How likely is that the newest AAA games could get optimized to the point where they almost run double the fps on same settings?

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[YoungBlade]

As a programmer, who has also participated in nearly a dozen Game Jams, I think that, if a company devoted full employee time to nothing but optimization for those games for a month or two, you probably could get the games to run at double their current FPS.

 

The problem is, the ROI on that sort of thing is minimal. They make money when they sell the game, or on DLC, skins, legalized gambling loot boxes, etc. The economic incentive to do this isn't there.

[_Omega_]

∞ a with modern games... 5 DLCs still just 30 FPS

[starsmine]

We really need different words. 

These engines ARE optimized. they are doing FAR more under the hood with fewer resources than ever before. It just so happens we are using that ability to do... MORE. 

We had this same conversation when DX11 came out with tessellation. The methods we had to draw models at that much detail before DX11 was far more expensive than tessellation, regardless of how expensive tessellation was. 

Also I know your meme says high, But if a game can be run at 60fps 4k on the flagship on ultra at launch. The devs fucked up and left fidelity on the table. 

[Poinkachu]

I am glad enough if they can consistently release a bug free game at launch.

[YoungBlade]

1 minute ago, starsmine said:

We really need different words. 

These engines ARE optimized. they are doing FAR more under the hood with fewer resources than ever before. It just so happens we are using that ability to do... MORE. 

We had this same conversation when DX11 came out with tessellation. The methods we had to draw models at that much detail before DX11 was far more expensive than tessellation, regardless of how expensive tessellation was. 

Engine optimization and game optimization are two separate issues.

 

During practice for a game jam, I accidentally started nesting game objects onto a prefab instead of just instantiating a new object like I had intended. The game, that was very simple, started taking longer and longer to launch, and eventually had slowed to a crawl. The Unity engine was not at fault, I was - the game developer.

 

That was a particularly dumb mistake, which is why it comes to mind so easily, but smaller mistakes or sub-optimal methods of coding happen all the time. The bigger the game, the more likely such mistakes are to creep in, as you have more cooks in the kitchen and it's harder to spot errors.

 

It's not just "games are doing more." It's that games studios aren't prioritizing code cleanup and optimization in favor of putting in more features. Which is a balancing act that needs to be done.

 

There's a guy who recently went back and cleaned up the code of the original Super Mario 64 game, and got it to run at 60fps on N64 hardware, just by optimizing the game using modern coding techniques and the benefit of hindsight. There is no reason that games released today couldn't have the same thing done to them.

[Alex Atkin UK]

10 minutes ago, starsmine said:

if a game can be run at 60fps 4k on the flagship on ultra at launch. The devs fucked up and left fidelity on the table. 

So much this.  It used to be almost no 3D game could run at top setting at launch, that was kinda the point that you could run them looking even better in a year or two when new GPUs came out, that's the point of having settings.

 

The fact that Ultra these days is often only aiming at current top-end hardware kinda sucks.

 

Is the MEME supposed to be sarcastic?  Games have never been optimised to run at 4K 120fps.

 

3 minutes ago, YoungBlade said:

There's a guy who recently went back and cleaned up the code of the original Super Mario 64 game, and got it to run at 60fps on N64 hardware, just by optimizing the game using modern coding techniques and the benefit of hindsight. There is no reason that games released today couldn't have the same thing done to them.

Technically sure, you are correct, but you already pointed out the reason why it can't happen - it would cost a fortune.

[Brooksie359]

7 minutes ago, starsmine said:

We really need different words. 

These engines ARE optimized. they are doing FAR more under the hood with fewer resources than ever before. It just so happens we are using that ability to do... MORE. 

We had this same conversation when DX11 came out with tessellation. The methods we had to draw models at that much detail before DX11 was far more expensive than tessellation, regardless of how expensive tessellation was. 

Also I know your meme says high, But if a game can be run at 60fps 4k on the flagship on ultra at launch. The devs fucked up and left fidelity on the table. 

That's a garbage take. I have consistently seen games come out that had amazing graphics and run at high fps and I have seen games come out with horrible fps and the graphics still sucked. Also fidelity is already so go on alot of games that you would be better off having it be easier to run on a larger range of rigs. 

[TVwazhere]

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