8350vs8320

[GzeroD]

yes, because R9 290 is as much powerful as 780 & as you see 8350 is already bottlenecking 780 in those videos above.

Comparing 2 CPUs that are that wildly different in price is hardly a fair comparison. I mean the FX in those videos is 1/3 the price of the 3930k that was overclocked higher which is a less than ideal as an 8350 should overclock quite a bit higher than 4.0 Ghz.

 

those 2 videos while interesting are next to useless for this guy.

[nokturrduk84]

Comparing 2 CPUs that are that wildly different in price is hardly a fair comparison. I mean the FX in those videos is 1/3 the price of the 3930k that was overclocked higher which is a less than ideal as an 8350 should overclock quite a bit higher than 4.0 Ghz.

 

those 2 videos while interesting are next to useless for this guy.

 

Here, i5-4670K 3.4GHz. with 780 on ultra settings in BF4. As you see fps stays above 100, in some cases goes to 140, while AMD 8350 gets 70 fps average on 4GHz average. And i5-4670K costs only 220$ which as you see worth every $.

[GzeroD]

 

Here, i5-4670K 3.4GHz. with 780 on ultra settings in BF4. As you see fps stays above 100, in some cases goes to 140, while AMD 8350 gets 70 fps average on 4GHz average. And i5-4670K costs only 220$ which as you see worth every $.

I agree that the price premium of going with a K series i5 from Intel is well worth it unless your doing some hard core video encoding or number crunching. But I think it would be disingenuous to say that a 8350 or 8320 wont get the job done to a playable level.

 

Edited to add 8320.

[Totally-A-Hero]

When you bottleneck a single card setup, you will bottleneck a crossfire setup complety and you won't gain advantage of it. Identical fps with single or dual cards. I can prove this, don't doubt this. Don't listen to that i_build_nanosuits he claimed he worked for ubisoft etc and sprays everywhere total misinformation and avoid that russian source that fabricates every benchmark out there like 8350 > 3930K & FX 6300 > i7 & FX 4300 > i5 like here: http://gamegpu.ru/images/stories/Test_GPU/Action/Far%20Cry%203%20v.%201.0.2/far%20cry%20proz.png

Don't make the mistake and just get the 4670k instead of regretting it afterwards. 

We see that the R9 290x did not perform better on a 8350 than a 280x in Battlefield 4. Another evidence is this post why the 4670k is anytime better than a 8350 for BF4/BF3 with a high-end card like a 780/290: http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/150350-amd-fx8350/page-3#entry2020793

Here another test where the 4670k with a single 7970 outperforms a 8350 with 2 or 3 7970's: http://www.anandtech.com/show/7189/choosing-a-gaming-cpu-september-2013/8

Done endless testing in BF4 as well, that game doesnt see any performance gains past 6 cores, you'd never see higher loads than 50% on a 12core or 72% on a 8core 

Ok well how does this mkae sense? AMD is optimized for BF4 and should perform better

[Totally-A-Hero]

Look im already going way over budget on this 290 i was origanlly going with a hd7950,i had to get a cheaper case and raise my budget $100 so going with a intel for more money isnt optimal,but if my 290 is just gonna take a massive hit in performance due to the bottleneck with a 8320 im just gonna go back to the 7950.So is it or is it not?

[GzeroD]

Ok well how does this mkae sense? AMD is optimized for BF4 and should perform better

That chart doesn't look too accurate too me. There is no way a 770 is beating a 290 never mind a 290X in BF4 on the same CPU.

 

As far as AMD optimized goes the amd cpu's are just quite a bit slower at per core performance so there is really no level of optimization that is going to fix this at this point.  

Look im already going way over budget on this 290 i was origanlly going with a hd7950,i had to get a cheaper case and raise my budget $100 so going with a intel for more money isnt optimal,but if my 290 is just gonna take a massive hit in performance due to the bottleneck with a 8320 im just gonna go back to the 7950.So is it or is it not?

 

I am pretty sure you would be taking a bigger hit moving to a 7950 on a I5 than a R9 290 on the 8320. If direct x 12 works as well as many are expecting and with mantel working its magic in the mean time I would go with the R9 290

[Faa]

Look im already going way over budget on this 290 i was origanlly going with a hd7950,i had to get a cheaper case and raise my budget $100 so going with a intel for more money isnt optimal,but if my 290 is just gonna take a massive hit in performance due to the bottleneck with a 8320 im just gonna go back to the 7950.So is it or is it not?

Whats your budget? Are you going for a complete new build? 

[Totally-A-Hero]

This is a 100% new build this is my first time ever building a PC or playing on a PC in that matter, i want to "future proof" as much as possible for around $1000,but then i came across a 290 on sale for $410 dollars and apparently that is a good deal except for im confused if i would have to switch to a intel CPU to run it properly instead of the 8320 i have selected now.I can get a i5-4670k cpu with a motherboard for $240.

 

The mother board is nothing fancy at all just preety much a plain mother board.The motherboard on the AMD side is top of the line tho and supports all the crazy overclocking and stuff. Here is a link to both of the builds. 

 

 

  INTEL 7950 w water cooling: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3IJqx

 

  AMD w 290 no water cooling: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3IJT4 This one has a motherboard combo that isnt showing up through microcenter that makes the motherboard/CPu combo $204

 

@Faa

[Totally-A-Hero]

And also is all of this stuff nano saying is true? that the i5 is going to have troube with games soon?

[GzeroD]

The Unless you have a compact case the H60 isn't really worth it over the Hyper 212 your planning on using in the other build so you can pull it off the intel build to chop a few bucks

 

I am pretty sure you would be taking a bigger hit moving to a 7950 on a I5 than a R9 290 on the 8320. If direct x 12 works as well as many are expecting I would go with the R9 290 on an 8320. I would still recommend waiting a little while to get the 290 with the i5 if it is a possibility.

 

 

The I5 is unlikely to have trouble with games for at least a couple of years. 

[Faa]

This is a 100% new build this is my first time ever building a PC or playing on a PC in that matter, i want to "future proof" as much as possible for around $1000,but then i came across a 290 on sale for $410 dollars and apparently that is a good deal except for im confused if i would have to switch to a intel CPU to run it properly instead of the 8320 i have selected now.I can get a i5-4670k cpu with a motherboard for $240.

 

The mother board is nothing fancy at all just preety much a plain mother board.The motherboard on the AMD side is top of the line tho and supports all the crazy overclocking and stuff. Here is a link to both of the builds. 

 

 

  INTEL 7950 w water cooling: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3IJqx

 

  AMD w 290 no water cooling: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3IJT4 This one has a motherboard combo that isnt showing up through microcenter that makes the motherboard/CPu combo $204

 

@Faa

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

 

CPU:  Intel Core i5-4430 3.0GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($184.96 @ SuperBiiz) 

Motherboard:  Gigabyte GA-H81M-H Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($44.99 @ Newegg) 

Memory:  A-Data XPG V1.0 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($64.99 @ NCIX US) 

Storage:  Crucial M500 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk  ($66.99 @ Amazon) 

Storage:  Western Digital Caviar Green 1TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($59.24 @ Amazon) 

Video Card:  XFX Radeon R9 290 4GB Double Dissipation Video Card  ($369.90 @ Newegg) 

Case:  Rosewill Galaxy-02 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($24.00 @ Newegg) 

Power Supply:  XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($47.99 @ NCIX US) 

Operating System:  Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit)  ($89.98 @ OutletPC) 

Total: $953.04

(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)

(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-05-12 17:45 EDT-0400)

I made it to fit a R9 290, a i5, a SSD and a 1TB storage drive in your budget. A 4670k would only be better if you overclock it and they mostly do 4.2GHz which is just a 20% average gain (if thats 100$ worth it I doubt it), that H81 board is plenty the downside is that you can't do SLI or crossfire but believe me most people just upgrade to a newer gpu. I took the XFX 550W psu instead of that CX600, much better quality PSU. The case is cheap (I havent checked if your gpu fits here but ask me if you need help with it) but having better performing parts > case.

You still have 50$ left to get a better case up to you really and thats your own preference which want you really want. 

[GzeroD]

IMHO http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3IKu7 is $60 more well spent if you can swing it. I am taking into account the unlisted combo for your cpu/Mobo for the amd build that you spoke of earlier. 

[GzeroD]

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

 

CPU:  Intel Core i5-4430 3.0GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($184.96 @ SuperBiiz) 

Motherboard:  Gigabyte GA-H81M-H Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($44.99 @ Newegg) 

Memory:  A-Data XPG V1.0 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($64.99 @ NCIX US) 

Storage:  Crucial M500 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk  ($66.99 @ Amazon) 

Storage:  Western Digital Caviar Green 1TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($59.24 @ Amazon) 

Video Card:  XFX Radeon R9 290 4GB Double Dissipation Video Card  ($369.90 @ Newegg) 

Case:  Rosewill Galaxy-02 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($24.00 @ Newegg) 

Power Supply:  XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($47.99 @ NCIX US) 

Operating System:  Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit)  ($89.98 @ OutletPC) 

Total: $953.04

(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)

(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-05-12 17:45 EDT-0400)

I made it to fit a R9 290, a i5, a SSD and a 1TB storage drive in your budget. A 4670k would only be better if you overclock it and they mostly do 4.2GHz which is just a 20% average gain (if thats 100$ worth it I doubt it), that H81 board is plenty the downside is that you can't do SLI or crossfire but believe me most people just upgrade to a newer gpu. I took the XFX 550W psu instead of that CX600, much better quality PSU. The case is cheap (I havent checked if your gpu fits here but ask me if you need help with it) but having better performing parts > case.

You still have 50$ left to get a better case up to you really and thats your own preference which want you really want. 

 

I wouldn't recommend a non k part to someone so willing to overclock, also he mentions the possibility of going with crossfire down the line and that motherboard is not going to support any sort of overclocking or crossfire. Although so you know if you do go crossfire later with either (of the builds you originally suggested) you will need to upgrade your power supply when the time comes.

[Totally-A-Hero]

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

 

CPU:  Intel Core i5-4430 3.0GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($184.96 @ SuperBiiz) 

Motherboard:  Gigabyte GA-H81M-H Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($44.99 @ Newegg) 

Memory:  A-Data XPG V1.0 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($64.99 @ NCIX US) 

Storage:  Crucial M500 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk  ($66.99 @ Amazon) 

Storage:  Western Digital Caviar Green 1TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($59.24 @ Amazon) 

Video Card:  XFX Radeon R9 290 4GB Double Dissipation Video Card  ($369.90 @ Newegg) 

Case:  Rosewill Galaxy-02 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($24.00 @ Newegg) 

Power Supply:  XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($47.99 @ NCIX US) 

Operating System:  Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit)  ($89.98 @ OutletPC) 

Total: $953.04

(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)

(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-05-12 17:45 EDT-0400)

I made it to fit a R9 290, a i5, a SSD and a 1TB storage drive in your budget. A 4670k would only be better if you overclock it and they mostly do 4.2GHz which is just a 20% average gain (if thats 100$ worth it I doubt it), that H81 board is plenty the downside is that you can't do SLI or crossfire but believe me most people just upgrade to a newer gpu. I took the XFX 550W psu instead of that CX600, much better quality PSU. The case is cheap (I havent checked if your gpu fits here but ask me if you need help with it) but having better performing parts > case.

You still have 50$ left to get a better case up to you really and thats your own preference which want you really want. 

 

added my Combo deal and my mouse and game,might remove ssd to put it closer to price.

 

IMHO http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3IKu7 is $60 more well spent if you can swing it. I am taking into account the unlisted combo for your cpu/Mobo for the amd build that you spoke of earlier. 

Look at the one i posted above.

[GzeroD]

added my Combo deal and my mouse and game,might remove ssd to put it closer to price.

 

Look at the one i posted above.

I based my recommendation off your original intel post, if you updated it can you provide a new link; your last post with a Partpicker list still has the original in it.

[Totally-A-Hero]

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3IL6S Sorry link may not have gone through.

[Faa]

added my Combo deal and my mouse and game,might remove ssd to put it closer to price.

SSDs are optional anyways but change stuff like the xfx gpu to that gigabyte windforce if isn't that much more expensive or take that kingston memory instead if you prefer its looks.

 

 

And also is all of this stuff nano saying is true? that the i5 is going to have troube with games soon?

Not at all. 8320's multithreaded performance is barely faster than a i5.

[Totally-A-Hero]

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3ILQL Changed the RAM it is slightly faster for same price also will look good with the red led fans im getting.Should i get the gigabyte card for 9 dollars more?it is larger but has a bit better cooling.  @Faa  @GzeroD

[Faa]

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3ILQL Changed the RAM it is slightly faster for same price also will look good with the red led fans im getting.Should i get the gigabyte card for 9 dollars more?it is larger but has a bit better cooling.  @Faa  @GzeroD

And quieter, so yes. 

[GzeroD]

 

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3IL6S Sorry link may not have gone through.

 

looks good if you can swing it I think it will be a big improvement over either the 8320 build or the 7950 build. also remember that that R9 290 should come with a coupon for 3 free games from AMD's never settle bundle. I would recommend the Gigabyte r9 290 over the xfx (higher base clock generally better cooler but the XFX shouldn't be a long way behind after overclocking and I have never been disappointed with XFX's customer support or warranty so I wouldn't worry if the $10 can't be put into your budget.)  Too be clear the Gigabyte is a better card and worth the money.

[deathjester]

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3ILQL Changed the RAM it is slightly faster for same price also will look good with the red led fans im getting.Should i get the gigabyte card for 9 dollars more?it is larger but has a bit better cooling.  @Faa  @GzeroD

 

Yeah read the reviews. Gigabyte Tri Force coolers are pretty darn good. XFX can be bad. All depends on how they cooled the Hawaii. Spend a few minutes looking at temps on reviews and go with the best temps for the price.

 

If I remember right Asus cooler (which usually is awesome) was bad on Hawaii as well. If the Gigabyte is 10 bucks more and cooler? Buy it. 

[Faceman]

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3ILRu

[GzeroD]

If I remember right Asus cooler (which usually is awesome) was bad on Hawaii as well. If the Gigabyte is 10 bucks more and cooler? Buy it. 

I have the asus cooler on a 290 It runs like a champ. (my MSI twinfrozer on the other hand is a troubled child and the responses I got from MSI support have ensured I am never buying a GPU from them again)

[Totally-A-Hero]

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3ILRu

I dont want a 770 u noob,for about $50 more i can pick up 290 that it outperoms by quite a bit.

[Totally-A-Hero]

The gigabyte does cool about 2-3 degrees better under load but dosent look as cool and costs more.But i have heard GREAT things about gigabyte and never heard of XFX.Also i never new there was a free game bundle when i click on the part i dont see it. @Faa @GzeroD