plz help me on cpu overclocking

[EzioWar]

Hi, my cpu i5-4670k,cpu cooler-Hyper 212X , gpu - Asrock rx 7800xt challenger oc, mobo- gigabyte z87x-ud3h, bios version F10b, corsair ram 4x4gb @1600 mhz dual channel, Crucia MX 500 500gb ssd,

My cpu is like 10 years old. never tried overclocking before. But now to reduce my gpu's bottleneck a bit, i'm trying to overclock my cpu. I used 1.220v vcore and used 42 ratio for turboboost for all 4 cores. Should i use fixed ratio instead disabling turboboost so that my cpu allways run on 4.2 ghz? Though i did not wanted to run my cpu on max frequency constantly. but i'm getting whea uncorrectable error and clock watchdog timeout BSOD either during starting of my pc or just after starting it. are those errors cpu overclocking related? plz help me on cpu overclocking.

Also should i decrease my ram freq to 1330mhz for stability? currently it's on 1600mhz(stock) dual channel on 1.5v with xmp on.

Edited November 19, 2023 by EzioWar

[RONOTHAN##]

18 minutes ago, EzioWar said:

are those errors cpu overclocking related?

Yes. 

 

So on most boards, in order to overclock you do need to leave Turbo Boost enabled, though IIRC some Gigabyte boards do let you turn it off. It doesn't really matter, though, leaving it on is fine. 

 

1.22V for a 4670K is fairly low, pretty sure with mine I was regularly running 1.4V+, though admittedly I was also going for 4.7GHz on a better cooler than a Hyper 212. Still, if you're chip isn't particularly great you might have to raise the voltage to get it stable at 4.2GHz. 

[Somerandomtechyboi]

You really should upgrade, not that expensive either since used ryzen 3600(x) are 50-60$ or 5600(x) for 80-100$, and used b3/450 are around 50$, ram isnt that expensive either as a new 2x16 kit is 50$ and you can likely find cheaper rams used especially if theyre oem green pcbs that are really low bin (<2666), simply lazy overclock to ~3800

 

 

As for your cpu set vcore to 1.35v, llc off, set ratio to 46 on all cores, save exit bios, then for stresstest just hammer it with prime95 smallest ffts

 

keep raising freq and volt till the garbage stock TIM under the ihs becomes the limiting factor cause then youd have to delid which is actually a piece of cake since you just need a very thin razor from one of those generic shaving tools to cut the adhesive on the ihs, once cut itll just pop off, just clean off the garbage stock TIM and replace with liquid metal, then reseal with whatever silicone based adhesive like gasket maker or builders silicon or whatnot

 

Thats about it for cpu oc as there isnt much else to mess with aside from bclk strap but idk if that does anything for cpu oc

 

 

Haswell has a very good imc so id also reccomend overclocking the rams as its very easy to get high freq ddr3 running

 

send a thaiphoon burner screenshot, a picture of the label on the rams, and a photo that looks between the heatsinks

Spoiler

 

Example pic cause i am shit at explaining)

About 2400 ish should be bare minimum but id hope for 2800-3200 since haswell can do well over 3000 ddr3 though that 4x4 config might be an issue since you may run into boardlimit (board cant clock high with 4 sticks)

 

If its hynixes then the ics should be good for 3000+ cause even 4gbit afr and bfr should still do 3000+, mfr will do 3600+

 

If its samsung then yea dont get your hopes up for much past 2400 ddr3 unless you have double sided 2gbit d dies but then you hit an imc limit anyways, good performance though due to tight subs

 

 

For max voltages

Vcore = vccsa = vccio = ~1.45v

 

Vdimm is determined by the ram so skys the limit anyways till you hit a scaling wall where it dont scale anymore, but you can keep volt around 1.6-1.8v for a mere ~3000 ddr3 with 4gbit hynixes

 

Think those are all the volts youll need to screw around with

 

I dont have any experience with haswell oc just yet but that should change soon as ive found a good deal on a z87m extreme4, most of my oc experience atleast ddr3 wise is on x58 but cpu oc should be mostly the same for newer platforms that are purely multiplier based, just not too familiar with ram oc related volts on haswell

Spoiler

 

And yes ive already breached the 3000 barrier and it was pretty damn easy with the right ic, also stabilized 2800 on some double sided cfrs, seems like nehalem imc is abit worse than westmere and that seems to be abit worse or somewhat comparable to haswell so if i can hit these speeds on x58 then im sure youll be able to hit these speeds on haswell, atleast on 2 sticks if the board is not good at clocking 4 sticks (my board has a shit 3rd channel so cant do proper triple channel testing at high freq)

[EzioWar]

2 hours ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

You really should upgrade, not that expensive either since used ryzen 3600(x) are 50-60$ or 5600(x) for 80-100$, and used b3/450 are around 50$, ram isnt that expensive either as a new 2x16 kit is 50$ and you can likely find cheaper rams used especially if theyre oem green pcbs that are really low bin (<2666), simply lazy overclock to ~3800

 

 

As for your cpu set vcore to 1.35v, llc off, set ratio to 46 on all cores, save exit bios, then for stresstest just hammer it with prime95 smallest ffts

 

keep raising freq and volt till the garbage stock TIM under the ihs becomes the limiting factor cause then youd have to delid which is actually a piece of cake since you just need a very thin razor from one of those generic shaving tools to cut the adhesive on the ihs, once cut itll just pop off, just clean off the garbage stock TIM and replace with liquid metal, then reseal with whatever silicone based adhesive like gasket maker or builders silicon or whatnot

 

Thats about it for cpu oc as there isnt much else to mess with aside from bclk strap but idk if that does anything for cpu oc

 

 

Haswell has a very good imc so id also reccomend overclocking the rams as its very easy to get high freq ddr3 running

 

send a thaiphoon burner screenshot, a picture of the label on the rams, and a photo that looks between the heatsinks

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Example pic cause i am shit at explaining)

About 2400 ish should be bare minimum but id hope for 2800-3200 since haswell can do well over 3000 ddr3 though that 4x4 config might be an issue since you may run into boardlimit (board cant clock high with 4 sticks)

 

If its hynixes then the ics should be good for 3000+ cause even 4gbit afr and bfr should still do 3000+, mfr will do 3600+

 

If its samsung then yea dont get your hopes up for much past 2400 ddr3 unless you have double sided 2gbit d dies but then you hit an imc limit anyways, good performance though due to tight subs

 

 

For max voltages

Vcore = vccsa = vccio = ~1.45v

 

Vdimm is determined by the ram so skys the limit anyways till you hit a scaling wall where it dont scale anymore, but you can keep volt around 1.6-1.8v for a mere ~3000 ddr3 with 4gbit hynixes

 

Think those are all the volts youll need to screw around with

 

I dont have any experience with haswell oc just yet but that should change soon as ive found a good deal on a z87m extreme4, most of my oc experience atleast ddr3 wise is on x58 but cpu oc should be mostly the same for newer platforms that are purely multiplier based, just not too familiar with ram oc related volts on haswell

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And yes ive already breached the 3000 barrier and it was pretty damn easy with the right ic, also stabilized 2800 on some double sided cfrs, seems like nehalem imc is abit worse than westmere and that seems to be abit worse or somewhat comparable to haswell so if i can hit these speeds on x58 then im sure youll be able to hit these speeds on haswell, atleast on 2 sticks if the board is not good at clocking 4 sticks (my board has a shit 3rd channel so cant do proper triple channel testing at high freq)

Tyvm . Much appreciated. My rams are 4gb Corsair Vengeance CMZ4GX3M1A1600C9. currently it's on 1600mhz(stock) dual channel on 1.5v with xmp on.

[Somerandomtechyboi]

24 minutes ago, EzioWar said:

Tyvm . Much appreciated. My rams are 4gb Corsair Vengeance CMZ4GX3M1A1600C9. currently it's on 1600mhz(stock) dual channel on 1.5v with xmp on.

Atleast send a thaiphoon burner screenie to determine ic and/or a pic of the version number on the ram sticks

 

Btw is this a proper 4x4 kit or is this two 2x4 kits mixed together?

[EzioWar]

28 minutes ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

Atleast send a thaiphoon burner screenie to determine ic and/or a pic of the version number on the ram sticks

 

Btw is this a proper 4x4 kit or is this two 2x4 kits mixed together?

2x4 kits mixed together. i downloaded  thaiphoon burner but it has virus

[Somerandomtechyboi]

27 minutes ago, EzioWar said:

2x4 kits mixed together. i downloaded  thaiphoon burner but it has virus

You sure you are downloading from the official site?

 

http://softnology.biz/files.html

Heres the download link, idk whats the diff between freeware and shareware but id go with the former

 

Since its 2 kits mix matched together send 4 screenshots of each stick to determine ic

 

Shouldnt be too bad if its just diff revisions since all the hynix 4gbit ics can do 3000+ and samsung 4gbit ics are all pretty mid anyways, but mix matching hynix and samsung will definitely be a roadblock for oc since the samsungs will be the main limiter for oc, even worse if you got microns, not only do you have to run 2v+ to get them to run at any decent speed, theyre pretty shit at clocking aswell (ask me how i know)

[EzioWar]

40 minutes ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

You sure you are downloading from the official site?

 

http://softnology.biz/files.html

Heres the download link, idk whats the diff between freeware and shareware but id go with the former

 

Since its 2 kits mix matched together send 4 screenshots of each stick to determine ic

 

Shouldnt be too bad if its just diff revisions since all the hynix 4gbit ics can do 3000+ and samsung 4gbit ics are all pretty mid anyways, but mix matching hynix and samsung will definitely be a roadblock for oc since the samsungs will be the main limiter for oc, even worse if you got microns, not only do you have to run 2v+ to get them to run at any decent speed, theyre pretty shit at clocking aswell (ask me how i know)

all my kits areCorsair Vengeance CMZ4GX3M1A1600C9 though.

[Somerandomtechyboi]

2 hours ago, EzioWar said:

all my kits areCorsair Vengeance CMZ4GX3M1A1600C9 though.

Doesnt matter

If the ics are garbage itll clock like garbage

 

I mean i got 3100 max with some generic 1gb samsung sticks (m378b2873gb0 1gbit g die) and probs can go further if it werent for my i7 930 hitting an imc limit

 

Heres a reference for timings

Seems like 4gbit hynixes should be able to do ~3000 12-14-15 at ~1.65v, in that case theres no real reason to go much past 1.8v since cl doesnt do shit for performance and i dont think trfc on these scale with volt, wouldnt reccomend running >2.2v vdimm for daily judging by my hynix cfr since it seems to have slightly degraded while truing to get 3000 stable at 2.3-2.5v, but newer boards are pathetic and dont allow any real degradation voltages most of the time (>2v), though ill have to do some actual degradation testing to get an accurate max daily volt reccomendation and its definitely not <2v

 

Havent bothered clocking 4gbit samsung yet but think ill give it a shot anyways with my 2 sticks laying around, dont think ill see much past 2400 though which is pretty slow

 

 

If you cant be bothered to check ics just chuck some lazy freq timings like 12-14-15, cmd 2t, everything else auto, then see how far you get freq wise

 

For voltages apparently +0.1 vccsa/io is a good starting point so id stick around the +0.1-0.2v range, max ~1.45v for daily

 

Vdimm youll just have to see if it scales or not, youll know theyre hynixes if they dont need extra voltage >2400, starting point id say 1.6v, max voltage skys the limit aka however much your mobo allows (probs only 2-2.2v at most)

[EzioWar]

6 hours ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

Doesnt matter

If the ics are garbage itll clock like garbage

 

I mean i got 3100 max with some generic 1gb samsung sticks (m378b2873gb0 1gbit g die) and probs can go further if it werent for my i7 930 hitting an imc limit

 

Heres a reference for timings

Seems like 4gbit hynixes should be able to do ~3000 12-14-15 at ~1.65v, in that case theres no real reason to go much past 1.8v since cl doesnt do shit for performance and i dont think trfc on these scale with volt, wouldnt reccomend running >2.2v vdimm for daily judging by my hynix cfr since it seems to have slightly degraded while truing to get 3000 stable at 2.3-2.5v, but newer boards are pathetic and dont allow any real degradation voltages most of the time (>2v), though ill have to do some actual degradation testing to get an accurate max daily volt reccomendation and its definitely not <2v

 

Havent bothered clocking 4gbit samsung yet but think ill give it a shot anyways with my 2 sticks laying around, dont think ill see much past 2400 though which is pretty slow

 

 

If you cant be bothered to check ics just chuck some lazy freq timings like 12-14-15, cmd 2t, everything else auto, then see how far you get freq wise

 

For voltages apparently +0.1 vccsa/io is a good starting point so id stick around the +0.1-0.2v range, max ~1.45v for daily

 

Vdimm youll just have to see if it scales or not, youll know theyre hynixes if they dont need extra voltage >2400, starting point id say 1.6v, max voltage skys the limit aka however much your mobo allows (probs only 2-2.2v at most)

[Somerandomtechyboi]

3 hours ago, EzioWar said:

According to Reddit thats 2gbit nanyas which is pretty apparent by the stick being double sided

 

Yea i have absolutely no clue as to how nanya ddr3 clock but someone seems to have tested that particular ram and it couldnt hit 2400 which is pretty depressing

 

Welp this is exactly why i dont buy generic heatspreader rams cause they come with random ics and they have a price markup, but atleast with corsair you can just ask for a pic of the label to know what particular ic incase it happens to be a good one since non oem bare pcbs tend to have better pcbs which doesnt really matter till you start hitting higher clocks (quite abit past 3000 ddr3)

 

What about the second kit of ram? Id assume that has a diff version number so maybe its something thatll actually clock

[EzioWar]

Hi, between  Cinebench and aida64(both latest version) which one better and safer for system stability testing for CPU overclocking? also how long running is good enough for Cinebench and aida64? I'm trying to raise frequency of my CPU and also raise  voltage if needed.

[Dedayog]

I use Prime95 small ffts for CPU testing.  An hour is more than enough time, as stability is really more dependent on what you use the CPU for rather than a synthetic test.

 

 

[GuiltySpark_]

Depends, what are you testing? Cinebench isn't going to do squat for Ryzen PBO undervolting stability, for instance. 

[EzioWar]

6 minutes ago, GuiltySpark_ said:

Depends, what are you testing? Cinebench isn't going to do squat for Ryzen PBO undervolting stability, for instance. 

I'm trying to raise frequency of my CPU and also raise  voltage if needed.

 

[EzioWar]

Hi, my cpu i5-4670k,cpu cooler-Hyper 212X , gpu - Asrock rx 7800xt challenger oc, mobo- gigabyte z87x-ud3h, bios version F10b, psu corsair cs650m, corsair ram 4x4gb @1600 mhz dual channel, Crucia MX 500 500gb ssd,windows10,

my boot sequence is as follows- 1) windows boot manager (P0: CT50   2) dvd drive    3) My SSD where OS is installed

is this boot sequence correct or should i change anything?

I want to overclock my CPU, please review my bios settings if those are properly set - 

[Somerandomtechyboi]

If they are working now then theyll work when you start overclocking cause overclocking doesnt really affect those other settings

[Levent]

None of the settings you listed have any relevance for overclockcing.

[EzioWar]

31 minutes ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

If they are working now then theyll work when you start overclocking cause overclocking doesnt really affect those other settings

 

20 minutes ago, Levent said:

None of the settings you listed have any relevance for overclockcing.

Ty, is this boot sequence correct or should i change anything?

[Somerandomtechyboi]

1 hour ago, EzioWar said:

 

Ty, is this boot sequence correct or should i change anything?

Nope

Just overclock away since those settings dont do anything to your overclock nor are they affected by it

 

Id reccomend aiming for ~4.8ghz

As for the rams running them at 2133 is still better than 1600 even though both are really slow

[EzioWar]

 hi, my mobo - gigabyte  z87x-ud3h. does clearing cmos deletes all saved profiles in bios?

[Levent]

On gigabyte boards, from my own experience, yes.

[Average Nerd]

24 minutes ago, EzioWar said:

 hi, does clearing cmos deletes all saved profiles in bios?

Usually everything that isn´t factory will be erased/set to factory values.

[Kilrah]

On my Asus/Asrock boards they stay. I still tend to back them up to USB first.

[EzioWar]

2 hours ago, Levent said:

On gigabyte boards, from my own experience, yes.

 

1 hour ago, Kilrah said:

On my Asus/Asrock boards they stay. I still tend to back them up to USB first.

my mobo - gigabyte  z87x-ud3h.