OLED burn in warranty

[Adam1984]

How much of a deal breaker is it?

 

Everyone is talking about the upcoming 4k 32 inch 240hz oled from Asus, but if there is no burn in warranty, imagine dropping 1500 on it, youd never be able to relax and just enjoy it

 

Linus had very bad issues with his 42 inch LG very quickly, but as we know hes quite well off. Imagine saving for months and forking out 1k plus only to have burn in 6 months down the line

 

Obviously burn in is very preventable, but then you have to constantly monitor it and keep using the provided anti burn in tools. Which to me changes the whole PC experience of just enjoying your beautiful desktop without any fears

 

 

[WereCat]

The Corsair XENEON has burn-in waranty as far as I'm aware.

That said, how likely you'll get burn-in is soooo much dependent on how you use the monitor. Also what kind of OLED panel it has, how high brightness you use, etc... there is no single metric for this. Only time will show.

Also Linus uses a lot of static content, mainly desktop windows. It's not really a good use case for OLED.

 

You'll be probably fine for years if you only run games and movies. But then again, if a game has a lot of static content like crosshair, UI elements, etc... and you play it all the time then it's basically the same as a desktop static content and it will get burn-in.

[FlyingPotato_is_taken]

In my opinion, burn in is overhyped.

The first popular OLED screens were perhaps the Samsung S2 phone. That is now a decade old and people still buy and love OLED displays. I have no burn-in at all on my LG phone after 3 years. Others have slight burnin in the status bar and home buttons. The same happens with IPS displays.

[WereCat]

46 minutes ago, FlyingPotato_is_taken said:

In my opinion, burn in is overhyped.

The first popular OLED screens were perhaps the Samsung S2 phone. That is now a decade old and people still buy and love OLED displays. I have no burn-in at all on my LG phone after 3 years. Others have slight burnin in the status bar and home buttons. The same happens with IPS displays.

You don't typically run your phone screen ON for many hours daily with static content on it. It's very different use case. 

[Lurick]

I've got over 1500 hours on my Alienware DWF and no burn-in but as @WereCat mentioned it also depends highly on how you use it. If you're running spreadsheets full brightness 8-10+ hours a day without moving anything or swapping windows? Yah it's going to burn in.

If you're like me and do work/gaming on it and move stuff around and don't keep the same static image for hours at a time and reduce the brightness you'll be fine most likely.

[Andrewtst]

Just used it happily, not torturing it and don't off any prevention precaution set my the manufacturer. It should be fine.

[ChrisLoudon]

2 hours ago, FlyingPotato_is_taken said:

In my opinion, burn in is overhyped.

Agreed.

 

While everyone's use case is different, you can mitigate these issues with a little care and attention.

 

I game and watch TV / movies on the same screens so have always opted for LG OLED TVs instead of monitors and the only screen that is starting to show signs of burn-in is my 7 year old 65C6V and even then its barely notiocible.

 

Nowadays, I have a 1m timed screen saver enabled on my C1 and C2 so I suppose time will tell.

[fred82]

2 hours ago, WereCat said:

You don't typically run your phone screen ON for many hours daily with static content on it. It's very different use case. 

it happened to me but not typical you are somewhat right. 

i got the oneplus 4

i was doing an activity on the phone a specific app i had to let open like on PC :: i got burn in  

as well the icons of the background some of them let a burn in so that it is less typical

 

now tech changed they have add much of protection and we know it we are aware 

stil sadly i see not much of statistics like number of return devices because of burn in or complaints 

that would be nice to have 

until that people will be scared 

[Doobeedoo]

I was also interested in this monitor. But for that price tier I'd want longer warranty number one. A other thing is so far it seems they really limited such monitor, no DP 2.1, no BFI, no ELMB sync, no DFR so for such monitor that would be very disappointing. Also makes no sense, since we saw all this tech in worse monitor, not all combined, but still. I saw they removed their official site page, hopefully revising this. Can only hope.

[Adam1984]

2 hours ago, Doobeedoo said:

I was also interested in this monitor. But for that price tier I'd want longer warranty number one. A other thing is so far it seems they really limited such monitor, no DP 2.1, no BFI, no ELMB sync, no DFR so for such monitor that would be very disappointing. Also makes no sense, since we saw all this tech in worse monitor, not all combined, but still. I saw they removed their official site page, hopefully revising this. Can only hope.

I think im going to go for the alienware ultrawide.

 

I think these new 4k oleds are targeted at 4090 users, I use a 3090ti so should get smoother experience  in 3440x1440 for a couple of years until 5 series.

 

Plus the 3 year burn in warranty is a pretty strong selling point

[Doobeedoo]

3 hours ago, Adam1984 said:

I think im going to go for the alienware ultrawide.

 

I think these new 4k oleds are targeted at 4090 users, I use a 3090ti so should get smoother experience  in 3440x1440 for a couple of years until 5 series.

 

Plus the 3 year burn in warranty is a pretty strong selling point

I mean yeah no need to rush, especially for a monitor that you can keep for multiple builds too. But odd some having DP 2.1 and this supposedly not.

Always good to go for what makes sense for you at the time.

[Adam1984]

2 hours ago, Doobeedoo said:

I mean yeah no need to rush, especially for a monitor that you can keep for multiple builds too. But odd some having DP 2.1 and this supposedly not.

Always good to go for what makes sense for you at the time.

The hdmi is 2.0 which is hard to understand but the DP 1.4 will do 165hz. Not sure about in HDR though, im happy at 144 to be honest. Been gaming at 60 fps for ages so anything is an upgrade for me. Yeah I will bide my time, looking like a very promising option though

[GuiltySpark_]

41 minutes ago, Adam1984 said:

The hdmi is 2.0 which is hard to understand but the DP 1.4 will do 165hz. Not sure about in HDR though, im happy at 144 to be honest. Been gaming at 60 fps for ages so anything is an upgrade for me. Yeah I will bide my time, looking like a very promising option though

The DW and DWF (the good one) have been out for a while and have extensive review coverage documenting every aspect of how they operate. They can do 3440x1440 at full refresh rate and HDR with no issue over DisplayPort, that's how its intended. Tim at HUB/Monitors Unboxed did an update with the DWF's latest firmware upgrade back in June. 

 

 

Then one month ago, has the DWF as his #1 pick still. 

 

 

 

For me, as an owner of a 34" 3440x1440 display for the last 7 years, I wanted more pixels AND OLED, so my LG C2 I picked up in January has been fantastic. Moving back to 16:9 was a bit of a struggle for a week but I'm fully used to it now.

[Adam1984]

6 hours ago, GuiltySpark_ said:

The DW and DWF (the good one) have been out for a while and have extensive review coverage documenting every aspect of how they operate. They can do 3440x1440 at full refresh rate and HDR with no issue over DisplayPort, that's how its intended. Tim at HUB/Monitors Unboxed did an update with the DWF's latest firmware upgrade back in June. 

 

 

Then one month ago, has the DWF as his #1 pick still. 

 

 

 

For me, as an owner of a 34" 3440x1440 display for the last 7 years, I wanted more pixels AND OLED, so my LG C2 I picked up in January has been fantastic. Moving back to 16:9 was a bit of a struggle for a week but I'm fully used to it now.

The c2 is also an option for me, I currently game on a 4k 55 inch LG lcd, which is great for driving sims.

 

You do actually get used to the size and its very immersive, however the pixel density isnt very high and the ghosting is very bad in some games.

 

The 42 inch oled is certainly a great buy, with a much better pixel density and ofcourse superb image quality. 

 

Its a bit pricier than the dwf at present but it is one that I have thought about. Im just very drawn in by alienwares 3 year burn in warranty, plus the fps gains

[AI_Must_Di3]

48 minutes ago, Dean0919 said:

Not true at all. Never seen in my life any IPS display with burn-in problem. I can say with 100% that IPS monitors don't have burn-in problems. None of my IPS monitors had burn-in.

 

I wouldn't get oled monitor personally. Just get IPS. Yeah, oled has a better colors, but the risk isn't worth it. IPS still has acceptable colors and no need to worry about burn-in problem, use screensavers or etc...

Agreed!!!! I might be thinking something like that if i didnt go thru it myself, but since i have and with a nice LG, i wasnt very happy. I agree that OLED is beautiful and the performance was good, but i ran into the burn in issue about a year in. I ended up going with a big IPS and its a great monitor and yes the blacks are the only really noticeable difference, theyre def "IPS black" but far from terrible.

OLED needs time to mature and they need to figure out how to mitigate the quality issues they have so theyre as reliable as any other panel tech out there. I want to buy a good OLED and 10 years down the road still be able to use it like the other monitors i have so i can loan it to a family member if necessary etc...

[Stahlmann]

On 9/27/2023 at 11:08 AM, Adam1984 said:

How much of a deal breaker is it?

Imo, it's not a deal breaker.

 

On 9/27/2023 at 11:08 AM, Adam1984 said:

Everyone is talking about the upcoming 4k 32 inch 240hz oled from Asus, but if there is no burn in warranty, imagine dropping 1500 on it, youd never be able to relax and just enjoy it

The lack of a burn-in specific warranty doesn't mean you have no warranty at all. If you experience burn in within a few months chances are that you get a replacement either way. That's what i heard about LG TV's for example.

 

On 9/27/2023 at 11:08 AM, Adam1984 said:

Linus had very bad issues with his 42 inch LG very quickly, but as we know hes quite well off. Imagine saving for months and forking out 1k plus only to have burn in 6 months down the line

I also have a 42" C2 and i've been using it as my main monitor for a year now. No signs of burn-in whatsoever. Linus' usecase is pretty much the worst case scenario for any OLED display. But if you use it as a general content consumption display, for example watching media or playing games, then you don't have anything to worry about.

 

On 9/27/2023 at 11:08 AM, Adam1984 said:

Obviously burn in is very preventable, but then you have to constantly monitor it and keep using the provided anti burn in tools. Which to me changes the whole PC experience of just enjoying your beautiful desktop without any fears

All of these anti burn in tools work in the background without your attention. Other than having Windows shut off my monitor after 10 minutes of inactivity, my useage behavior hasn't changed from when i had LCD monitors. After using one for over a year now, i pretty much just don't think about it anymore and just enjoy the things i want to enjoy.

 

TL:DR: You do not have to baby the display all the time. Just don't buy an OLED if you know you will use it for work every single day. It's generally pretty safe for a content consumption display.

[Stahlmann]

On 9/28/2023 at 1:04 PM, Dean0919 said:

I wouldn't get oled monitor personally. Just get IPS. Yeah, oled has a better colors, but the risk isn't worth it. IPS still has acceptable colors and no need to worry about burn-in problem, use screensavers or etc...

What the heck does "better colors" even mean? Wider color gamut? More accurate? IPS displays are currently still the technology that has the wides color gamuts available. Accuracity has nothing to do with the technology, and everything to do with the brand's will to ship them factory calibrated.

 

The difference between OLED and IPS is not about color. It's contrast, responsiveness and general image quality, be it a moving or a still picture. Yes, there are tradeoffs, like power consumption, the risk of burn in and fullscreen brightness. But no single technology on the display market offers a no compromise experience.

 

As i said above, you shouldn't really get an OLED as a work display. But other than that there is no need to baby the display all the time.

[Stahlmann]

15 minutes ago, Dean0919 said:

Don't understand what enraged you lol. I meant in general colors on oled/amoled screen look better (more vivid I guess? Especially black color). What's so hard to understand? And if you don't know what the word "better" means, you can google it. Don't know and care about those details you mentioned (accuracy, gamut or whatever they are), I'm just speaking from the average person's perspective who saw both IPS and oled/amoled screens side by side. That's it. Try to chill. No one's fighting you here.

Broad statements like "better color" show that you fundamentally don't understand OLED displays and their appeal. That's what my post was supposed to point out. There is nothing about OLED technology that inherently makes colors "better".

[Stahlmann]

9 minutes ago, Dean0919 said:

Okay, end? Never said I was expert. Like I said, I'm just a generic, average person. What's your problem, dude? I don't care about oled technolgy inherent whatever thing. Just said my opinion that oled looks better than IPS. Tha's it. Calm down, man.

You're allowed to have whatever opinion you want. That doesn't mean i have to accept it or ignore it. I'm allowed to critisize your opinion. Wheter you take that criticizsm to heart or take it personally is up to you. I'm not enraged or mad just because i critisize what you said.

[ewitte]

On 9/27/2023 at 5:22 AM, WereCat said:

You don't typically run your phone screen ON for many hours daily with static content on it. It's very different use case. 

I'm just shy of 4000 hours on my 48in LG C1 that is used as a monitor with 0 signs of burn in.

[ewitte]

On 9/29/2023 at 7:44 AM, Stahlmann said:

Broad statements like "better color" show that you fundamentally don't understand OLED displays and their appeal. That's what my post was supposed to point out. There is nothing about OLED technology that inherently makes colors "better".

The huge difference in perception is that blacks are actually black.  It can make a HUGE difference in some content.  OLED is the best available outside microled which isn't really available yet.  With grey blacks, the pictures tend to look washed out (IMO completely for TN panels even the best).