Just ordered an ASUS PG27AQDM OLED. Nervous about longevity.

[Tanaz]

So I just ordered the ASUS version of the LG 27'' 240hz monitor and am planning to replace my Alienware 25 inch 240hz with it as my main esports gaming monitor. However 90% of the time I play 3 games - OW,League and Fortnite. All games have persistent HUD elements and that combined with the fact that the ASUS is quite a bit brighter than the LG variant is making me nervous about longevity. Keep in mind I'm using my computer for basically 12 hours per day 4-5 of which is gaming. Now obviously I don't expect miracles but my hope is to use it for at least 3-4 years before severe burn-in sets in. Also I'll be using it in a dark room so brightness won't be cranked to 100%, more like 65-75% and I'll hide the taskbar and desktop icons + use wallpaper engine with a new wallpaper every minute to preserve it.

Is 3 years a reasonable expectation?

[Andrewtst]

No one can answer you this. Just use happily without thinking it too much. 

 

Now all my display is OLED but I choose to believe it won't burn in. I didn't do anything like hide taskbar, no icon and etc. 

 

I trusted the screen shift with screen saver is enough to prevent burn in. 

 

My first OLED is LG C9 as a TV, I buy in year 2020 and so far until now no single burn in, but happened dead pixel at corner, I just hope my two new OLED monitor won't have dead pixel after 3 years usage. Even this happen, I still decide change my monitor to OLED.

[Tanaz]

Just now, Andrewtst said:

No one can answer you this. Just use happily without thinking it too much. 

 

Now all my display is OLED but I choose to believe it won't burn in. I didn't do anything like hide taskbar, no icon and etc. 

 

I trusted the screen shift with screen saver is enough to prevent burn in. 

 

My first OLED is LG C9 as a TV, I buy in year 2020 and so far until now no single burn in, but happened dead pixel at corner, I just hope my two new OLED monitor won't have dead pixel after 3 years usage. Even this happen, I still decide change my monitor to OLED.

I too have an LG Oled TV however it seems to have much more prevention techniques than those new monitors and also it's nowhere near as bright. What's your usage like in terms of hours per day? Because 3 years sounds like a lot but 3 years at 1 hour per day is different than 6 months at 12 hours per day.

[GuiltySpark_]

I tell people that if you're worried about it, simply don't buy OLED. You have to fully understand what can happen and accept it or you're just going to be paranoid throughout the ownership and probably just sell it in a few months. I've fully committed with my C2 on my desk and am not worried at all. 

[johnt]

how the hell do you have that much free time to play video games?

[Tanaz]

7 minutes ago, GuiltySpark_ said:

I tell people that if you're worried about it, simply don't buy OLED. You have to fully understand what can happen and accept it or you're just going to be paranoid throughout the ownership and probably just sell it in a few months. I've fully committed with my C2 on my desk and am not worried at all. 

I'm just a more anxious person in general. That's why I almost bought the Samsung G7 Neo instead because I can just set it and forget it. However the OLED is just SO MUCH better it's not even close. Both in terms of pixel response time and overall picture quality. It's just too good to pass up.

 

1 minute ago, johnt said:

how the hell do you have that much free time to play video games?

You can consider me semi-retired. Not that I'm old, just my current work situation allows me to.

[venomtail]

My only OLED experience is on phones, and all of them have burn in, LG and Samsung. Main culprit for static stuff that has burned in is status icons, navigation and in addition on my phone... tiktok. All have had dead pixels, my old phone was most severe. I always though I didn't have static things and leave me screen on for ages but here I am. I hope new tech works far better but the latest phone to have burn in is a Galaxy S10 Lite from 2020. I've just bought a S23+ so we'll see how long that lasts. 

 

As far as I've researched myself, main concern is for multitaskers, having burn in between windows of apps when multitasking. Either find a 3rd party app that disabled the white line or never lock your screens into their positions. 

 

I'm also hesitant about static games. If I plan to play a ton of Cities Skylines 2, bottom task bar's likely to burn in, no? Some other genres might fare much better.

[Tanaz]

4 minutes ago, venomtail said:

My only OLED experience is on phones, and all of them have burn in, LG and Samsung. Main culprit for static stuff that has burned in is status icons, navigation and in addition on my phone... tiktok. All have had dead pixels, my old phone was most severe. I always though I didn't have static things and leave me screen on for ages but here I am. I hope new tech works far better but the latest phone to have burn in is a Galaxy S10 Lite from 2020. I've just bought a S23+ so we'll see how long that lasts. 

 

As far as I've researched myself, main concern is for multitaskers, having burn in between windows of apps when multitasking. Either find a 3rd party app that disabled the white line or never lock your screens into their positions. 

I've had burn in on 2 of my OLED phones too, my Samsung Note 8 and my LG V30 both times on the navigation bar, however I think it's a tough parallel to make between large and small displays, considering phones  need to run at a much higher overall brightness to be visible outside and the cooling is way worse than that on a monitor/TV. And yes I actually have window borders completely black so that's not an issue.

[venomtail]

19 minutes ago, Tanaz said:

I've had burn in on 2 of my OLED phones too, my Samsung Note 8 and my LG V30 both times on the navigation bar, however I think it's a tough parallel to make between large and small displays, considering phones  need to run at a much higher overall brightness to be visible outside and the cooling is way worse than that on a monitor/TV. And yes I actually have window borders completely black so that's not an issue.

Yea, heat is an issue for OLED and my devices are always constantly boiling hot cause I need to use them so I can't really avoid it, also a good reason why some OLED panels have active fans now to keep the the panel cool as much as possible.

[Tanaz]

5 minutes ago, venomtail said:

Yea, heat is an issue for OLED and my devices are always constantly boiling hot cause I need to use them so I can't really avoid it, also a good reason why some OLED panels have active fans now to keep the the panel cool as much as possible.

The ASUS is marketed to have a "heatsink" but the heatsink is in the center behind the PCBs and power supply so it's not cooling the panel itself BUT at least it's pulling the heat from the components away from the panel which does help indirectly.

[Andrewtst]

5 hours ago, Tanaz said:

I too have an LG Oled TV however it seems to have much more prevention techniques than those new monitors and also it's nowhere near as bright. What's your usage like in terms of hours per day? Because 3 years sounds like a lot but 3 years at 1 hour per day is different than 6 months at 12 hours per day.

I every day off duty if not go anywhere, means I will turn on my PC which is around 7 PM to 1 AM. Off course I not all time in front of the monitor, when idle 2 mins it will auto run the screen saver and later the screen will be off by itself. 

 

In short, on time usage will be around 3 ~ 4 hours per day for my gaming PC.

• Samsung Odyssey OLED G9
  • Daily use Gaming PC.
  • Brightness 37/50, contrast 50/50 in SDR. Default to SDR.
  • HDR is always brightness 50/50 as HDR will auto adjust follow the scenes. (only ON when required)
• LG OLED Flex
  • Occasional use as MacBook Pro monitor.
  • Brightness 75/100, contrast 85/10 in SDR. Default to SDR.
  • HDR as usual brightness 100/100.

 

Use it happily, don't think about it. No need to change behavior hide taskbar, no icons and etc. Remember the screen is shift from time to time and the taskbar is semi transparent.

4 hours ago, venomtail said:

My only OLED experience is on phones, and all of them have burn in

 

3 hours ago, Tanaz said:

I've had burn in on 2 of my OLED phones too, my Samsung Note 8 and my LG V30

I not sure how you all using the mobile, frank speak I never had burn in issue in my mobile and I am a heavy mobile user. Off course as usual screen is off when phone is idle except I do on the always display for my Samsung phone if I am using the Samsung phone. But my phone never over 2 years so far. But still how can be a phone burn in, I am very curious. This never happen to me at all. I do seen a burn in display set at shop and only one time I had seen.

[Tanaz]

25 minutes ago, Andrewtst said:

I not sure how you all using the mobile, frank speak I never had burn in issue in my mobile and I am a heavy mobile user. Off course as usual screen is off when phone is idle except I do on the always display for my Samsung phone if I am using the Samsung phone. But my phone never over 2 years so far. But still how can be a phone burn in, I am very curious. This never happen to me at all. I do seen a burn in display set at shop and only one time I had seen.

My navigation bar (3 buttons at the bottom of the screen) on my Note 8 turned purple. But keep in mind that happened after ~4 years of usage, I used it for 2 years then gave it to my father and he used it for another 2 and then the burn in was noticable. But as I said before that's no indication to how a TV or a monitor would age as they don't need to get nearly as bright and also are cooled much better.

[Andrewtst]

1 minute ago, Tanaz said:

My navigation bar (3 buttons at the bottom of the screen) on my Note 8 turned purple. But keep in mind that happened after ~4 years of usage, I used it for 2 years then gave it to my father and he used it for another 2 and then the burn in was noticable. But as I said before that's no indication to how a TV or a monitor would age as they don't need to get nearly as bright and also are cooled much better.

Oh, 4 years is pretty long, probably it is end of the life span. Actually, I am more worried on dead pixels, I hope it doesn't happen again or not so quick. My LG OLED C9 appear dead pixel after after around 2.5 years later I think, it is a TV where I seat far, so not noticeable. But if monitor it will be annoying me.

 

Anyway, just used as it is, keep thinking will be paranoid later and not happy using it.

[Tanaz]

1 minute ago, Andrewtst said:

Oh, 4 years is pretty long, probably it is end of the life span. Actually, I am more worried on dead pixels, I hope it doesn't happen again or not so quick. My LG OLED C9 appear dead pixel after after around 2.5 years later I think, it is a TV where I seat far, so not noticeable. But if monitor it will be annoying me.

 

Anyway, just used as it is, keep thinking will be paranoid later and not happy using it.

Oh I've seen some people have a cluster of dead pixels on their LG TVs and it looks horrible like a fly's taken a shit on it lol . Hopefully I avoid that on my new monitor and my TV as well.

[Andrewtst]

1 minute ago, Tanaz said:

Oh I've seen some people have a cluster of dead pixels on their LG TVs and it looks horrible like a fly's taken a shit on it lol . Hopefully I avoid that on my new monitor and my TV as well.

Lucky mine is at top right corner only, so no impact to viewing yet at the moment.

[e22big]

13 hours ago, Tanaz said:

I too have an LG Oled TV however it seems to have much more prevention techniques than those new monitors and also it's nowhere near as bright. What's your usage like in terms of hours per day? Because 3 years sounds like a lot but 3 years at 1 hour per day is different than 6 months at 12 hours per day.

Hardware-wise, the monitor should have better burn-in than the TV, it has MLA after all (and I bet even heatsink)

 

I would say, don't think about it too much. OLED are highly vulnerable to burn-in with a certain workload but it's not that bad and the sign isn't always visible. It will took a while before the burn-in become so bad that you can see it everywhere (and generally that shouldn't come from a game workload but more like productivity where you have to work on it for 8 hours or more everyday)

 

[venomtail]

13 hours ago, Andrewtst said:

I not sure how you all using the mobile, frank speak I never had burn in issue in my mobile and I am a heavy mobile user. Off course as usual screen is off when phone is idle except I do on the always display for my Samsung phone if I am using the Samsung phone. But my phone never over 2 years so far. But still how can be a phone burn in, I am very curious. This never happen to me at all. I do seen a burn in display set at shop and only one time I had seen.

Well my old LG V30 developed burn in around the 4th year, now on the 5th year it's pretty noticeable. A few random dead pixels as well. Main culprits are the notifications burned in, navigation bar at the bottom as well as the 3 tiktok buttons. The Samsung I know has burn in right now only at bottom of the static 3 button navigation panel, meaning I notice a colour shift whenever there's fullscreen content that hides the panel. 

 

If I have to think about it, I think main culprit could be heat? I like to think of myself as a power user, meaning I have the phone on full brightness, doing multi tasking work outside using 4G/5G whilst having a hotspot for other devices, being connected to other devices like earphones streaming music and downloading files all at the same time. V30 got so hot I could barely touch it, hold it. Don't have it with me but peak temperature I screenshotted once was a self reported 80C with CPUZ app.

 

I even push my new 23+ and have it run out of juice last me about 12h from fully charged when I start work. I plan to use the S23+ for 6 years minimum so I hope OLED tech has come a long way in the last 5 years.

[Andrewtst]

11 minutes ago, venomtail said:

4th year, now on the 5th year

So probably OLED start showing the burn in at 4th years usage. 

 

Thanks for the information. I don't have use more than 3 years, probably that the reason I didn't face burn in on mobile. 

[Stahlmann]

I've been using my C2 as my main monitor for over a year now and there is still no sign of burn in. I don't hide my taskbar, but i disabled all desktop icons and i'm using the TranslucentTB app to hide the bar itself while still seeing the icons. I even disabled the auto-dimming (TPC). I just don't think about burn-in anymore.

[Tanaz]

41 minutes ago, Stahlmann said:

I've been using my C2 as my main monitor for over a year now and there is still no sign of burn in. I don't hide my taskbar, but i disabled all desktop icons and i'm using the TranslucentTB app to hide the bar itself while still seeing the icons. I even disabled the auto-dimming (TPC). I just don't think about burn-in anymore.

I'm both using TranslucentTB and hiding the taskbar as well as desktop icons. As far as protection features I leave everything on except for pixel shift because it's always eating part of the screen and the movement is annoying. The ASUS arrived this morning. My biggest fear is League's HUD but we shall see. Hopefully it lasts me 4 years.

[e22big]

 

On 8/17/2023 at 8:11 PM, Tanaz said:

So I just ordered the ASUS version of the LG 27'' 240hz monitor and am planning to replace my Alienware 25 inch 240hz with it as my main esports gaming monitor. However 90% of the time I play 3 games - OW,League and Fortnite. All games have persistent HUD elements and that combined with the fact that the ASUS is quite a bit brighter than the LG variant is making me nervous about longevity. Keep in mind I'm using my computer for basically 12 hours per day 4-5 of which is gaming. Now obviously I don't expect miracles but my hope is to use it for at least 3-4 years before severe burn-in sets in. Also I'll be using it in a dark room so brightness won't be cranked to 100%, more like 65-75% and I'll hide the taskbar and desktop icons + use wallpaper engine with a new wallpaper every minute to preserve it.

Is 3 years a reasonable expectation?

 

Just saw your usage pattern and.. well, I take everything that I've said back. This is the worst usage possible for OLED, you are at some very high risk of burn-in to say the least.

 

rting experiment which employed a similar usage pattern managed to burn-in their OLED in as early as a couple of weeks, although like mentioned before, it will be a while before the sign becomes clearly visible in normal usage (the early sign of burn-in often started within a single colour, magenta, then red etc.)

 

While I can't say for sure about the longevity of your OLED monitor, I expected something along the line of 1-2 years before it becomes a serious issue. Although who knows, the improved panel technology with heatsink and MLA might help you a bit here. But personally, I would 100 percent get another LCD just for the productivity and keep OLED strictly for gaming and movies.

[GuiltySpark_]

2 minutes ago, Tanaz said:

I'm both using TranslucentTB and hiding the taskbar as well as desktop icons. As far as protection features I leave everything on except for pixel shift because it's always eating part of the screen and the movement is annoying. The ASUS arrived this morning. My biggest fear is League's HUD but we shall see. Hopefully it lasts me 4 years.

Odd. I've only noticed it shift a handful of times and it so fast I'm over it a second later. I've also never noticed it actually cut off anything to an extent that it would be noticable. 

[Tanaz]

26 minutes ago, e22big said:

 

 

Just saw your usage pattern and.. well, I take everything that I've said back. This is the worst usage possible for OLED, you are at some very high risk of burn-in to say the least.

 

rting experiment which employed a similar usage pattern managed to burn-in their OLED in as early as a couple of weeks, although like mentioned before, it will be a while before the sign becomes clearly visible in normal usage (the early sign of burn-in often started within a single colour, magenta, then red etc.)

 

While I can't say for sure about the longevity of your OLED monitor, I expected something along the line of 1-2 years before it becomes a serious issue. Although who knows, the improved panel technology with heatsink and MLA might help you a bit here. But personally, I would 100 percent get another LCD just for the productivity and keep OLED strictly for gaming and movies.

I hope that my saving grace would be the fact that I'm using it in a dim room and not using it on 100% brightness.

26 minutes ago, GuiltySpark_ said:

Odd. I've only noticed it shift a handful of times and it so fast I'm over it a second later. I've also never noticed it actually cut off anything to an extent that it would be noticable. 

It's super agressive on the ASUS to the point where it cuts out part of the windows clock.

[Andrewtst]

Since most people do hide taskbar, hide icon, black wallpaper and etc. but I don't do this and not plan to do also.

The only I keep is not disable any precautioned set by the display itself - pixel shift, pixel clean up and etc.

 

I decide use as normal display I always used. Let me be the one experiment to see whether it burn in or not.

 

I got both WOLED and QD-OLED, I can be the one to know which one burn free more longer as well.

[Tanaz]

3 minutes ago, Andrewtst said:

Since most people do hide taskbar, hide icon, black wallpaper and etc. but I don't do this and not plan to do also.

The only I keep is not disable any precautioned set by the display itself - pixel shift, pixel clean up and etc.

 

I decide use as normal display I always used. Let me be the one experiment to see whether it burn in or not.

 

I got both WOLED and QD-OLED, I can be the one to know which one burn free more longer as well.

I agree with your sentiment. It's called a "gaming monitor". If playing games is "improper use" then perhaps they should market it as something else. I'm going to use it as I normally do and whatever happens happens. I would say I'd rely on "that ROG great warranty" but that's very much a thing of the past, seems like they've decided to become way more hostile towards consumers recently.