Would it be pointless to downgrade from a 5800X to a 5700X for lower power draw and cooler temps?

[Sensenacai]

I've set the 5800X to 65W Eco Mode in the BIOS a few times, and I say a few times because I've noticed that despite saving the changes made in the BIOS, somehow at some point the PBO settings revert to the default / auto configuration without me knowing and it's kind of annoying having to go back into the BIOS and set it to 65W Eco Mode again or else this CPU will just cook itself and gulp power like its thirst can't be quenched.

I'm not eager to try tinkering with other settings in the BIOS and I miss the simplicity of using a 65W chip like the Ryzen 5 3600 which I upgraded from and a smaller cooler inside my case such as the Wraith Prism that I had mounted on the 3600.

If I knew AMD was gonna launch the 5700X (along with a new line of CPUs), I would never have bought the 5800X at the time that I did. I bought the 5800X near the end of December in 2021 after debating between it and the 5700G while they were on sale, AMD then launches the 5700X just 4 months later (April 4th 2022)....

[GuiltySpark_]

5700x is certainly what the 5800x should have been, but being a 5800x owner since launch (and still am, though i don't use it as much also owning a 7900x and 7800x3D) I'd never even consider swapping it for a 5700x. Just no need anymore. With proper CO undervolting or even power limiting, its plenty easy to keep cool.

 

If you're going to buy a new CPU, buy a 5800x3D and actually gain something from the deal, though not much.

[podkall]

4 minutes ago, Sensenacai said:

I miss the simplicity of using a 65W chip like the Ryzen 5 3600 which I upgraded from

so why did you upgrade?

 

4 minutes ago, Sensenacai said:

I bought the 5800X near the end of December in 2021 after debating between it and the 5700G while they were on sale, AMD then launches the 5700X just 4 months later (April 4th 2022)....

are you worried about electricity bill or the warmth the CPU can get when loaded?

 

[Agall]

13 minutes ago, Sensenacai said:

I've set the 5800X to 65W Eco Mode in the BIOS a few times, and I say a few times because I've noticed that despite saving the changes made in the BIOS, somehow at some point the PBO settings revert to the default / auto configuration without me knowing and it's kind of annoying having to go back into the BIOS and set it to 65W Eco Mode again or else this CPU will just cook itself and gulp power like its thirst can't be quenched.

I'm not eager to try tinkering with other settings in the BIOS and I miss the simplicity of using a 65W chip like the Ryzen 5 3600 which I upgraded from and a smaller cooler inside my case such as the Wraith Prism that I had mounted on the 3600.

If I knew AMD was gonna launch the 5700X (along with a new line of CPUs), I would never have bought the 5800X at the time that I did. I bought the 5800X near the end of December in 2021 after debating between it and the 5700G while they were on sale, AMD then launches the 5700X just 4 months later (April 4th 2022)....

Just turn on ECO mode and set the TDP to 65W. If that's somehow not working, I'd investigate deeper into it, like making sure you're hitting 'save and exit' or you're not running Ryzen Master in the background in an OC profile.

[Sensenacai]

10 minutes ago, GuiltySpark_ said:

5700x is certainly what the 5800x should have been, but being a 5800x owner since launch (and still am, though i don't use it as much also owning a 7900x and 7800x3D) I'd never even consider swapping it for a 5700x. Just no need anymore. With proper CO undervolting or even power limiting, its plenty easy to keep cool.

 

If you're going to buy a new CPU, buy a 5800x3D and actually gain something from the deal, though not much.

Hmm I guess so. I just don't feel like the 5800X offers me peace of mind lol

 

Does the "CO" in your comment stand for curve optimizer? I am assuming that the 65W Eco Mode already limits the PPT to 88W.

[Sensenacai]

10 minutes ago, podkall said:

so why did you upgrade?

 

are you worried about electricity bill or the warmth the CPU can get when loaded?

 

I wanted an 8-core CPU.

 

And yea I'm worried about both. Should have probably gone with the 5700G at the time.

[Sensenacai]

7 minutes ago, Agall said:

Just turn on ECO mode and set the TDP to 65W. If that's somehow not working, I'd investigate deeper into it, like making sure you're hitting 'save and exit' or you're not running Ryzen Master in the background in an OC profile.

I did all of that which is mentioned in my post, no Ryzen Master on my PC though.

[podkall]

1 minute ago, Sensenacai said:

And yea I'm worried about both

you'll be fine on the temperature terms:

[PDifolco]

11 minutes ago, Sensenacai said:

I wanted an 8-core CPU.

 

And yea I'm worried about both. Should have probably gone with the 5700G at the time.

You're worrying for not much, max power draw of a 5800x is around 100w and you could get better coolers for $40

[Origami Cactus]

Absolutely no point. The 5700 is the 5800x, just with lower power limits.

I don't understand why you have a weird complex with turning on the ECO mode in the bios, it is literally what the 5700 is.

If you have an allergy against the word "ECO" for some reason, open the advanced panel in bios and type "65w" in yourself.

 

There is no point in downgrading, as 5800x is the higher grade of silicon between the 2. That means, when limited to the same exact power limit, it will run faster. (potentially)
 

As far as chip cooking itself goes, again just your personal phobia, not a real thing.

 

So just set the chip to 65w limit and you are done. Bios can't change settings on its own. It only reverts back to default if you update bios to a newer version, or if you don't have the bios battery inside the motherboard.

[-rascal-]

16 minutes ago, Sensenacai said:

I wanted an 8-core CPU.

 

And yea I'm worried about both. Should have probably gone with the 5700G at the time.

 

No point getting a 5700G, or any G-series APU, if you are NOT going to use the iGPU...or already are using a graphics card.

Your best logical option is to get the ECO mode sorted out.

 

It doesn't make sense to sell your 5800X at a loss, and then downgrade to 5700X.

[mariushm]

The difference between 5700x and 5800x is like 10-20 watts in power consumption.

Your cpu doesn't consume 100 watts all the time, the power varies according to load, so if you idle then 5700x will consume about as much as 5800x.

 

You'd be saving a few kWh a month, that's literally under a few dollars or euro a month.

[Somerandomtechyboi]

Let it run up to 90c, cpu will run for decades at tjmax without issue

 

You are simply wasting performance potential if you arent using all the temp headroom you have, exception being when volts get somewhat high (>1.4v) youll hit volt rollover maybe even below 90c

[podkall]

a valid point lot of people have, is that

 

you would pay for 5700x much more than in terms of electricity cost running a 5800x

[Sensenacai]

7 minutes ago, Origami Cactus said:

Absolutely no point. The 5700 is the 5800x, just with lower power limits.

I don't understand why you have a weird complex with turning on the ECO mode in the bios, it is literally what the 5700 is.

If you have an allergy against the word "ECO" for some reason, open the advanced panel in bios and type "65w" in yourself.

 

There is no point in downgrading, as 5800x is the higher grade of silicon between the 2. That means, when limited to the same exact power limit, it will run faster. (potentially)
 

As far as chip cooking itself goes, again just your personal phobia, not a real thing.

 

So just set the chip to 65w limit and you are done. Bios can't change settings on its own. It only reverts back to default if you update bios to a newer version, or if you don't have the bios battery inside the motherboard.

I don't understand the first part of your response. Setting the power limit to 65W Eco Mode is exactly what I've been doing...

 

Last time I flashed a BIOS update was right before I installed the 5800X. My motherboard has saved the XMP profile I set for my RAM but doesn't seem to keep the 65W Eco Mode for long.

[-rascal-]

2 minutes ago, Sensenacai said:

I don't understand the first part of your response. Setting the power limit to 65W Eco Mode is exactly what I've been doing...

 

Last time I flashed a BIOS update was right before I installed the 5800X. My motherboard has saved the XMP profile I set for my RAM but doesn't seem to keep the 65W Eco Mode for long.

What motherboard (make and model) and version BIOS are you currently using?

Knowing the CPU cooler you are using is helpful too.

(Since you haven't given us any system specifications information)

[Origami Cactus]

1 minute ago, Sensenacai said:

I don't understand the first part of your response. Setting the power limit to 65W Eco Mode is exactly what I've been doing...

 

Last time I flashed a BIOS update was right before I installed the 5800X. My motherboard has saved the XMP profile I set for my RAM but doesn't seem to keep the 65W Eco Mode for long.

Then that is a weird issue with your motherboard, don't know what else to tell you, as nothing should be changing your bios settings.

Either way as everyone has said, don't do the exhange, as 5800x is higher grade silicon, and just doesn't make sense to downgrade while taking a loss.

My bios settings remain as I set them, so idk. make sure you save the bios, you could even save the eco mode into the default bios settings on some motherboards, play around, see what you can do.

[Sensenacai]

16 minutes ago, PDifolco said:

You're worrying for not much, max power draw of a 5800x is around 100w and you could get better coolers for $40

I was hoping to pull out the Wraith Prism from storage and use it again if I got a 5700X because its my favorite CPU cooler but it looks like the downgrade would be an unnecessary expense. Right now I have a Noctua NH-C14S mounted on the 5800X but it seems like this chip is meant to run hot anyway.

[Sensenacai]

16 minutes ago, -rascal- said:

 

No point getting a 5700G, or any G-series APU, if you are NOT going to use the iGPU...or already are using a graphics card.

Your best logical option is to get the ECO mode sorted out.

 

It doesn't make sense to sell your 5800X at a loss, and then downgrade to 5700X.

True. I have a 6700 XT and two backup GPUs (8GB RX 480 and an 8GB Radeon Pro W5700) so no point to the iGPU. It's mostly the 65W TDP of the 5700G that I was interested in at the time.

[GuiltySpark_]

4 minutes ago, Sensenacai said:

but it seems like this chip is meant to run hot anyway.

That's been something AMD has tried to make clear since before Zen3's launch, and that its normal. 

 

The 8-core single CCD parts being the worst of the bunch. 

[Sensenacai]

17 minutes ago, mariushm said:

The difference between 5700x and 5800x is like 10-20 watts in power consumption.

Your cpu doesn't consume 100 watts all the time, the power varies according to load, so if you idle then 5700x will consume about as much as 5800x.

 

You'd be saving a few kWh a month, that's literally under a few dollars or euro a month.

True. I think I just got used to running a cooler CPU like the Ryzen 5 3600.

[-rascal-]

5 minutes ago, Sensenacai said:

I was hoping to pull out the Wraith Prism from storage and use it again if I got a 5700X because its my favorite CPU cooler but it looks like the downgrade would be an unnecessary expense. Right now I have a Noctua NH-C14S mounted on the 5800X but it seems like this chip is meant to run hot anyway.

 

That CPU cooler should be sufficient.

 

What motherboard (make + model) are you running?

What version BIOS, too?

[GuiltySpark_]

2 minutes ago, Sensenacai said:

True. I think I just got used to running a cooler CPU like the Ryzen 5 3600.

Robert Hallock, the then Director of Technical Marketing back around Zen3's launch:

 

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Yes. I want to be clear with everyone that AMD views temps up to 90C (5800X/5900X/5950X) and 95C (5600X) as typical and by design for full load conditions. Having a higher maximum temperature supported by the silicon and firmware allows the CPU to pursue higher and longer boost performance before the algorithm pulls back for thermal reasons.

Is it the same as Zen 2 or our competitor? No. But that doesn't mean something is "wrong." These parts are running exactly as-designed, producing the performance results we intend.

 

[Sensenacai]

17 minutes ago, podkall said:

a valid point lot of people have, is that

 

you would pay for 5700x much more than in terms of electricity cost running a 5800x

Yea I guess it would be an unnecessary and costly expense. I may as well get the 5800X3D like someone else commented or move to AM5 with a Ryzen 7 7700 non-X if I had to upgrade.

[Sensenacai]

7 minutes ago, Origami Cactus said:

Then that is a weird issue with your motherboard, don't know what else to tell you, as nothing should be changing your bios settings.

Either way as everyone has said, don't do the exhange, as 5800x is higher grade silicon, and just doesn't make sense to downgrade while taking a loss.

My bios settings remain as I set them, so idk. make sure you save the bios, you could even save the eco mode into the default bios settings on some motherboards, play around, see what you can do.

Yea might as well just keep the 5800X and focus on getting the BIOS settings fixed in place.