333 samsung sticks, cherry picked ics cause i ordered the part number m378b2873gb0 samsung 1gbit g die to guarantee this particular ic, these sticks should do ~3600 when i get a better cpu or some lighter sticks cause my i7 930 has completely topped out and refuses to scale anymore with extra vtt (vtt at 1.775v and negatively scales if i go higher than that)

 

If you dont have any rams or wanna upgrade capacity anyways dont bother buying high binned ddr3 xmp sticks cause theyre all problably hynix bfr/mfr anyways which you can get really cheap off oem hynix sticks and theyll still clock 3600+

 

also for black pcb fake hynix sticks youll have to manually check the ics (visually inspect them) as the label is complete bullshit, so if possible stick to the usual green or blue pcb hynix sticks and avoid the black ones just so you can cherry pick the ics easier

 

plastic heatspreader xmp sticks are not preferrable due to high prices and you usually cant guarantee the ics you are gonna get, sure they usually have better pcbs but that doesnt really matter anyways except for double sided dual rank sticks at 3200+ or you are trying to hit well over 4000 ddr3, for the former you may hit this limit but im unsure as to how far double sided oems clock due to not having any particularly high clocking double sided rams atm, all i have is some double sided hynix cfrs that top out at 2800c11 2.1v for stability

I have these kingston kits of ram. As well as this Hynix kit. Would the Hynix kit be my better bet? I don’t have any heat spreaders.

[Somerandomtechyboi]

54 minutes ago, Drvulcanlord said:

I have these kingston kits of ram. As well as this Hynix kit. Would the Hynix kit be my better bet?

The 2 left kingston and hynix kits are matching (hynix 2gbit cfr)

 

Same presumably goes for the 2 right kits due to their ic sizes being the same (hynix 2gbit bfr)

 

 

Spoiler

Heres my experience with some double sided cfr

 

2800c11 at 2.1v though they previously did 11-14-13 at 2.06v but seems to have degraded due to running 2.3-2.5v while screwing around with trying to get 3000 stable

 

Trfc at ~120 for this speed but likely able to run lower trfc if tcl is reduced and some voltage is given to lower trfc (trfc hardwall at 100 and refuses to run lower than 100trfc)

Likely worse than 2gbit samsung d die

Likely to benifit from c12-14 freq wise

Scales to around 2v but diminishes alot after 2v

Wouldnt reccomend running much over 2v due to ic degradation and diminishing returns

 

Reckon you can get >3000 stable at c12 but doesnt help that you have 4 sticks which may limit oc capability

 

 

I have no data on 2gbit bfr as i dont have any but id appreciate if you could help me do some testing with it so i dont have to buy any for myself cause i already have a few other ics i wanna screw around with (mainly 1gbit and 2gbit bfr/dfr), if its decent and capable of 3200+ i may go and buy some for myself cause the highest ive gotten so far is 3136 with some samsung gdie but thats maxing out my i7 930 imc (only scales to 1.775v vtt) whilst my pscs can do 3200+ with that same imc at only 1.7v or even 1.6v vtt just that my pscs are trash bin and wont boot into windows at those speeds, so a lighter ic that can clock high is something im looking for

 

Should be as simple as setting vccsa/io, vdimm, and the primaries for frequency validation

 

Who knows if the 2gbit bfr is better than cfr, cause ive already seen hynix cfrs capabilities for myself and i gotta say that theyre just mid ics

 

And im curious if you have any other rams aside from those hynix cfr and bfr kits

 

 

Edit

One of these cheap pci debug cards usually marketed as pc analyzers will be extremely helpful for ram oc as you can immedeatly tell if it has failed to post (stuck on a postcode before anytthing displays on screen)

 

it will cut down time spent on resetting when you get a bad oc setting in half and gives extra info on what you may need to increase like vdimm vccsa/io even vcore or maybe an indication of hitting the imc, mobo, or ram limit cause the postcodes all mean something

 

If you cant find one or theyre stupid overpriced (usually they sell for 3-5$)

Mobo speakers are also a good alternative

 

Not as good as a pci debug card that gives you a postcode but itll still cut your resetting times in half cause youll know instantly when it has failed post and you can press the reset button or power cycle (turn psu on and off) to recover

[Dedayog]

On 12/30/2023 at 12:43 PM, Drvulcanlord said:

I have a system I been building out of older free parts. Currently have an i7 4790 (non-k) and a craptastic Radeon HD 7850 2 gig that bottlenecks the crap out of the 4790. I have some leads on 1080tis and am wondering if that card still holds up reasonably well today. 

What does it mean to have some leads on 1080tis?  Do you know some underground dealer we don't?

 

Should be able to get one for $125 or less on eBay or other marketplaces.

 

It's a great card still but your cpu isn't on par with it.  

[Drvulcanlord]

2 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

What does it mean to have some leads on 1080tis?  Do you know some underground dealer we don't?

 

Should be able to get one for $125 or less on eBay or other marketplaces.

 

It's a great card still but your cpu isn't on par with it.  

No Lol I just have a friend who may or may not be selling one he is done with. It all depends on wither or not he can get an upgrade card.

[Drvulcanlord]

22 minutes ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

The 2 left kingston and hynix kits are matching (hynix 2gbit cfr)

 

Same presumably goes for the 2 right kits due to their ic sizes being the same (hynix 2gbit bfr

Yes they are kits as far as I know.

 

23 minutes ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

Trfc at ~120 for this speed but likely able to run lower trfc if tcl is reduced and some voltage is given to lower trfc (trfc hardwall at 100 and refuses to run lower than 100trfc)

Likely worse than 2gbit samsung d die

Likely to benifit from c12-14 freq wise

Scales to around 2v but diminishes alot after 2v

Wouldnt reccomend running much over 2v due to ic degradation and diminishing returns

Good to know

 

23 minutes ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

I have no data on 2gbit bfr as i dont have any but id appreciate if you could help me do some testing with it so i dont have to buy any for myself cause i already have a few other ics i wanna screw around with (mainly 1gbit and 2gbit bfr/dfr), if its decent and capable of 3200+ i may go and buy some for myself cause the highest ive gotten so far is 3136 with some samsung gdie but thats maxing out my i7 930 imc (only scales to 1.775v vtt) whilst my pscs can do 3200+ with that same imc at only 1.7v or even 1.6v vtt just that my pscs are trash bin and wont boot into windows at those speeds, so a lighter ic that can clock high is something im looking for

 

Should be as simple as setting vccsa/io, vdimm, and the primaries for frequency validation

 

Who knows if the 2gbit bfr is better than cfr, cause ive already seen hynix cfrs capabilities for myself and i gotta say that theyre just mid ics

 

And im curious if you have any other rams aside from those hynix cfr and bfr kits

I'll do some testing and see what they can do and let you know but be warned I haven't really dived much into overclocking. As for other kits this is about all i have available. If you have any more advice for overclocking it would be welcome. Thank you for the help.

[Somerandomtechyboi]

Just now, Drvulcanlord said:

I'll do some testing and see what they can do and let you know but be warned I haven't really dived much into overclocking. As for other kits this is about all i have available. If you have any more advice for overclocking it would be welcome. Thank you for the help.

ill help directly with the testing

 

it is a pretty simple process but thats because i already have my own algorithm of sorts for trying to get max ram freq

 

ill go look around on the internet for the bios layout (mainly the ai tweaker menu alongside its submenus) and some info regarding imc voltages and ill give some settings to test out

 

Cfr will be used as the comparison as i already have experience with it

Testing will be done with 2 sticks on the grey slots

 

 

For hynix cfr settings try 2800 12-14-15 vdimm at 1.8-2v trfc at 120, dunno if itll work with auto imc volts (vccsa/io) but you might aswell try it

[Somerandomtechyboi]

Looking around on the internet theres only z97 deluxe bios which should be close enough but yea send some screenshots here for the entire ai tweaker menu and its submenus

 

Seems like theres no vccio (analog/digital i/o) voltage setting for asus bioses so set vccsa to 1.2v for now and you can raise it later when neccesary

 

 

For hynix bfr try the same settings for hynix cfr and see if it works

If it doesnt work set trfc to auto and try lowering and raising vdimm 1.6-whatever mobo max vdimm

[Drvulcanlord]

4 minutes ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

Looking around on the internet theres only z97 deluxe bios which should be close enough but yea send some screenshots here for the entire ai tweaker menu and its submenus

 

Seems like theres no vccio (analog/digital i/o) voltage setting for asus bioses so set vccsa to 1.2v for now and you can raise it later when neccesary

 

 

For hynix bfr try the same settings for hynix cfr and see if it works

If it doesnt work set trfc to auto and try lowering and raising vdimm 1.6-whatever mobo max vdimm

 

[Drvulcanlord]

5 minutes ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

Looking around on the internet theres only z97 deluxe bios which should be close enough but yea send some screenshots here for the entire ai tweaker menu and its submenus

 

Seems like theres no vccio (analog/digital i/o) voltage setting for asus bioses so set vccsa to 1.2v for now and you can raise it later when neccesary

 

 

For hynix bfr try the same settings for hynix cfr and see if it works

If it doesnt work set trfc to auto and try lowering and raising vdimm 1.6-whatever mobo max vdimm