My problem with Nvidia
On 10/6/2023 at 1:22 PM, Adam1984 said:Given the ridiculous prices of gpus over the last few years, and most of that goes on nvidia.. you would think they would cut gamers some slack.
Yeah, because it truly is gamers who need to get some slack right now. We poor gamers don't have it easy, because the price of graphics cards has increased so much. If anyone deserves some slack, it's us.
On 10/6/2023 at 1:22 PM, Adam1984 said:However, the real problem for me is things like frame generation. They could easily have made that compatible with 20 and 30 series gpus... but they didnt. Why? Because they want to sell the 40 series gpu's, which have dissapointed, so the real performance upgrade comes from frame generation.
I thought the 40 series seemed to have a pretty decent performance uplift. It's certainly not all from the frame-generating stuff.
Also, do you have any source that Nvidia could "easily have made that compatible with 20 and 30 series gpus"? A while ago I read some interviews and Q&As with Bryan Catanzaro, the VP of applied deep learning research at Nvidia and he shed some light on the situation.
He said that as DLSS3 is built today, it could run on older generations of graphics cards but it wouldn't work well, thus defeating the whole purpose. DLSS3 relies on the Optical Flow Accelerators (OFA) on the graphics card to work, and those got a massive uplift in the 40 series. DLSS3 running on the 40 series cards already struggles a bit and will introduce some latency (hence why Nvidia also bundles it with Nvidia Reflex).
So while Nvidia could port it to older generations like the 20 and 30 series, it would not result in higher FPS but rather worse FPS, more uneven frame rates, and higher latency, because the OFA couldn't keep up.
I will choose to believe this explanation because they did backport other features to earlier generations like RTX voice and ray reconstruction.
On 10/6/2023 at 1:22 PM, Adam1984 said:AMD FSR 3 frame Generation will be not only compatible with Nvidia GPUs too, but 20 and 30 series cards.
So AMD are about to do more for my nvidia GPU than Nvidia have ever done, for FREE.
Yes, it's true that FSR 3 is compatible with Nvidia GPUs... But you have looked into FSR 3?
It's easy to look at some binary checklist like where it just says "generates frames" and "works on Nvidia GPUs". You have to also look at how well something works, and for that I think Hardware Unboxed made a good video. Here is a quote from the video:
QuoteSo overall I ahven't been very impressed with what I've seen from AMD's FSR 3 technology so far in its two launch titles. To me this feature seems rushed, incomplete and not fully ready for prime time. There are too many incompatibilities and configuration issues which stands out badly compared to Nvidia's DLSS 3 technology, itself a feature with issues.
The resulting FSR 3 frame generation experience is difficult to recommend outside a few niche use cases.
-snip-
When we have DLSS 3 generation that, to use an Nvidia:ism "it just works" with features like VRR, going backwards on compatibility with FSR 3 really stands out.
The video also brings up limitations AMD has on older graphics cards, like Anti-Lag+ which only works on the RX 7000 series (not 6000 or older).
It is possible that some of these issues (or all of them?) might be fixed in the future, but I think it is misleading to paint this picture of FSR 3 being equal to DLSS3 and therefore AMD are doing a better job than Nvidia with frame generation.
It seems to me like Nvidia is careful and wants to deliver a really good and smooth experience. If they don't think something will work well then they don't even give users the choice to try it.
AMD on the other hand seems to do the exact opposite and just lets everyone try it out. The end result is that people get really inconsistent experiences.
I think there are merits to both approaches, but I wouldn't really say either one is better or worse than the other.
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