Madison reveals experiences working at LMG

[Chairman Boofy]

5 minutes ago, RatKnight said:

Ah, yes.... the age old "insult the person, not the argument".

 

I have intentionally, throughout this thread, avoided name calling, or attacks on people.  Attacking ideas, opinions... all of that is fine.  Attacking people just proves that you have nothing intelligent to say.

Claiming "the truth is somewhere in the middle" like a fence sitting teenager is already saying a lack of anything intelligent. So just meeting you where you're at my man. 

[hmfaysal]

Just now, yoc said:

The civil and well reasoned discussion really have fallen on this one, hum?

It has fallen when GN published their attack piece. And Madison took the war on Twitter. 

I say, let everyone duke it out online. Costing anyone nothing other than some hdd space on some database on the cloud

[hmfaysal]

1 minute ago, Orthusaku said:

So you are saying she is lying?

Yeah, could be, innocent until proven guilty, right?

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3 minutes ago, yoc said:

The civil and well reasoned discussion really have fallen on this one, hum?

A while ago

[Waifu4Life]

2 minutes ago, Sho2048 said:

And that’s your biggest problem in this thread? Not the rampant misogyny, not the cringy posts about “making LTT great again”?

 

This community needs a deep look back at itself. And a ton of grass touching. 

Not everyone has been brainwashed by social media in thinking that these modern day kangaroo trials should be a deciding factor in modern society.

[Chairman Boofy]

6 minutes ago, TeraSeraph said:

Allegations aren't proof unless substantiated with evidence which there has been none so far from Madison. 

And in recent years in a lot of high profile cases where serious allegations were made (and at first ignored) eventually turned out to be true, which is why people like Harvey Weinstein are in prison. 

 

Anyone with half is brain is inclined to believe that something happened, even if every fine detail isn't exactly correct.  But we get it, you hate women. 

[TeraSeraph]

Just now, Chairman Boofy said:

And in recent years in a lot of high profile cases where serious allegations were made (and at first ignored) eventually turned out to be true, which is why people like Harvey Weinstein are in prison. 

 

Anyone with half is brain is inclined to believe that something happened, even if every fine detail isn't exactly correct.  But we get it, you hate women. 

What's your point? 

 

Do you think we're all going to blindly believe her bold accusations without proof? Do you think we're fools?

[Evelyn Harthbrooke]

1 minute ago, hmfaysal said:

No, monetary compensations usually have limits in BC, also, she is based in States. Another point, it also depends on the entities financial capability, people can always claim bankruptcy. Also courts usually don't throw sentences at accusers, for social reasons. 

She's actually a Canadian citizen, from what I heard online. She was staying with family with Arizona before the whole hiring by LMG, then she moved to Vancouver because of it, but before Arizona and LMG she lived in Alberta. I don't know if she is back in the U.S. or not, but for all intents and purposes, she is Canadian. 

[MarvinKMooney]

 I can’t pretend to know who Madison is speaking about on the LMG side of things or even if it took place, but I can definitely believe her when she says the community itself harassed her via sexual pics and comments non-stop. Everyone can be outraged at LMG, but don’t forget the community itself caused their fair share of harm to her and many others. Everyone jumping to conclusions that it was this person or that person is far from helping the situation. I’m willing to say that we, the community, or even society as a whole, failed her and many others just as much as any company has. This whole thing just shows how blood-hungry everyone is. Both sides are innocent and both sides are guilty, us included.

[TeraSeraph]

4 minutes ago, Orthusaku said:

So you are saying she is lying?

No, I'm suspending my beliefs until something is proven. 

[yoc]

Just now, hmfaysal said:

It has fallen when GN published their attack piece. And Madison took the war on Twitter. 

I say, let everyone duke it out online. Costing anyone nothing other than some hdd space on some database on the cloud

Oh, the war... I see. You are more a "keep that bitch shut" type of person, right?

[Alex T88]

7 minutes ago, TeraSeraph said:

Allegations aren't proof unless substantiated with evidence which there has been none so far from Madison. 

That's true and a valid point, but in a court of law, not in the "court" of public opinion. Of course, in order for the matter to be made clear and sorted out, through any lawful ways, substantiated evidence must be presented. As I stated in other comments, I have no reason whatsoever to distrust what she is saying. Especially that her statements have been corroborated directly and indirectly by 2 of her former colleagues, as far as I know. Of course, everybody has the freedom to believe what they want. 

[Sho2048]

5 minutes ago, Waifu4Life said:

Not everyone has been brainwashed by social media in thinking that these modern day kangaroo trials should be a deciding factor in modern society.

You don’t really need to go on social media to have a grasp on the reality that is being a victim of bullying and sexual harassment, and the shame and prejudice that people like you put on victims, which then get immediately attacked when they come forward, by people like you, on forum like this. You only need to talk to women. Not the JPG kind. The actual, flesh and blood, women, that are out there.

 

I wonder if Linus himself would be proud of the stuff I’m reading here. 

[Cosmic Emotion]

1 minute ago, hmfaysal said:

Yeah, could be, innocent until proven guilty, right?

I will keep saying this until people realize it. It doesn't matter what you think about innocence/blame/the Sun/ God/ potatoe chips/whatever. Public consensus is what truly matter and it's really against Linus. People keep bringing up other examples like Logan Paul, Blizzard etc. These are irrelevant cause, unfortunately for Linus, his fans have brains. You are 100 people here defending him here (or even blaming Madison), another 1000 on Reddit. That's all. You can't beat the rest 15.4 million.

[Majestic12]

14 minutes ago, evelynharthbrooke said:

Madison does have stuff to lose. If a lawsuit is filed if the allegations turn out to be false, and she's found guilty, she will more than likely have to pay LMG monetary damages on top of fully retracting her statements or even be sent to jail for lying about a serious offense.

 

So no, she doesn't not have anything to lose.

LMG is NEVER going to sue her, NEVER. Even if they discover internally she massively exaggerated accusations out of spite they still wouldn't. The backlash would be insane because no-one would trust the results of their investigation and the court case would drag on for years and speculations would cause massive damage to LMG's reputation (which it already has but not to this magnitude).

 

Madison does have her reputation to lose for what that's worth. After having left LMG she would likely have faded in obscurity and you might say she posted this "testimony" because she wished to come back into the limelight and this is one of the opinions you see floating around as to why she did it regardless of whether her accusations are true or not. It's more likely she felt wronged by LMG and also felt it wasn't right that they acted as if they were this cool friendly company when she had experienced a darker side and wanted to expose it as a kind of retribution for what she had gone through. The Gamer Nexus "hit piece" opened the door to do this and she took her chance.

[RatKnight]

1 minute ago, Majestic12 said:

LMG is NEVER going to sue her, NEVER. Even if they discover internally she massively exaggerated accusations out of spite they still wouldn't. The backlash would be insane because no-one would trust the results of their investigation and the court case would drag on for years and speculations would cause massive damage to LMG's reputation (which it already has but not to this magnitude).

 

Madison does have her reputation to lose for what that's worth. After having left LMG she would likely have faded in obscurity and you might say she posted this "testimony" because she wished to come back into the limelight and this is one of the opinions you see floating around as to why she did it regardless of whether her accusations are true or not. It's more likely she felt wronged by LMG and also felt it wasn't right that they acted as if they were this cool friendly company when she had experienced a darker side and wanted to expose it as a kind of retribution for what she had gone through. 

The only way I could see them suing, in this reality at least, is if they had ridiculously indisputable proof that she was lying, or exaggerating immensely, and even then I think all they would sue for would be a retraction of the statements, and that she post an apology... you can't get water from a stone, and the amount of reputational damage they have taken isn't something that can be reimbursed by a person.

 

All that being said, I live in the real world, and you are correct, they are never going to sue her.

[Evelyn Harthbrooke]

11 minutes ago, Sho2048 said:

And that’s your biggest problem in this thread? Not the rampant misogyny, not the cringy posts about “making LTT great again”?

 

This community needs a deep look back at itself. And a ton of grass touching. 

Absolutely not. Misogny is severely bad. But people can and should point it out without petty insults like avatar or username attacks. Toxicity is bad, and always has been. I know this first-hand because I used to be a toxic person years ago and I have worked severely hard to try and kill that part of my personality.

 

As for the cringy posts, I haven't read this entire thread. It is just too big to completely read through. But I agree that the community needs to work on improving itself and treating people better.

[Chairman Boofy]

8 minutes ago, TeraSeraph said:

What's your point? 

 

Do you think we're all going to blindly believe her bold accusations without proof? Do you think we're fools?

No, I think your a misogynist much like most guys who automatically dismiss anything a woman says. So yeah, that makes you a fool by default I guess. 

[RatKnight]

Just now, evelynharthbrooke said:

Absolutely not. Misogny is severely bad. But people can and should point it out without petty insults like avatar or username attacks. Toxicity is bad, and always has been. I know this first-hand because I used to be a toxic person years ago and I have worked severely hard to try and kill that part of my personality.

 

As for the cringy posts, I haven't read this entire thread. It is just too big to completely read through. But I agree that the community needs to work on improving itself and treating people better.

You haven't missed much.  Most of it is just repeats of the last 5 pages, over and over, like a never ending circle.

[TeraSeraph]

3 minutes ago, Alex T88 said:

That's true and a valid point, but in a court of law, not in the "court" of public opinion. Of course, in order for the matter to be made clear and sorted out, through any lawful ways, substantiated evidence must be presented. As I stated in other comments, I have no reason whatsoever to distrust what she is saying. Especially that her statements have been corroborated directly and indirectly by 2 of her former colleagues, as far as I know. Of course, everybody has the freedom to believe what they want. 

Good thing I don't give a fuck about misguided public opinion, beyond people turning it into a rage fueled Witch hunt.

 

 I just want proper channels to be followed and some sort of relevant evidence presented that isn't subjectively based. 

[hmfaysal]

11 minutes ago, evelynharthbrooke said:

She's actually a Canadian citizen, from what I heard online. She was staying with family with Arizona before the whole hiring by LMG, then she moved to Vancouver because of it, but before Arizona and LMG she lived in Alberta. I don't know if she is back in the U.S. or not, but for all intents and purposes, she is Canadian. 

Still okay, then BC laws apply, fine by me

[TeraSeraph]

1 minute ago, Chairman Boofy said:

No, I think your a misogynist much like most guys who automatically dismiss anything a woman says. So yeah, that makes you a fool by default I guess. 

I'm a transwoman lol nice try bud

[wreakinghavoc]

I hope more people go public regarding what has and hasn't happened, but I've watched Madison's livestreams before and even though she can be funny and entertaining she gives off a somewhat dramatic and immature vibe. I believe it's possible she was mistreated, after all her presence in the ROG reboot made the video one of the most famous from the company, maybe some people were jealous of her.  Couldn't she have taken the issue to Linus and Yvonne directly? Did they really dismiss all of it like she said? 

[Chairman Boofy]

8 minutes ago, TeraSeraph said:

No, I'm suspending my beliefs until something is proven. 

This is a cowardly copout. By asserting that "there's no proof!!!!111", you are intrinsically implying that she's lying unless shown otherwise. At least own your own beliefs lol.

[Sho2048]

 

6 minutes ago, evelynharthbrooke said:

Absolutely not. Misogny is severely bad. But people can and should point it out without petty insults like avatar or username attacks. Toxicity is bad, and always has been. I know this first-hand because I used to be a toxic person years ago and I have worked severely hard to try and kill that part of my personality.

 

As for the cringy posts, I haven't read this entire thread. It is just too big to completely read through. But I agree that the community needs to work on improving itself and treating people better.

And here is the guy you're defending:

4 minutes ago, Waifu4Life said:

You can white knight all you want, no one will sleep with you because of it.

I don't really need to say more, do I.