Latest PSU Tier List? And also, do I need a new PSU?

[KeyperOS]

I have a Ryzen 5800X on a Gigabyte X570 Aorus Master and recently I got an Asrock RX 7900 XT "Phantom Gaming OC".

It's a slightly factory OCed version that requires a 750W PSU to run.

Previous to that I had an MSI 1070 non-Ti (I cleanly removed the nvidia drivers before installing the new GPU and AMD drivers).

 

Ever since then, when I play games I will get crashes to the desktop and yesterday I got my first blue screen in forever.

My PSU is already 10 years old (a Silverstone ST1000-G - 1000W 80Plus Gold) so my first thought was that (second is the insanely high temperatures we've been having these past two weeks).

 

Seeing as this particular PSU has served me well for a literal decade, rather than rolling the dice I'm thinking I'd rather just replace it.

The most recent PSU Tier List I can find is "rev. 16.1" but that's from two years(?) ago.

 

- Am I right to suspect the PSU for the kind of issues I've been having? Anything else I should check first/as well? I never get a single issue while on the desktop/browsing/media consumption.
- Is there a more up-to-date tier list?

 

If I end up replacing it, I'm thinking I'd rather get a newer modular model that will be able to support the new GPU connector with a simple cable swap.

[Brooksie359]

With a higher power draw gpu you can easily get crashing issues if your psu isn't supplying good steady power. I had a psu that simply couldn't provide stable enough power for my gpu not to crash. Switched out the psu and my pc stopped crashing. That being said it could also just be a bad gpu as well or Maybe a bad overclock. 

[Ralf]

https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/

 

I would personally buy Corsair RMx Shift(if it fits your case) or RMx, unless you plan to buy a new one after 12V-2x6 comes out.

[KeyperOS]

5 hours ago, Ralf said:

https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/

 

I would personally buy Corsair RMx Shift(if it fits your case) or RMx, unless you plan to buy a new one after 12V-2x6 comes out.

No, I do not plan to buy a new PSU when the 12V-2x6 (or any other "next connector") comes out so I am looking for a quality modular unit that will serve me well for the next 5-10 years.

 

My case is the Lian Li Lancool II Mesh Performance: https://lian-li.com/product/lancool-ii-mesh/

 

In case it helps, right now for ~20euro difference I can get:
Corsair PSU RMX Shift Series 1000 W 80+ Gold
Asus PSU ROG STRIX Gold 1000G
Asus PSU ROG STRIX 1000W Aura Edition (I think that this one already supports the 12V-2x6 connector)

Corsair HXi Series 1000 W Platinum

Corsair PSU RMX Shift Series 1200 W 80+ Gold

 

Also found the Corsair HX Series 1000 W Platinum in clearance for 200 euro...

[Dedayog]

1 hour ago, KeyperOS said:

No, I do not plan to buy a new PSU when the 12V-2x6 (or any other "next connector") comes out so I am looking for a quality modular unit that will serve me well for the next 5-10 years.

 

My case is the Lian Li Lancool II Mesh Performance: https://lian-li.com/product/lancool-ii-mesh/

 

In case it helps, right now for ~20euro difference I can get:
Corsair PSU RMX Shift Series 1000 W 80+ Gold
Asus PSU ROG STRIX Gold 1000G
Asus PSU ROG STRIX 1000W Aura Edition (I think that this one already supports the 12V-2x6 connector)

Corsair HXi Series 1000 W Platinum

Corsair PSU RMX Shift Series 1200 W 80+ Gold

 

Also found the Corsair HX Series 1000 W Platinum in clearance for 200 euro...

Why go 1000w?

 

How much is this where you shop?  $109 USD for 750w Gold, Tier A on the Cultists list.  Plus importantly is the 10 year warranty.

 

https://www.newegg.com/super-flower-leadex-iii-sf-750f14hg-750w/p/1HU-024C-00006

 

[NobleGamer]

1 hour ago, Dedayog said:

Why go 1000w?

 

How much is this where you shop?  $109 USD for 750w Gold, Tier A on the Cultists list.  Plus importantly is the 10 year warranty.

 

https://www.newegg.com/super-flower-leadex-iii-sf-750f14hg-750w/p/1HU-024C-00006

 

Because if you look at gaming power draw tests of the GPU and CPU at 320W and 364W respectively with no OC & no spikes that's 684W right there.

 

8 hours ago, KeyperOS said:

It's a slightly factory OCed version that requires a 750W PSU to run.

 

So I get wanting more than 750W especially with your CPU. I'd be comfy with 850-900W which would cover GPU transient spikes, but I can understand 1000.

 

8 hours ago, KeyperOS said:

- Am I right to suspect the PSU for the kind of issues I've been having? Anything else I should check first/as well? I never get a single issue while on the desktop/browsing/media consumption.

I'll say that it's plausible, though PSU issues look like different things to different people. For me I had a RTX 3080 on a 7 year old 750W PSU with <500W total PC draw, and when benching SOTR with RTX On there was stutter when changing scenes and coil whine.

 

I got an RMX 850, moved the 750W to an old rig, and several boot ups later, 750 PSU popped with a puff of smoke and died, dunno if it fried my old parts.

 

If it's a software, driver, or OC issue then no PSU will fix that. For example, DX Mankind Divided crashed on me once an hour with PBO enabled on my 5600X. I cleared PBO, and it never happened again in my entire playthrough.

So I'd first try clearing all OC and doing a clean driver install (backup everything first then run DDU in safe mode).

[Dedayog]

4 minutes ago, NobleGamer said:

Because if you look at gaming power draw tests of the GPU and CPU at 320W and 364W respectively with no OC & no spikes that's 684W right there.

 

 

So I get wanting more than 750W especially with your CPU. I'd be comfy with 850-900W which would cover GPU transient spikes, but I can understand 1000.

 

I'll say that it's plausible, though PSU issues look like different things to different people. For me I had a RTX 3080 on a 7 year old 750W PSU with <500W total PC draw, and when benching SOTR with RTX On there was stutter when changing scenes and coil whine.

 

If it's a software, driver, or OC issue then no PSU will fix that. For example, DX Mankind Divided crashed on me once an hour with PBO enabled on my 5600X. I cleared PBO, and it never happened again in my entire playthrough.

So I'd first try clearing all OC and doing a clean driver install (backup everything first then run DDU in safe mode).

I'm sorry, 364w for a 5800X?

 

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-7-5800x-zen-3-review/3#:~:text=Ryzen 7 5800X Power Consumption%2C Thermals,-Image 1 of&text=Notably%2C AMD's decision to stick,for the new flagship models.

 

 

 

 

[KaitouX]

34 minutes ago, NobleGamer said:

Because if you look at gaming power draw tests of the GPU and CPU at 320W and 364W respectively with no OC & no spikes that's 684W right there.

That 364W includes the 2080Ti used in the test. The 175W number in the Multi-Threaded test is the most it will pull at stock, but realistically most people don't fully load both the CPU and GPU at the same time.

[KeyperOS]

I aimed at 1000W because:

- I want to keep it for a long time so I account for possible future upgrades (this time I chose the 7900 but if I had chosen the 6950 I'd need a 900W PSU)

- I also use mechanical drives (for data hoarding basically)

- in A-tier, the price difference for 850W and 1000W units is relatively small that I might as well.

 

Right now, even if it isn't the PSU I still think it prudent to retire a 10-year-old unit.

 

Only reason I hadn't done so already was that right now there aren't a lot of ATX 3.0-ready PSUs and I wanted to wait until I had options.

Case in point, I read the tier list and the A-tier ATX 3.0 were only 10 units, only two-or-three of which I would actually buy (availability/price/brand recognition etc).

 

If anything, I was surprised that Seasonic wasn't in that list (I saw for sale a Prime GX 1000W Full Modular 80 Plus Gold for ~200euro).

 

BTW, the PSUs I posted above were between 250~270 euro (except for the old HX that was in clearance).

 

 

[Brooksie359]

4 hours ago, NobleGamer said:

Because if you look at gaming power draw tests of the GPU and CPU at 320W and 364W respectively with no OC & no spikes that's 684W right there.

 

 

So I get wanting more than 750W especially with your CPU. I'd be comfy with 850-900W which would cover GPU transient spikes, but I can understand 1000.

 

I'll say that it's plausible, though PSU issues look like different things to different people. For me I had a RTX 3080 on a 7 year old 750W PSU with <500W total PC draw, and when benching SOTR with RTX On there was stutter when changing scenes and coil whine.

 

I got an RMX 850, moved the 750W to an old rig, and several boot ups later, 750 PSU popped with a puff of smoke and died, dunno if it fried my old parts.

 

If it's a software, driver, or OC issue then no PSU will fix that. For example, DX Mankind Divided crashed on me once an hour with PBO enabled on my 5600X. I cleared PBO, and it never happened again in my entire playthrough.

So I'd first try clearing all OC and doing a clean driver install (backup everything first then run DDU in safe mode).

That is whole system power consumption for the cpu and gpu that results on 360w not just the r7 5800x so your math is very wrong here. I mean prime 95 is the worst case scenario for the cpu and that still includes other things in the system that are drawing power. Also some gpus and cpus will become stable or unstable depending on how good of clean power delivery there is so yes a bad psu can make a overclock be unstable because of the unstable power delivery. 

[Brooksie359]

3 hours ago, KeyperOS said:

I aimed at 1000W because:

- I want to keep it for a long time so I account for possible future upgrades (this time I chose the 7900 but if I had chosen the 6950 I'd need a 900W PSU)

- I also use mechanical drives (for data hoarding basically)

- in A-tier, the price difference for 850W and 1000W units is relatively small that I might as well.

 

Right now, even if it isn't the PSU I still think it prudent to retire a 10-year-old unit.

 

Only reason I hadn't done so already was that right now there aren't a lot of ATX 3.0-ready PSUs and I wanted to wait until I had options.

Case in point, I read the tier list and the A-tier ATX 3.0 were only 10 units, only two-or-three of which I would actually buy (availability/price/brand recognition etc).

 

If anything, I was surprised that Seasonic wasn't in that list (I saw for sale a Prime GX 1000W Full Modular 80 Plus Gold for ~200euro).

 

BTW, the PSUs I posted above were between 250~270 euro (except for the old HX that was in clearance).

 

 

Don't let other discourage you from getting a better psu especially when your old one lasted 10 years. Of something can last 10 years then spending more now so that you don't ever have to replace it with a more powerful one is more than worth the money imo especially given how power hungry newer gpus have gotten. Personally I won't get a psu lower than 850 watt at this point simply because if you do your are restricting yourself from future upgrades. 

[Bagzie]

On 7/26/2023 at 9:14 AM, Ralf said:

https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/

 

I would personally buy Corsair RMx Shift(if it fits your case) or RMx, unless you plan to buy a new one after 12V-2x6 comes out.

That's a really good power supply , It's worth noting he can keep the quality level without it being as fancy with a HX platform which is cheaper.

 

A HX750 would be fine but might be worth going for a HX850.

[Dedayog]

14 hours ago, Brooksie359 said:

Don't let other discourage you from getting a better psu especially when your old one lasted 10 years. Of something can last 10 years then spending more now so that you don't ever have to replace it with a more powerful one is more than worth the money imo especially given how power hungry newer gpus have gotten. Personally I won't get a psu lower than 850 watt at this point simply because if you do your are restricting yourself from future upgrades. 

Good concept, but he needs to be wary of buying too much.  850-1000w for the future maybe?

 

The other side is that he has a 1000w PSU he bought and paid way too much for and never used fully  If he bought it for potential upgrades, he used money that could have gotten him more actual performance.

 

Buying for a possible future is neat, but I prefer to buy more for now.  That's at least guaranteed.  You can always get more money later.

 

Edit: If it's just a PSU purchase now, then go hog nuts.  If it's a total build, then allocation of funds is important.

[Brooksie359]

1 hour ago, Dedayog said:

Good concept, but he needs to be wary of buying too much.  850-1000w for the future maybe?

 

The other side is that he has a 1000w PSU he bought and paid way too much for and never used fully  If he bought it for potential upgrades, he used money that could have gotten him more actual performance.

 

Buying for a possible future is neat, but I prefer to buy more for now.  That's at least guaranteed.  You can always get more money later.

 

Edit: If it's just a PSU purchase now, then go hog nuts.  If it's a total build, then allocation of funds is important.

I mean yeah I could understand if they were buying a bunch of parts maybe not over spending on an unnecessarily high capacity psu but I definitely wouldn't cheap out on one either especially with the type of components op has. But yeah I think we both agree that if they are just buying the psu then getting a 1000w isn't really much of an issue especially because 1000w psu aren't all that more than say an 850w and personally I wouldn't go under 850w for a build like the one op has. That being said that is more of personal preference than requirement.

[KeyperOS]

Yeah, it's not a total build, just a PSU.

If anything, the PSU is THE one thing I had still kept from my previous build (other than additional disk storage).

 

In the past, I would get PSUs in the 650-750 range and they'd work for 2-3 years.

This one was actually a replacement for my previous Silverstone 750 80 plus silver unit.

It was in warranty, it was discontinued and out of stock so I ended up with this one for an extra 50 euro.

 

It served me so well that for the price difference (about 50 euro) I cannot think of a reason NOT to pay the extra.

In a complete system with a set budget I fully agree that proper funds allocation is extremely important.

 

While I still have your attention, other than the RMx Shift, are there any other units that stand above the rest?

Here we mostly have Corsair, BeQuiet, Seasonic as well as the Asus/Gigabyte/MSIs.

Thermaltake isn't very big and NZXT is... well... there.

 

Funny thing is, my issue MIGHT be temperature-related because now that it's less hot it has been stable (knock on wood).