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Just now, Mutex01 said:

To be fair, they never said "she has no proof", they said "The burden of proof is upon her to substantiate things"

 

People have the right to withhold judgement upon LTT when they don't have enough information about what happened..  

That does not preclude supporting Madison in what was obviously a traumatic experience for her.

 

Sharpening pitchforks is not the only way to support someone.

I don't need to withhold judgment on LTT because again, on the balance of probabilities, something shitty did happen to her there. It doesn't mean every single person there is responsible or I think they should burn it all to the ground, but I hope eventually there is some responsibility taken and someone is held accountable if it turns out the extent of things were that bad, that simple. 

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This will be my last post on this topic, and then I am going to go back to not paying any attention to the internet for today.

 

I am going to copy a post from Floatplane that I think really sums all of this up, and how we should be behaving.

 

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If there's any stance people should be taking to heart right now, it's patience and benefit of the doubt. But this applies equally to LMG and Madison, irrespective of which "truth" is more convenient just to keep the content flowing. Innocent until proven guilty does not mean that Madison is a liar until proven otherwise.

What LMG is doing is perfectly correct, taking Madisons comments seriously, investigating, and taking the appropriate actions. But at the same time, Madison does not deserve any shade/hate/vitriol sent her way either, and should be treated with compassion. It's ok to simultaneously give LMG the benefit of the doubt that they're taking this seriously, and also give Madison the benefit of the doubt that her allegations have sufficient merit to be worth investigating. It's not about picking a side, it's about giving this whole process the space and time it needs to properly play out.

Publicly speculating one way or another as to who's right/wrong/lying/covering up doesn't help the process, and if anything, puts pressure on LMG to try and speed things up when more in depth introspection would be more appropriate. I'm still here because I believe LMG will do the right thing regardless of what uncomfortable truths they might find, or in other words, I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt.

 

I hope to come back later and find that the topic hasn't continued to spiral into trolling, name calling, and a circular firing squad of people trying to belittle and "be right" vs. other people.


Have a good one everyone.

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3 minutes ago, yoc said:

You are seriously going off topic with your shenanigans. Are you trying to derail this topic? Spam is not the way.

No, not at all. I am trying to gauge the situation. Thats all. Among all the mudslinging, we kinda forgot to ask, what the accuser wants. 

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1 minute ago, Reclus said:

I will not be getting into an argument with a child. Go read a book before drinking your milk and going to bed. School starts early tomorrow and you really need it.

It's because you predictably don't have any actual argument, or at least one that a 10 year old couldn't defeat with a 5 minute google search. GG

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7 minutes ago, Silvy said:

I agree with you. I didn't say it shouldn't be investigated. In fact, I think it would be silly not to. I am just saying, the investigation should come first before just instantly throwing insults, joining in on a hate mob, cheering for the downfall of someone. Let's first check to see what we can learn about the situation. Find evidence, talk with people who work there, and see if there is anyone who has witnessed these things. This is the correct way to go about it. And if anyone is at fault, let's find out.

Yup. 

Only thing I recommend people not to is to put all their trust into a company, and marginally into people. Be prepared to be disappointed if someone ends up proven wrong. That goes both ways and sideways. The best outcome is that LMG in any form gets out stronger than before, and no innocent person loses their job, while the people being wronged are vindicated. After all, people are people, companies are companies, and the actions of some fall on them. Companies can only be blamed for not listening, but they don't have feelings and can take it. 

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3 minutes ago, JoNBoY said:


Some of the things she said remind me of this person while she may have believed it was toxic or to much work for 1 person doesn’t make it so… or maybe it was my point is this person above is crying about how bad starbucks is and having to work a 8 hour day short staffed ngl is a funny video but in this person mind it’s hell on earth. Their truth doesn’t make it the truth or maybe it’s all true a lmg is a toxic misogynistic environment where the culture of groping people is acceptable and they treat their staff like shit who knows. What I do know is this few months from now people will forget and stop caring there are so many examples of this, so those who want lmg cancelled better act fast because time is running out.

Also if this was a bloke from lmg no one would have given a shit just saying 

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7 minutes ago, Chairman Boofy said:

You've been accusing her of lying by saying she has no proof, thus implying you feel its safe to dismiss her outright. If you don't get that, you're just dense.

You're calling me dense? Stop with the personal attacks, just because you don't like the I'm suspending belief.

7 minutes ago, Chairman Boofy said:

Like what "proof" do you want her to provide when she say she was touched inappropriately? A photo of someone's hand on her ass? Some of you people are egregiously gross lol

Proof, as in an HR email or an email to her superior about being sexuality assaulted, or a report to the police, or even a testament from someone who was there.

 

The fact she didn't report any of this to WorkSafe is odd.

7 minutes ago, Chairman Boofy said:

But yeah, the last part of that comment totally confirms the "hates women" part lmao

This is just a blatant attack on my character because you're mad. Get over it. 

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10 minutes ago, hmfaysal said:

Well agreed. Maddie claimed that her twitch fanbase is kinda gone(?). Also she complained, she didn't get much airtime on Youtube at LMG. So OnlyTubeLight now? Maybe, IDK. she needs to get money out of this fiasco, i dont care where it comes from, LMG, GN or OnlyAirConditioning. She deserves it

i didn't know the LTT fanbase was like this.

jesus...

 

well, some things make more sense now. 

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Just now, Sho2048 said:

Yup. 

Only thing I recommend people not to is to put all their trust into a company, and marginally into people. Be prepared to be disappointed if someone ends up proven wrong. That goes both ways and sideways. The best outcome is that LMG in any form gets out stronger than before, and no innocent person loses their job, while the people being wronged are vindicated. After all, people are people, companies are companies, and the actions of some fall on them. Companies can only be blamed for not listening, but they don't have feelings to be hurt, and can take it. 

Yeah, thats the thing. If there are wrongdoings on the companys part, someone loses their job. Great. Comes out stronger , hires new guy and moves on.

If Maddie is wrong, what does she lose? Thats something I am trying to understand. Just for literary purposes. I am learning a lot today in these threads

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1 minute ago, Guarana said:

i didn't know the LTT fanbase was like this.

jesus...

 

well, some things make more sense now. 

Its the internet what did you expect lol

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2 minutes ago, Guarana said:

i didn't know the LTT fanbase was like this.

jesus...

 

well, some things make more sense now. 

Welcome to the club

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1 minute ago, TeraSeraph said:

You're calling me dense? Stop with the personal attacks, just because you don't like the I'm suspending belief.

 

Proof, as in an HR email or an email to her superior about being sexuality assaulted, or a report to the police, or even a testament from someone who was there.

 

The fact she didn't report any of this to WorkSafe is odd.

This is just a blatant attack on my character because you're mad. Get over it. 

Not reporting it initially isn't odd at all, if you know anything about workplace dynamics and sexual harassment and the myriad reasons why someone wouldn't be comfortable coming out with it immediately.

 

And if your "character" is still whining about "SJWs" (lmao) in 2023 then sorry, you're just bringing it on yourself.

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Just now, hmfaysal said:

Yeah, thats the thing. If there are wrongdoings on the companys part, someone loses their job. Great. Comes out stronger , hires new guy and moves on.

If Maddie is wrong, what does she lose? Thats something I am trying to understand. Just for literary purposes. I am learning a lot today in these threads

There are no winners here. If she is wrong, nothing really happens. 

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3 minutes ago, Guarana said:

i didn't know the LTT fanbase was like this.

jesus...

 

well, some things make more sense now. 

Its a straight question, do you not believe she should get some money out of this?

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1 minute ago, Chairman Boofy said:

I don't need to withhold judgment on LTT because again, on the balance of probabilities, something shitty did happen to her there. It doesn't mean every single person there is responsible or I think they should burn it all to the ground, but I hope eventually there is some responsibility taken and someone is held accountable if it turns out the extent of things were that bad, that simple. 

I believe everyone would agree that if it turns out the extent of things were that bad, someone should be held accountable. 


I don't see how that position is very different than asking for evidence of wrongdoing before acting.   

 

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1 minute ago, Sho2048 said:

There are no winners here. If she is wrong, nothing really happens. 

Bingo

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5 minutes ago, Guarana said:

i didn't know the LTT fanbase was like this.

jesus...

 

well, some things make more sense now. 

I'm in sports communities that are like 1000x less toxic than LMG's most of the time.

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Just now, Mutex01 said:

I believe everyone would agree that if it turns out the extent of things were that bad, someone should be held accountable. 


I don't see how that position is very different than asking for evidence of wrongdoing before acting.   

 

For all you know there may be lots of evidence, doesn't mean it doesn't exist somewhere at the company or that the person making allegations is just gonna post all of it on twitter. Again, that's not my argument here - it's against the many posts in this thread dismissing it entirely because "muh evidence". She has zero obligation to show the whole world what evidence she may have. 

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My take on this is that Madison accusations are bad and should be taken very seriously, but the world isn't black and white and there is some truth (or at least no malice) to Linus responses so far.
We as outsiders don't have all the details, if it was as black as some here describe it then retention would have been abysmal, and the same for the other way around, I also think that LMG response to those accusations is logical and right (even if late) and I hope the process it start will give a satisfactory outcome.

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7 minutes ago, Chairman Boofy said:

It's because you predictably don't have any actual argument, or at least one that a 10 year old couldn't defeat with a 5 minute google search. GG

(4) How a False Accusation Almost Ruined my Life. - YouTube

(4) Falsely Accused of Rape: 'My Two-Year Nightmare' | This Morning - YouTube

(4) How Does It Feel To Be Falsely Accused? - YouTube

(4) Family Disowned Me After My Cousin Accused Me Of Touching Her & It Almost Destroyed My Life 10y Ago - YouTube

(4) Man Says False Accusations ‘Turned His Life Upside-Down’ - YouTube

(4) Eleanor Williams jailed over false rape claims - YouTube

(4) "She Should Get Life in Jail" - Man Falsely Accused By Eleanor Williams - YouTube

(4) FALSE ACCUSATIONS: Yes I Want To Scare You - YouTube

(4) Rape charge dropped against USC student after video surfaces - YouTube

(4) Amber Heard warned of perjury risk after being accused of changing abuse allegation - YouTube

(4) Connecticut college student gets 1 year in prison for false rape accusation - YouTube

You are right took 5 min.

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5 minutes ago, aminit said:

My take on this is that Madison accusations are bad and should be taken very seriously, but the world isn't black and white and there is some truth (or at least no malice) to Linus responses so far.
We as outsiders don't have all the details, if it was as black as some here describe it then retention would have been abysmal, and the same for the other way around, I also think that LMG response to those accusations is logical and right (even if late) and I hope the process it start will give a satisfactory outcome.

It's important to keep in mind that this isn't even necessarily a one is right and the other is wrong scenario either. They could both be lying and the truth is somewhere in the middle. We don't know until we get more facts.

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It is also worth pointing out that us being super invested in this makes this even harder as both are under extreme pressure to win over the public opinion and would have more temptation to lie than they otherwise would to cut down on public backlash against them.

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5 minutes ago, Chairman Boofy said:

Not reporting it initially isn't odd at all, if you know anything about workplace dynamics and sexual harassment and the myriad reasons why someone wouldn't be comfortable coming out with it immediately.

It can be reported anonymously with nothing tying back to the person involved. I'm saying it's odd when the option is readily available and would actually cause change in her workplace. 

 

Staying silent gives your abusers power and mutes your voice in the matter. I guess this is hindsight, but I hope she learned something from this whole thing. 

5 minutes ago, Chairman Boofy said:

And if your "character" is still whining about "SJWs" (lmao) in 2023 then sorry, you're just bringing it on yourself.

Sorry, I'll call them White knights from now on. Sorry for being so out of touch with slang.

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5 minutes ago, schwarzerrogen said:

I'm in sports communities that are like 1000x less toxic than LMG's most of the time.

I am into reefing communities, and those are toxicity free. Only the serenity of the sea inside glass boxes. 

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