Ryzen 7 5800x3d

[ChrisZH]

So I have just upgraded from a 3800x to a 5800x3d. I notice my temps shoot up to around 82-83 sometimes in games. My cooling system is a custom loop and I am just thinking that this does not seem right. I don't remember my 3800x getting to be that hot. Have not tried undervolting yet but am thinking about it. Any comments or advice to try to limit temperatures? Idle I am around 38-42 I believe.

[Tanaz]

The 5800x3d is not a high TDP part especially for a custom loop unless it's incredibly tiny. It's a 105W part so my guess is something isn't making proper contact with the chip.

[SorryBella]

5 minutes ago, ChrisZH said:

My cooling system is a custom loop and I am just thinking that this does not seem right.

Whats the radiator configuration, also have you recently cleaned it? But at 80 for 360mm on stock settings are kind of expected for a choked case, if undervolting didn't make a dent then yeah, contact issue might be the reason.

[rippy4500]

Have you tried remounting the cpu block? It shouldnt be that hot of a cpu. Also yes you should try undervolting even if you dont need to because it can boost higher.

[ChrisZH]

Well I have 2 rads, 360 and 240. I have the loop going pump to gpu to cpu and then to the rads. Before I filled it up I made sure the block had proper contact but I guess I might have to drain it again and make sure?

 

like I said it spikes there for like a quick second and quickly goes back down to the low 70s.

[ChrisZH]

I am also using an open air case, cougar conquer case.

[Skiiwee29]

Without rewatching reviews I believe this is normal. It's why they locked the x3d chips from overcooking due to thermal and voltage concerns. 

 

Idle temps looks fine so I don't think it's a mounting problem. 

[Shimejii]

27 minutes ago, ChrisZH said:

So I have just upgraded from a 3800x to a 5800x3d. I notice my temps shoot up to around 82-83 sometimes in games. My cooling system is a custom loop and I am just thinking that this does not seem right. I don't remember my 3800x getting to be that hot. Have not tried undervolting yet but am thinking about it. Any comments or advice to try to limit temperatures? Idle I am around 38-42 I believe.

Your temps are normal. In Cyberpunk my 5800x3d Gets to about 83c, with doing PBO2 Tuner it gets down to about 75c. Some games will make it a bit more toasty. 

 

For instance Minecraft can make your CPU go to 85-90c on a solo world with a large enough view distance, and if its quite a CPU intensive game it will be quite toasty.

 

3800x should have been around 70-80c as well. 

 

What radiators and fan speeds do you have the the CPU portion of your loop?

 

Highly reccomend pbo2 Tuner, do -25 all cores, and since your on water you could probably do a bit on the TDC and EDC, i use 120 PPT, 80 TDC and 110 EDC on a NH-D15, you can try that and see how it goes for you.

[ChrisZH]

I was seeing a lot of reviews that this chip was hot. I'm still getting full boost frequency and it hasn't failed yet. If I need to maybe I didn't apply enough thermal paste? But I used a spreader and made sure every spot was covered before putting block on. Did the star pattern when tightening it as well so it would have even tension. Right now in game I'm getting low 70s, 71-74. But it will occasionally spike to the low 80s

[ChrisZH]

10 minutes ago, Shimejii said:

Your temps are normal. In Cyberpunk my 5800x3d Gets to about 83c, with doing PBO2 Tuner it gets down to about 75c. Some games will make it a bit more toasty. 

 

For instance Minecraft can make your CPU go to 85-90c on a solo world with a large enough view distance, and if its quite a CPU intensive game it will be quite toasty.

 

3800x should have been around 70-80c as well. 

 

What radiators and fan speeds do you have the the CPU portion of your loop?

 

Highly reccomend pbo2 Tuner, do -25 all cores, and since your on water you could probably do a bit on the TDC and EDC, i use 120 PPT, 80 TDC and 110 EDC on a NH-D15, you can try that and see how it goes for you.

I have it all at pwm setup but it's only a push config. 1 360 rad and 1 240

[ChrisZH]

Should I undervolt in bios or use ryzen master?

[Shimejii]

7 minutes ago, ChrisZH said:

I was seeing a lot of reviews that this chip was hot. I'm still getting full boost frequency and it hasn't failed yet. If I need to maybe I didn't apply enough thermal paste? But I used a spreader and made sure every spot was covered before putting block on. Did the star pattern when tightening it as well so it would have even tension. Right now in game I'm getting low 70s, 71-74. But it will occasionally spike to the low 80s

Yeah thats 100% normal temps.

 

Just now, ChrisZH said:

Should I undervolt in bios or use ryzen master?

i use pbo2 Tuner, but if your bios has it baked in use that. Worth it for the rock solid stable 4450 clock

[ChrisZH]

How do I use pbo tuner?

[ChrisZH]

I'm using an asus strix x570 gaming e board. I should be able to adjust voltages and stuff in there right? Think .10v is too much to take off because I saw some people doing .20 I think?

[freeagent]

1 hour ago, ChrisZH said:

I'm using an asus strix x570 gaming e board. I should be able to adjust voltages and stuff in there right? Think .10v is too much to take off because I saw some people doing .20 I think?

Don't use voltage offsets at all. Don't adjust limits such as PPT, TDC, or EDC. All you need to use is the curve optimizer.  Use all core -30 and that should shave 10c off. If for some reason your CPU is not that good, try -25. But really, -30 should be no problem.

 

For what its worth, I can run my X3D semi passively in my system on 3 different coolers, none with a fan attached.

[ChrisZH]

3 minutes ago, freeagent said:

Don't use voltage offsets at all. Don't adjust limits such as PPT, TDC, or EDC. All you need to use is the curve optimizer.  Use all core -30 and that should shave 10c off. If for some reason your CPU is not that good, try -25. But really, -30 should be no problem.

 

For what its worth, I can run my X3D semi passively in my system on 3 different coolers, none with a fan attached.

I just find it weird that most people want to undervolt the cpu and not really mess with the frequency. But you're saying don't mess with the voltage at all?

 

i just find it weird how I'm getting low to mid 70's in game with minor spikes to as high as 84c. I don't remember my ryzen 3700x getting this hot at all. So I just wanna try anything to get the temp down lower.

 

I guess this weekend I might have to drain the loop and check to see the thermal paste. Maybe I didn't use enough even though I used a spreader and every inch was covered.

[freeagent]

Your 3700X isn’t in the same league..

 

And yes, don’t touch the voltage, just use the curve. That’s what people talk about when they say undervolt.

 

You can’t overclock this chip other than through bclk overclocks..

[ChrisZH]

7 minutes ago, freeagent said:

Your 3700X isn’t in the same league..

 

And yes, don’t touch the voltage, just use the curve. That’s what people talk about when they say undervolt.

 

You can’t overclock this chip other than through bclk overclocks..

Do you happen to have a guide online I could follow? But to you it doesn't seem like these temperatures are bad?

[ChrisZH]

2 hours ago, Shimejii said:

Yeah thats 100% normal temps.

 

i use pbo2 Tuner, but if your bios has it baked in use that. Worth it for the rock solid stable 4450 clock

When you use PBO2 tuner, does it save settings and apply it straight to BIOS? Because I think I can access this information from within and do a offset curve on like -25 or 30 plus the other settings 

[191x7]

3 hours ago, ChrisZH said:

So I have just upgraded from a 3800x to a 5800x3d. I notice my temps shoot up to around 82-83 sometimes in games. My cooling system is a custom loop and I am just thinking that this does not seem right. I don't remember my 3800x getting to be that hot. Have not tried undervolting yet but am thinking about it. Any comments or advice to try to limit temperatures? Idle I am around 38-42 I believe.

It's a hot chip because the L3 sits on top of the CPU (vertically stacked), in my case, it's even warmer than the 5900X I had. With the EKWB 360mm AIO.

 

Set the PBO curve offset to negative and start with 15, test stability, if it's fine try 20. Most of them do 15, 20 or 25, 30 is rare.

[Mark Kaine]

5 hours ago, rippy4500 said:

Have you tried remounting the cpu block? It shouldnt be that hot of a cpu. Also yes you should try undervolting even if you dont need to because it can boost higher.

actually it should,  thats normal temps for this chip... undervolting makes it a lot cooler though. 

 

Also just because its water cooled doesn't mean its automatically better than air (it isnt) my 5800x3D is significantly cooler on a small noctua (u12s)

[Mark Kaine]

3 hours ago, ChrisZH said:

When you use PBO2 tuner, does it save settings and apply it straight to BIOS? Because I think I can access this information from within and do a offset curve on like -25 or 30 plus the other settings 

you can apply it automatically (in description) but not to bios directly.    also it takes about 20 seconds to apply it manually after startup....

 

https://github.com/PrimeO7/How-to-undervolt-AMD-RYZEN-5800X3D-Guide-with-PBO2-Tuner/blob/main/README.md

 

 

^read

[ChrisZH]

7 hours ago, Mark Kaine said:

actually it should,  thats normal temps for this chip... undervolting makes it a lot cooler though. 

 

Also just because its water cooled doesn't mean its automatically better than air (it isnt) my 5800x3D is significantly cooler on a small noctua (u12s)

I thought water cooling was the best cooling you could do? Like I was saying it has stable 72-75c in games but with short spikes up to 83-85. You are saying that this is normal even on water?

[Mark Kaine]

50 minutes ago, ChrisZH said:

I thought water cooling was the best cooling you could do? Like I was saying it has stable 72-75c in games but with short spikes up to 83-85. You are saying that this is normal even on water?

im saying water is not inherently better than air, no, why would it, actually water is worse in many cases, not at last due to the very obvious risks, and please read again i already told you how to get lower temps.  (read the github link, its very simple )

[ChrisZH]

6 minutes ago, Mark Kaine said:

im saying water is not inherently better than air, no, why would it, actually water is worse in many cases, not at last due to the very obvious risks, and please read again i already told you how to get lower temps.  (read the github link, its very simple )

Why would you want to use software instead of bios though? Is this something that you can't interact with without the software?