Posted April 6, 2023 Hello guys, today i have a weird behavior going on with my CPU. I have initially noticed a high temperature at idle ( only firefox, steam, discord open ) having 60-77 degrees celsius I decide to repaste my processor i haven't done it ever since i have initially bought it a while ago. The temperatures stays the same though now i encounter another weird behavior related to task manager and power draw. ( If it helps, my windows is set to ultimate performance in the power settings changing it doesn't affect anything ) the first screenshot is from CPUID HWMonitor without task manager; notice how the processor is at 88W steadily and with core 0 through 4 at 4.5 MHz with steady 64-66 celsius ( It shoots to 77 if i don't touch the cursor at times! ) once i put on task manager; this happens at screenshot 2 Core 0 goes between 4.7 to 3.7 MHz and the rest steadily at 3.7 voltage drops to 27 watts fluctuating to max 40ish and temperatures are now between 30-45 celcius What can i do to better control this behavior in my favor? I wouldn't want my CPU to burn itself out in desktop doing nothing but actually fully utilize it's power in gaming Those high temps are starting to scare me since i need this chip to last for a while ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted April 6, 2023 (edited) I don't know if the temps are totally fine, what I can tell you is that, 3,7Ghz when idle, because the CPU's base clock is according to AMD website 3,8Ghz, nothing weird there, as far as temperatures go, both screenshots don't show any high/concerning temps, what CPU cooler are you using anyway? if it's just stock cooler than obviously the CPU might get little warm, but as long as the temps are under 90°C, and as long as it's not some weird behaviour like temps being high for too long while doing nothing, then it's fine. Edited April 6, 2023 by podkall edit Note: Users receive notifications after Mentions & Quotes. Feel free to ask any questions regarding my comments/build lists. I know a lot about PCs but not everything. PC: Ryzen 5 5600 |16GB DDR4 3200Mhz | B450 | GTX 1080 ti PCs I used before: Pentium G4500 | 4GB/8GB DDR4 2133Mhz | H110 | GTX 1050 Ryzen 3 1200 3,5Ghz / OC:4Ghz | 8GB DDR4 2133Mhz / 16GB 3200Mhz | B450 | GTX 1050 Ryzen 3 1200 3,5Ghz | 16GB 3200Mhz | B450 | GTX 1080 ti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted April 6, 2023 Why does it draw 100W while browsing the web?! I have an overclocked 5700X and it doesn't do that, also it performs better than a stock 5800X: A PC Enthusiast since 2011 AMD Ryzen 7 5700X@4.65GHz | GIGABYTE GTX 1660 GAMING OC @ Core 2085MHz Memory 5000MHz Cinebench R23: 15669cb | Unigine Superposition 1080p Extreme: 3566 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted April 6, 2023 Author 18 minutes ago, podkall said: I don't know if the temps are totally fine, what I can tell you is that, 3,7Ghz when idle, because the CPU's base clock is according to AMD website 3,8Ghz, nothing weird there, as far as temperatures go, both screenshots don't show any high/concerning temps, what CPU cooler are you using anyway? if it's just stock cooler than obviously the CPU might get little warm, but as long as the temps are under 90°C, and as long as it's not some weird behaviour like temps being high for too long while doing nothing, then it's fine. I am using a NHD15-S ( smaller brother of NHD15 ) and repasted recently. are you sure 66-77 degrees in desktop no gaming load isn't concerning without task manager open to calm it down..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted April 6, 2023 Author 1 minute ago, Vishera said: Why does it draw 100W while browsing the web?! I have an overclocked 5700X and it doesn't do that, also it performs better than a stock 5800X: yeah, that's the main concerning part it draws 88W to keep a 4500 MHZ turbo for no apparent reason in desktop thus the high temps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted April 6, 2023 It could be malware of some kind. The fact that it stops when you open Task Manager is concerning. BabyBlu (Primary): CPU: Intel Core i9 9900K @ up to 5.3GHz, 5.0GHz all-core, delidded Motherboard: Asus Maximus XI Hero RAM: G.Skill Trident Z RGB 4x8GB DDR4-3200 @ 4000MHz 16-18-18-34 GPU: MSI RTX 2080 Sea Hawk EK X, 2070MHz core, 8000MHz mem Case: Phanteks Evolv X Storage: XPG SX8200 Pro 2TB, 3x ADATASU800 1TB (RAID 0), Samsung 970 EVO Plus 500GB PSU: Corsair HX1000i Display: MSI MPG341CQR 34" 3440x1440 144Hz Freesync, Dell S2417DG 24" 2560x1440 165Hz Gsync Cooling: Custom water loop (CPU & GPU), Radiators: 1x140mm(Back), 1x280mm(Top), 1x420mm(Front) Keyboard: Corsair Strafe RGB (Cherry MX Brown) Mouse: MasterMouse MM710 Headset: Corsair Void Pro RGB OS: Windows 10 Pro Roxanne (Wife Build): CPU: Intel Core i7 4790K @ up to 5.0GHz, 4.8Ghz all-core, relidded w/ LM Motherboard: Asus Z97A RAM: G.Skill Sniper 4x8GB DDR3-2400 @ 10-12-12-24 GPU: EVGA GTX 1080 FTW2 w/ LM Case: Corsair Vengeance C70, w/ Custom Side-Panel Window Storage: Samsung 850 EVO 250GB, Samsung 860 EVO 1TB, Silicon Power A80 2TB NVME PSU: Corsair AX760 Display: Samsung C27JG56 27" 2560x1440 144Hz Freesync Cooling: Corsair H115i RGB Keyboard: GMMK TKL(Kailh Box White) Mouse: Glorious Model O- Headset: SteelSeries Arctis 7 OS: Windows 10 Pro BigBox (HTPC): CPU: Ryzen 5800X3D Motherboard: Gigabyte B550i Aorus Pro AX RAM: Corsair Vengeance LPX 2x8GB DDR4-3600 @ 3600MHz 14-14-14-28 GPU: MSI RTX 3080 Ventus 3X Plus OC, de-shrouded, LM TIM, replaced mem therm pads Case: Fractal Design Node 202 Storage: SP A80 1TB, WD Black SN770 2TB PSU: Corsair SF600 Gold w/ NF-A9x14 Display: Samsung QN90A 65" (QLED, 4K, 120Hz, HDR, VRR) Cooling: Thermalright AXP-100 Copper w/ NF-A12x15 Keyboard/Mouse: Rii i4 Controllers: 4X Xbox One & 2X N64 (with USB) Sound: Denon AVR S760H with 5.1.2 Atmos setup. OS: Windows 10 Pro Harmonic (NAS/Game/Plex/Other Server): CPU: Intel Core i7 6700 Motherboard: ASRock FATAL1TY H270M RAM: 64GB DDR4-2133 GPU: Intel HD Graphics 530 Case: Fractal Design Define 7 HDD: 3X Seagate Exos X16 14TB in RAID 5 SSD: Inland Premium 512GB NVME, Sabrent 1TB NVME Optical: BDXL WH14NS40 flashed to WH16NS60 PSU: Corsair CX450 Display: None Cooling: Noctua NH-U14S Keyboard/Mouse: None OS: Windows 10 Pro NAS: Synology DS216J 2x8TB WD Red NAS HDDs in RAID 1. 8TB usable space Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted April 6, 2023 1 minute ago, Neko Yumi said: yeah, that's the main concerning part it draws 88W to keep a 4500 MHZ turbo for no apparent reason in desktop thus the high temps The thing is that my 5700X keeps a 4.65GHz all core turbo without going above 45W A PC Enthusiast since 2011 AMD Ryzen 7 5700X@4.65GHz | GIGABYTE GTX 1660 GAMING OC @ Core 2085MHz Memory 5000MHz Cinebench R23: 15669cb | Unigine Superposition 1080p Extreme: 3566 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted April 6, 2023 Author 41 minutes ago, Hairless Monkey Boy said: It could be malware of some kind. The fact that it stops when you open Task Manager is concerning. tbh that's also what kinda scared me but i don't really have an antimalware software except malwarebytes free i have used it and nothing out of the ordinary came out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted April 6, 2023 Author 14 minutes ago, Vishera said: The thing is that my 5700X keeps a 4.65GHz all core turbo without going above 45W i really don't have an explaination for that, so any suggestions..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted April 6, 2023 43 minutes ago, Neko Yumi said: i really don't have an explaination for that, so any suggestions..? Try setting your EDC, TDC and PPT to 150 in the BIOS and see if that works. A PC Enthusiast since 2011 AMD Ryzen 7 5700X@4.65GHz | GIGABYTE GTX 1660 GAMING OC @ Core 2085MHz Memory 5000MHz Cinebench R23: 15669cb | Unigine Superposition 1080p Extreme: 3566 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted April 6, 2023 Author 36 minutes ago, Vishera said: Try setting your EDC, TDC and PPT to 150 in the BIOS and see if that works. should i check to update the bios first? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted April 6, 2023 3 minutes ago, Neko Yumi said: should i check to update the bios first? That's a good idea. A PC Enthusiast since 2011 AMD Ryzen 7 5700X@4.65GHz | GIGABYTE GTX 1660 GAMING OC @ Core 2085MHz Memory 5000MHz Cinebench R23: 15669cb | Unigine Superposition 1080p Extreme: 3566 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted April 6, 2023 Author Just now, Vishera said: That's a good idea. i will update it, i have done it still. Made PBO manual in BIOS changed the values you requested to 150 here is the result, first is with task manager second is without it basically task manager kills the voltage and reduces the MHZ and thus the temperature but i do wonder if i can control this behavior better low voltage and MHZ in desktop and will only spike if i start programs, and games.. this is such weird behavior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted April 6, 2023 17 minutes ago, Neko Yumi said: i will update it, i have done it still. Made PBO manual in BIOS changed the values you requested to 150 here is the result, first is with task manager second is without it basically task manager kills the voltage and reduces the MHZ and thus the temperature but i do wonder if i can control this behavior better low voltage and MHZ in desktop and will only spike if i start programs, and games.. this is such weird behavior. I just noticed - Your voltages, What is your VCORE?. I just did a static 4.7GHz overclock with 1.1V Core Voltage (VCORE) and the temps are a lot lower because the voltage is lower: A PC Enthusiast since 2011 AMD Ryzen 7 5700X@4.65GHz | GIGABYTE GTX 1660 GAMING OC @ Core 2085MHz Memory 5000MHz Cinebench R23: 15669cb | Unigine Superposition 1080p Extreme: 3566 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted April 6, 2023 Author 6 minutes ago, Vishera said: I just noticed - Your voltages, 1.4V VID is dangerously high. I just did a static 4.7GHz overclock with 1.2V VID and 1.1V VCORE and the temps are a lot lower because the voltage is lower: yeah i do not know why it is like this, but this is the first time i notice such a behavior on my voltages and temps. I do not know what happened, what can i do to bring it down during desktop light loads and spiking to gaming voltages when i play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted April 6, 2023 2 minutes ago, Neko Yumi said: I do not know what happened, what can i do to bring it down during desktop light loads and spiking to gaming voltages when i play? You can undervolt your CPU. A PC Enthusiast since 2011 AMD Ryzen 7 5700X@4.65GHz | GIGABYTE GTX 1660 GAMING OC @ Core 2085MHz Memory 5000MHz Cinebench R23: 15669cb | Unigine Superposition 1080p Extreme: 3566 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted April 6, 2023 Author Just now, Vishera said: You can undervolt your CPU. Won't that affect performance though..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted April 6, 2023 Just now, Neko Yumi said: Won't that affect performance though..? Yes, by making it faster. 5800x is almost begging to be undervolted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted April 6, 2023 1 minute ago, Neko Yumi said: Won't that affect performance though..? With these CPUs it improves performance as long as you go not too far. A PC Enthusiast since 2011 AMD Ryzen 7 5700X@4.65GHz | GIGABYTE GTX 1660 GAMING OC @ Core 2085MHz Memory 5000MHz Cinebench R23: 15669cb | Unigine Superposition 1080p Extreme: 3566 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted April 6, 2023 Author 1 hour ago, GuiltySpark_ said: Yes, by making it faster. 5800x is almost begging to be undervolted. Yeah i am sorry, at times my simple minded brain thinks undervolting will result in worse performance though it is depending of how it goes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted April 6, 2023 Author 1 hour ago, Vishera said: With these CPUs it improves performance as long as you go not too far. What do you suggest to perform this? I am in the process of updating bios Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted April 6, 2023 Author bios updated succesfully to ROG-STRIX-B550-F-GAMING-WIFI-ASUS-3002 no changes in behavior however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted April 7, 2023 Author From more testing, it seems like the CPU without task manager to reign it in, is always max boosting as if i was gaming even though the computer just booted up. I need some sort of tool to keep it under control during desktop light loads and let it boost as usual during gaming sessions. Potentially i could underclock with ryzen master that i keep hearing about but i am not familiar with the program Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted April 10, 2023 Author Still haven't found a solution to this still if anyone can give me pointers to keep control of it i'd appreciate it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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