I9 9900k with 7900xtx

[TDVEX]

Hi all, 

Im in a doubting situation when it comes to upgrading my old GPU. 

Currently i have this build;

- I9 9900K

- GiBy Z390 Aorus Master
- 3200-16 Vengeance (4x8gb)
- MB520 case 
- GTX 1660 - non TI
- Corsair RM850X 850w

- 1 x1440p monitor and 1x 4k monitor 

Fans and NVme are not relavant for now.
1440p games i wanna play with +/- 100fps (more shooting games)
4k games i wanna play with +60 fps (more singeplayer / scenic games)

I've saved some money (budget) for a new GPU around $1.000. So i was thinking, looking at the benchmarks, to upgrade for a 7900xtx.
Unfortunately i really read a lot of mixed comments. I sum them up down; 

- My board only has 3.0 pci so its a waste of my money

- my 9900k will bottleneck the potential of the gpu 

- everything is fine, you can buy every card what you want in your budget

- .. 

So right now im a bit confused tbh. Ofcourse i dont wanna pay $1.000 for something that will only preform at 70%
But im also doubting if i would reallly see the differences when it comes to bottlenecks.

I'm not planning of buying/building a whole new build unless you guys can really convince me that thats the only way to be future proof. 

please help.

[Shimejii]

9900k max GPU is around a 3070/3080. Anything beyond that requires an upgrade. 

 

Top tier GPU's require up to date hardware. 

[ChrisLoudon]

34 minutes ago, TDVEX said:

I'm not planning of buying/building a whole new build unless you guys can really convince me that thats the only way to be future proof. 

I run my 9900k with a 3080ti and don't have any issues (at least as far as I can tell).

 

My girlfriend is currently playing Cyberpunk on that system with the following high level settings:

 

1440p

Medium RT

DLSS Quality

All other settings to max

 

She's getting anywhere between 60 and 90fps

 

We're not into fast paced FPS shooters so not sure what that system would do with a MW3 or something similar but I suspect I'd get over 100fps @ 1440p.

 

My tendency is to keep hold of a CPU until the bitter end. As you can see from my sig I still use 8700 / 8086k systems and while they're not my main gaming rigs, I do use them for 1080p / 1440p gaming and rarely run into issues (I do pick my games though)

 

42 minutes ago, TDVEX said:

My board only has 3.0 pci so its a waste of my money

Not really. I think a quick Google will show that even the highest end GPUs don't get close to saturating PCIe levels of bandwidth.

 

43 minutes ago, TDVEX said:

my 9900k will bottleneck the potential of the gpu 

Maybe a little but only if your pushing high FPS at lower resolutions like 1080p. The higher the resolution for more GPU bound you get. This is purely personal preference but since I'm more of an eye candy kinda guy and happy to game at anything between 60 and 120fps then I'm usually a happy guy.

 

44 minutes ago, TDVEX said:

everything is fine, you can buy every card what you want in your budget

Kinda - see previous answer.

 

As a note to any Nae-sayers, I did for $hits and Giggles pop my 4090 into my 9900k rig when I first got it just to see how it performed and yes, the uplift from the 9900k to a 13600k was more than just a few fps but that margin shrank significantly the moment I turned on RT and set things to 4k max.

 

 

[Somerandomtechyboi]

13 minutes ago, ChrisLoudon said:

As a note to any Nae-sayers, I did for $hits and Giggles pop my 4090 into my 9900k rig when I first got it just to see how it performed and yes, the uplift from the 9900k to a 13600k was more than just a few fps but that margin shrank significantly the moment I turned on RT and set things to 4k max.

Fps isnt the only quality to a gpu, theres also the details you can run at

 

Essentially cpu acts more like an fps limiter so as long as you arent shootibg for high fps youll still get a better experience since you can run higher quality settings

[ChrisLoudon]

3 minutes ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

Fps isnt the only quality to a gpu, theres also the details you can run at

 

Essentially cpu acts more like an fps limiter so as long as you arent shootibg for high fps youll still get a better experience since you can run higher quality settings

Agreed.

 

It all comes down to what kinda games you play. As I said, I prioritise eye candy over fps so happy to crank the settings at the cost of fps so I never really run into a CPU roadblock (at least as far as I can tell). As long as I keep the fps over 60 then I'm happy and if I can get up to my TVs limit of 120 then I'm very happy.

[Lukjo]

1 hour ago, Shimejii said:

9900k max GPU is around a 3070/3080. Anything beyond that requires an upgrade. 

 

Top tier GPU's require up to date hardware. 

This man doesn't know what he is talking about

As long as ur gaming on 1440p / 4k (preffered) then ur 9900k wont bottleneck ur GPU, if u were to upgrade from 9900k to a newer ryzen or intel u would only see a 10%-15% uplift (maybe even less)

PCIe 3 dosent even get saturated by current gen GPUs (maybe the 4090? but the bottleneck would be minimal)

So yeah if u have the money,go for a 7900XTX, but just a warning

Switching from a Nvidia to a AMD card might prove tricky-er with windows.

I have changed from Nvidia to AMD (3070 to 6950xt ) and my 1st DDU attempt was not so succesfull, the card was very unstable with a lot of hiccups and stutters, had to run DDU again and its good now (altough not perfect) so i would mostly recommend a fresh install

[TDVEX]

So basicily what im reading is that it really depends on what kind of games i play ofcourse 

What if i told you guys that im not into games like CSGO or Call or Duty or any type of shooting games like that. But more into HZD, GoW, Starfield, OW2, RDR2, GTA

Based on my type of playing, the 7900xtx will give me enough fps (+/-60) on 4k max settings? Even with this CPU and MoBo? 

[Tegneren]

13 minutes ago, TDVEX said:

Based on my type of playing, the 7900xtx will give me enough fps (+/-60) on 4k max settings? Even with this CPU and MoBo?

basically, yes. The higher the resolution and eye candy the less impact from the CPU as the load is shifted to the GPU

[TDVEX]

1 minute ago, Tegneren said:

basically, yes. The higher the resolution and eye candy the less impact from the CPU as the load is shifted to the GPU

Thats a simple formula; i dont know why i didnt read that somewhere before on google, cheers mate

[Shimejii]

9 minutes ago, Lukjo said:

This man doesn't know what he is talking about

As long as ur gaming on 1440p / 4k (preffered) then ur 9900k wont bottleneck ur GPU, if u were to upgrade from 9900k to a newer ryzen or intel u would only see a 10%-15% uplift (maybe even less)

PCIe 3 dosent even get saturated by current gen GPUs (maybe the 4090? but the bottleneck would be minimal)

So yeah if u have the money,go for a 7900XTX, but just a warning

Switching from a Nvidia to a AMD card might prove tricky-er with windows.

I have changed from Nvidia to AMD (3070 to 6950xt ) and my 1st DDU attempt was not so succesfull, the card was very unstable with a lot of hiccups and stutters, had to run DDU again and its good now (altough not perfect) so i would mostly recommend a fresh install

i do indeed know what i am talking about  Have you had to troubleshoot and fix other peoples systems due to upgrades? Have you had any experience with frametime issues on the 4090/7900XTX on the older hardware? No? Then dont claim something like that because it makes you look like a flat out fool.

 

Its going to cause stutters and issues on high framerate games (usually over 140fps) even at 4k. It will cause issues in the long run that will be fixed by upgrading to more modern hardware like a 13600k, you dont need a 13900k. Or 7700x if you want AMD.

 

Its not an issue of PCIE saturation, its not an issue of intel vs amd. High end hardware requires high end hardware to properly run it. Can you run it with a 9900k? Sure, but when you start having the stuttering issues like many people on here have had like @Hinjima and they fixed that by upgrading to more modern hardware. I know what im talking about because ive helped people FIX those very issues that have been on here, multiple times.

 

Does it suck that just 3 gens of hardware needs replacing (10th and 11th gen are the same just tweaked, 12th, 13th and 14th are the same just tweaked) ? Yes, but when you are shopping at the VERY highest of hardware, you pretty much have to be prepared to pay up that part as well. 

 

Remember most of the time its not purely an FPS issue, the 9900k can do its job fine, its the other issues that will plague it and cause issues in the games that are not purely avg framerate, its the 1% and .1% lows, its framepacing, and as Intel has put it GPU READY graphs. 

 

9900k Will do fine up to about a 3070/3080. It will start to have some issues with a 3090 but it can be tweaked enough to make it work, that is not the case for 4070ti, 4080, 4090, 7900XT, 7900XTX. Those GPUS pretty much require 12th gen or newer, and Ryzen 5000/7000 to not have the stutter issues that many have had. 

[Lukjo]

 

2 minutes ago, Shimejii said:

i do indeed know what i am talking about  Have you had to troubleshoot and fix other peoples systems due to upgrades? Have you had any experience with frametime issues on the 4090/7900XTX on the older hardware? No? Then dont claim something like that because it makes you look like a flat out fool.

 

 

Actually i have troubleshooted and fixed plenty of systems with issues due to upgrades, and found good fixes for frametime issues that appeared and it wasnt due to old hardware (unless it was some very old and budget CPU counterpart) but due to other issues. Thanks for answering for me and looking like the fool here.

 

Its going to cause stutters and issues on high framerate games (usually over 140fps) even at 4k. It will cause issues in the long run that will be fixed by upgrading to more modern hardware like a 13600k, you dont need a 13900k. Or 7700x if you want AMD.

Why would a 9900k cause stuttering and issues on high framerate games, are you high? There are also plenty of benchmarks online with 9900k paired up with 4090 and what ur claiming dosent exist,are those framerates bad in comparison to 13900k results? yeah its getting bottlenecked

2 minutes ago, Shimejii said:

Its not an issue of PCIE saturation, its not an issue of intel vs amd. High end hardware requires high end hardware to properly run it. Can you run it with a 9900k? Sure, but when you start having the stuttering issues like many people on here have had like @Hinjima and they fixed that by upgrading to more modern hardware. I know what im talking about because ive helped people FIX those very issues that have been on here, multiple times.

 

" I know what im talking about beacause ive helped people" lmao

 

Does it suck that just 3 gens of hardware needs replacing (10th and 11th gen are the same just tweaked, 12th, 13th and 14th are the same just tweaked) ? Yes, but when you are shopping at the VERY highest of hardware, you pretty much have to be prepared to pay up that part as well. 

not what op needs

2 minutes ago, Shimejii said:

Remember most of the time its not purely an FPS issue, the 9900k can do its job fine, its the other issues that will plague it and cause issues in the games that are not purely avg framerate, its the 1% and .1% lows, its framepacing, and as Intel has put it GPU READY graphs. 

 

9900k Will do fine up to about a 3070/3080. It will start to have some issues with a 3090 but it can be tweaked enough to make it work, that is not the case for 4070ti, 4080, 4090, 7900XT, 7900XTX. Those GPUS pretty much require 12th gen or newer, and Ryzen 5000/7000 to not have the stutter issues that many have had. 

 

OP has a budget of 1000$, thats all he has

U didn't bring any sugestion to what his need was and all u said was say " what u wanna do is wrong" 

So what ur suggesting is to split up his budget,spend ~700$(~300$ CPU, 200$ MB,100-150$ RAM) on a new platform and remaining  ~300$ on gpu?

Would that bring him a more performance uplift then a straight card slot it of a 7900XTX for a eazy upgrade.OP still has a upgrade path for cpu in the future but its a expensive upgrade, changing from DDR4 to current gen isnt eazy as u make it sound ,its not just a answer of "LMAO just get money"

So yeah u dont have a clue what ur talking about and im ending the discussion with you here

[ChrisLoudon]

39 minutes ago, TDVEX said:

So basicily what im reading is that it really depends on what kind of games i play ofcourse 

What if i told you guys that im not into games like CSGO or Call or Duty or any type of shooting games like that. But more into HZD, GoW, Starfield, OW2, RDR2, GTA

Based on my type of playing, the 7900xtx will give me enough fps (+/-60) on 4k max settings? Even with this CPU and MoBo? 

Based on your choice of games then I'd be tempted to pump as much dosh into your GPU and keep that 9900k alive for a while longer.

 

While I can't comment on how Starfield runs on a 9900k as I have only played it on my 13600k, HZD, RDR2 and GTAV all play like a dream on my 9900k + 3080ti. HZD does need a little tweaking to the graphics settings at 4k if it don't enable any upscaling (DLSS) but it still looks amazing and runs far north of 60fps.

 

On a similar note, have you considered going Team Green? Its purely down to feature set with DLSS being far superior to FSR and AMDs RT performance lacking a generation behind Nvidia.

 

As far as I can tell, the 7900XTX beats out a 4080 without any upscaling but given the improvements of DLSS over FSR you might get better image quality.

 

Please note, its been a while since I've gone AMD for graphics so what I said above is based on what I read rather than hand-on experience. 

[Hinjima]

5 hours ago, TDVEX said:

Hi all, 

Im in a doubting situation when it comes to upgrading my old GPU. 

Currently i have this build;

- I9 9900K

- GiBy Z390 Aorus Master
- 3200-16 Vengeance (4x8gb)
- MB520 case 
- GTX 1660 - non TI
- Corsair RM850X 850w

- 1 x1440p monitor and 1x 4k monitor 

Fans and NVme are not relavant for now.
1440p games i wanna play with +/- 100fps (more shooting games)
4k games i wanna play with +60 fps (more singeplayer / scenic games)

I've saved some money (budget) for a new GPU around $1.000. So i was thinking, looking at the benchmarks, to upgrade for a 7900xtx.
Unfortunately i really read a lot of mixed comments. I sum them up down; 

- My board only has 3.0 pci so its a waste of my money

- my 9900k will bottleneck the potential of the gpu 

- everything is fine, you can buy every card what you want in your budget

- .. 

So right now im a bit confused tbh. Ofcourse i dont wanna pay $1.000 for something that will only preform at 70%
But im also doubting if i would reallly see the differences when it comes to bottlenecks.

I'm not planning of buying/building a whole new build unless you guys can really convince me that thats the only way to be future proof. 

please help.

Thanks for tagging me here @Shimejii

Hello there TDVEX.  I have had first hand experience with an RTX 4080 paired with an overclocked 9900k @5.1ghz all core and it was a terrible experience.  I was playing at 1440P.
I had major stuttering issues and below average framerate for an RTX 4080. Tiny Tina's Wonderland, Hell Let Loose, Assetto Corsa, Snowrunner and Dying Light 2 had major stuttering and terrible 1% lows.. Yes I got decent framerates but it was not smooth and something felt off... I changed my entire platform to AM5 - 7700x and all the issues were gone.   Everything runs smooth now and I tried switching back to the 9900k with a clean install of Windows just to test and it was again a stutterfest.

The 9900k is 5 years old now and its running on a tweaked 14nm skylake architecture from 2015...

It still keeps up quite well but not with a very high end GPU.

 

I would not pair a 7900XTX with a 9900k even for 1440p gaming,  Yes, you will get good framerate but you would also be bottlenecking the XTX quite a bit.   You can of course buy a 7900XTX now and upgrade the CPU later, no harm will come of this of course.

 

This is just from my own experience of course, your mileage may vary.

[Mick Naughty]

Mine struggles with a 3090. Dont care to push the overclock to run at such high temps for little return. 
Other games like 2042 exaggerates that as it pegs every core. I'll be upgrading to a 13700k, no need for me to struggle with this cpu with the next wave of games coming out.