Madison reveals experiences working at LMG

[Absentia13]

11 hours ago, Neroon said:

If she feared all that, why did she immediately after she parted ways with LMG, go online to imply more was going on? If you are worried about retaliation, that's the last thing you want to do.

 

Oh please, I've heard way wilder stories then this. Almost everyone in my team has been accused sexual abuse of a 16 year old girl at the grouphome I work, we are all pedophiles, touched her etc. This is also a girl who has pulled a knife on us many times, also glass shards, broken plates, chairs etc. If you think there aren't people that make up so much shit, then you have no idea. Oh and to be clear, I had colleagues who at first didn't believe what we said either, and were sure there was some truth to what she said, until they were the ones getting accused.

Plenty of crazy people are out there, don't you worry about that... or do.

 

In the end, she offers 0 context. Why do you think that is? There is a reason for that, think long and hard about why someone doesn't want to offer context.

So you're just equating some crazy person who tried to knife you to a girl who worked at LMG doing social media stuff? Maybe your problem is that you can't separate YOU from anything else. Just because something you saw happened in a certain way doesn't mean it's that way in every situation. I feel like this shouldn't even need to be said. But since it does, I guess that says a lot about you. Move along. 

[nyanbinary]

[GhostSix]

Personally, after seeing all the stuff going on. If an independent investigator is coming in, then the findings either in document form or a video should be released, raw and unedited.   The tendency to make things look slick have a negative effect when it comes to stuff like this.  I'm hoping there was more of a disagreement rather than harassment however we will have to wait for the findings.

[GitGudDandy]

1 hour ago, dominikremes said:

Well, I've definitely seen at least 2 of her posts that kinda cancel each other out. First she wrote that she was told something inappropriate and she quit 15 minutes after. In an other twitter post, she was replying to someone who asked how she had the stomach to quit, she wrote, that she started applying to jobs and she accepted an offer and quit. Did she do it in 15 minutes? I mean, an interview usually takes at least 30 minutes to an hour in my experience, soo, I don't really believe her. Think she was just mad for having to do some work. Maybe with some real evidence she can change my mind, but right now, things just don't add up. I mean, it seems pretty unbelievable to have a job offered to you just around when someone tells you something you don't like.

These things do not cancel eachother out.

 

You can spend weeks looking for new work, and decide to hand in your notice earlier than you planned because of something that happens.

 

She had decided to look for work elsewhere, and the stupid and offensive remarks pushed her to file her notice 15 minutes later.

[stuffybear]

1 minute ago, nyanbinary said:

He just said that her story is consistent. Which does give it more merit. But does not prove anything more. 

 

Anyway, let the investigators investigate, dont go after anyone, be it the accuser or speculated who the accused might be and start a witch hunt. 

[digitalscream]

1 minute ago, stuffybear said:

He just said that her story is consistent. Which does give it more merit. But does not prove anything more. 

 

Anyway, let the investigators investigate, dont go after anyone, be it the accuser or speculated who the accused might be and start a witch hunt. 

More to the point, it proves that her story hasn't changed from back then - ie it's the same story she told him at the time. That's actually quite important.

 

The only other conclusion, with a tiny bit of supposition, is that he feels that it's believable enough to comment publicly and open himself up to the shitstorm.

[Guarana]

even if it had videos, it wouldn't be enough proof for some people.

 

good luck for LTT employees, I don't think (nor hope?) the company will ever recover from it. 

 

[Majestic12]

5 minutes ago, Absentia13 said:

So you're just equating some crazy person who tried to knife you to a girl who worked at LMG doing social media stuff? Maybe your problem is that you can't separate YOU from anything else. Just because something you saw happened in a certain way doesn't mean it's that way in every situation. I feel like this shouldn't even need to be said. But since it does, I guess that says a lot about you. Move along. 

Both of you use weird logic - he's right that there's plenty of crazy people, even ones that seem perfectly normal and sane but are capable of the most screwed up accusations but there's no evidence that this is the case here. There's ALSO no evidence that's she's speaking the (complete) truth and she IS keeping very vague and you can (and I already have) speculate about why this is but we need more than a few colleagues going "Yeah I heard about that" as evidence. 

[DakotaCx]

4 minutes ago, Guarana said:

even if it had videos, it wouldn't be enough proof for some people.

 

good luck for LTT employees, I don't think (nor hope?) the company will ever recover from it. 

 

I may be wrong, but as a general rule people generally only turn to posting/commenting/etc when they are upset. And when upset people see other upset people posting the create this echo chamber that skews their perception. I don't think the company is going anywhere.

[DakotaCx]

10 minutes ago, stuffybear said:

He just said that her story is consistent. Which does give it more merit. But does not prove anything more. 

 

Anyway, let the investigators investigate, dont go after anyone, be it the accuser or speculated who the accused might be and start a witch hunt. 

True, and only a fraction of her posts talk about any sort of harassment. The majority have to do with workload demands and demanding expectations, which is not a big story considering that's been talked about for a long time internally and externally. So he would have to be a little more clear in his tweet, which comes off as safe, to specify which part is in line, or both. He has the opportunity to do so, but hasn't. 

[Guarana]

1 minute ago, DakotaCx said:

I may be wrong, but as a general rule people generally only turn to posting/commenting/etc when they are upset. And when upset people see other upset people posting the create this echo chamber that skews their perception. I don't think the company is going anywhere.

Oh LTT probably won't go anywhere. I'm old enough to know that. I just don't think the company will be seen the same way it was before, nor I'm willing to give my money to a company sponsoring their videos. 

 

[Guarana]

one thing that bothers me is that in that LTT tweet regarding Madison's situation, Linus made it seem like he didn't know about that and he was willing to act to avoid those kinds of problems.

 

good I was ready to give him a pass.

 

but the leaked audio of the meeting not only corroborates her story but makes it clear as water that the whole company DID KNOW what was going on. Otherwise, there wouldn't be a meeting about it.

 

and James making a sex joke in a meeting about sexual harassment? wtf...

 

From the bottom of my heart, I wish all the best to Madison and also Emily and the other cool people that work there. You guys don't deserve this shitstorm and I hope you all can find a better place to work.

 

(my English sucks, so I'm sorry if I write anything wrong).

 

 

[Fnige]

1 hour ago, 620R said:

, calling a man "bald" is considered sex-related harassment

Tbh sex-related and sexual harassment are different things. One deals with the sex of the person (Male, Female, Intersex etc) and the other is generally related to sexual shenanigans. A bit of a nitpick but they are different things

[Super_goose_007]

1 hour ago, Majestic12 said:If you grab a colleague by the waist as if to dance, that can be "inappropriate" but this is not what people here are suspecting. They think they grabbed her boobs or ass. 

The answer is no, you don’t grab a colleague by the waist at your own discretion whenever you want wherever you want. 
 

That so many in this thread are questioning “inappropriate touching” as some kind of minefield of a grey area, is I’m sorry to say, on you, and unfortunately all the people who gets harassed by the “boys club mentality”. 
 

Not saying that females can’t do inappropriate touching too,sure they do, and it’s just as bad too.

[Absentia13]

17 minutes ago, Majestic12 said:

Both of you use weird logic - he's right that there's plenty of crazy people, even ones that seem perfectly normal and sane but are capable of the most screwed up accusations but there's no evidence that this is the case here. There's ALSO no evidence that's she's speaking the (complete) truth and she IS keeping very vague and you can (and I already have) speculate about why this is but we need more than a few colleagues going "Yeah I heard about that" as evidence. 

Why is it vague, because she didn't include timestamps? Seemed pretty specific to me. Another way to rationalize not believing someone unreasonably. Do I think everything she said happened exactly the way she said it? No. But there is too much there for it to be nothing. Apparently LMG agrees, with hiring an outside firm to investigate. 

[TakeTheL]

1. Gashing your own leg to the point of needing to have it stapled in an ER so that you can take time off of work is batshit crazy.

 

2. It appears that a #Metoo SuperKaren unstoppable force collided with a FTX sexual harassment rule ignoring nerd kingdom immovable object.

 

3. LTT will most likely end up with the short end of the stick.

 

 

 

 

 

[JollyJamma]

On 8/16/2023 at 7:33 AM, baK1 said:

any comments on this, linus? what the fuck???

These allegations are very congruent as per LTT employees descriptions of working at LTT and the relentless demands on productivity. 

 

The sexual assault allegations are also realistic, she probably has some evidence that she does not need to make public, and there is possibly a fellow female LTT employee (current or former) who can corroborate a similar experience, all of which needs to be handled appropriately. 

 

ANY employee accused of sexual assault should be immediately suspended to allow for a proper investigation and fired if any wrongdoings are found with appropriate criminal chargers brought against them.

 

******IF********, and it's a huge IF, Madison has made up the allegations (which I don't think she has but it does need to be evidenced and I think she will be vindicated in the end given how detailed her tweets were), she should face relevant criminal charges. 

 

 

[digitalscream]

2 minutes ago, dago_mcj said:

Well, to the best of my knowledge it was jimbo. But let me make clear, just because he's said the phrase once on camera, doesn't necessarily mean he was the person who told Madison to do the same. But odds are odds.  I like his demeanor on camera, but I'm afraid I've also opened pandora's box. Maybe don't fire him? How about a demotion and make Riley head writer instead? Please? Don't ruin a career just because I brought up internet drama.

If anyone did get fired, it wouldn't be for using a phrase - that's only opening the door to investigate further to see if they're one of the ones Madison's talking about.

10 minutes ago, Super_goose_007 said:

Not saying that females can’t do inappropriate touching too,sure they do, and it’s just as bad too.

Indeed. As an autistic guy, I've had this happen a number of times earlier in my career. When I brought it up because it made me deeply uncomfortable (unexpected  and inappropriate physical contact kinda feels like an electric shock to me) as I understood you're supposed to, I was always told "Well, you should just appreciate the affection and be flattered".

 

My conclusion was that the boys' club mentality goes both ways, and both suck.

[Someona]

7 minutes ago, Absentia13 said:

Why is it vague, because she didn't include timestamps? Seemed pretty specific to me. Another way to rationalize not believing someone unreasonably. Do I think everything she said happened exactly the way she said it? No. But there is too much there for it to be nothing. Apparently LMG agrees, with hiring an outside firm to investigate. 

Reminds me of the joke

" - I don't believe someone can fake such story

- Bro have you watched Star Wars

"

[Majestic12]

1 minute ago, Absentia13 said:

Why is it vague, because she didn't include timestamps? Seemed pretty specific to me. Another way to rationalize not believing someone unreasonably. Do I think everything she said happened exactly the way she said it? No. But there is too much there for it to be nothing. Apparently LMG agrees without hiring an outside firm to investigate. 

There's zero details except for the notebook. She didn't say when it happened (doesn't need to be a timestamp but 'early 2023'), she didn't name any names or departments, she didn't talk about the situation it happened in (during a meeting, at her desk, during lunch, after work, ...), she didn't even specifically mention how she was grabbed leaving us to speculate.

If you were Linus and seeking to prevent this from happening again what would you do? He already had an HR meeting about it to make a global statement but the impact of this is far lower than if he could directly approach the people involved to hear their side of the story and to deal with them one-on-one if it turns out they did go over the line. But with information this vague, there's not much you can do. We need to wait for more details but I doubt we'll ever get those. This will likely be handled in private to protect all those involved because there's been a real witch hunt going on.

[digitalscream]

2 minutes ago, JollyJamma said:

******IF********, and it's a huge IF, Madison has made up the allegations (which I don't think she has but it does need to be evidenced and I think she will be vindicated in the end given how detailed her tweets were), she should face relevant criminal charges. 

Which criminal charges are those? Falsely accusing somebody of anything would require a name, and she hasn't given any. Even if she did, almost everything she's mentioned would fall under civil law, not criminal.

 

As things stand, she's accused a company of having an unsafe and inappropriate working environment. There may be civil penalties for that, should LMG want to take it further, but they'd be utterly insane to do that before completing their own investigations.

[DakotaCx]

9 minutes ago, TakeTheL said:

1. Gashing your own leg to the point of needing to have it stapled in an ER so that you can take time off of work is batshit crazy.

 

2. It appears that a #Metoo SuperKaren unstoppable force collided with a FTX sexual harassment rule ignoring nerd kingdom immovable object.

 

3. LTT will most likely end up with the short end of the stick.

 

 

 

 

 

My question is why would they opt to use staples for a leg laceration? As somebody who works in the ER, I find that odd but I guess things could be different up North. 

[TakeTheL]

Just now, DakotaCx said:

My question is why would they opt to use staples for a leg laceration? As somebody who works in the ER, I find that odd but I guess things could be different up North. 

In my personal experience, deep/larger lacerations sometimes get staples, shallow/smaller ones get stitches. At least that is what I remember from my BMX and skateboard says.

[djksm]

7 hours ago, JustWinz said:

Your post history is deranged. If the topic of sexual harassment is uncomfortable for you, imagine how uncomfortable the victims feel right now?

why didn't she get help, and its not even true yet that she was sexually harrased

[DakotaCx]

4 minutes ago, TakeTheL said:

In my personal experience, deep/larger lacerations sometimes get staples, shallow/smaller ones get stitches. At least that is what I remember from my BMX and skateboard says.

In my experience, staples are only ever used for head lacs. Deep lacerations require internal sutures (called "gut") which dissolve, with external sutures that are heavier in tensile strength to hold the wound together.