5800X weird power/temperature behavior FT. task manager

[Neko Yumi]

Hello guys, today i have a weird behavior going on with my CPU.

I have initially noticed a high temperature at idle ( only firefox, steam, discord open ) having 60-77 degrees celsius

I decide to repaste my processor i haven't done it ever since i have initially bought it a while ago.

The temperatures stays the same though now i encounter another weird behavior related to task manager and power draw.

( If it helps, my windows is set to ultimate performance in the power settings changing it doesn't affect anything )

the first screenshot is from CPUID HWMonitor without task manager; notice how the processor is at 88W steadily and with core 0 through 4 at 4.5 MHz with steady 64-66 celsius ( It shoots to 77 if i don't touch the cursor at times! )

once i put on task manager; this happens at screenshot 2

Core 0 goes between 4.7 to 3.7 MHz and the rest steadily at 3.7

voltage drops to 27 watts fluctuating to max 40ish

and temperatures are now between 30-45 celcius

What can i do to better control this behavior in my favor? I wouldn't want my CPU to burn itself out in desktop doing nothing but actually fully utilize it's power in gaming

Those high temps are starting to scare me since i need this chip to last for a while !
 

[podkall]

I don't know if the temps are totally fine,

 

what I can tell you is that, 3,7Ghz when idle, because the CPU's base clock is according to AMD website 3,8Ghz, nothing weird there,

 

as far as temperatures go, both screenshots don't show any high/concerning temps,

 

what CPU cooler are you using anyway? if it's just stock cooler than obviously the CPU might get little warm, but as long as the temps are under 90°C,

and as long as it's not some weird behaviour like temps being high for too long while doing nothing, then it's fine.

 

Edited April 6, 2023 by podkall
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[Vishera]

Why does it draw 100W while browsing the web?!

I have an overclocked 5700X and it doesn't do that, also it performs better than a stock 5800X:

[Neko Yumi]

18 minutes ago, podkall said:

I don't know if the temps are totally fine,

 

what I can tell you is that, 3,7Ghz when idle, because the CPU's base clock is according to AMD website 3,8Ghz, nothing weird there,

 

as far as temperatures go, both screenshots don't show any high/concerning temps,

 

what CPU cooler are you using anyway? if it's just stock cooler than obviously the CPU might get little warm, but as long as the temps are under 90°C,

and as long as it's not some weird behaviour like temps being high for too long while doing nothing, then it's fine.

 

I am using a NHD15-S ( smaller brother of NHD15 ) and repasted recently.

are you sure 66-77 degrees in desktop no gaming load isn't concerning without task manager open to calm it down..?

[Neko Yumi]

1 minute ago, Vishera said:

Why does it draw 100W while browsing the web?!

I have an overclocked 5700X and it doesn't do that, also it performs better than a stock 5800X:

yeah, that's the main concerning part it draws 88W to keep a 4500 MHZ turbo for no apparent reason in desktop thus the high temps

[Hairless Monkey Boy]

It could be malware of some kind. The fact that it stops when you open Task Manager is concerning.

[Vishera]

1 minute ago, Neko Yumi said:

yeah, that's the main concerning part it draws 88W to keep a 4500 MHZ turbo for no apparent reason in desktop thus the high temps

The thing is that my 5700X keeps a 4.65GHz all core turbo without going above 45W

[Neko Yumi]

41 minutes ago, Hairless Monkey Boy said:

It could be malware of some kind. The fact that it stops when you open Task Manager is concerning.

tbh that's also what kinda scared me but i don't really have an antimalware software except malwarebytes free

i have used it and nothing out of the ordinary came out of it.

[Neko Yumi]

14 minutes ago, Vishera said:

The thing is that my 5700X keeps a 4.65GHz all core turbo without going above 45W

i really don't have an explaination for that, so any suggestions..?

[Vishera]

43 minutes ago, Neko Yumi said:

i really don't have an explaination for that, so any suggestions..?

Try setting your EDC, TDC and PPT to 150 in the BIOS and see if that works.

[Neko Yumi]

36 minutes ago, Vishera said:

Try setting your EDC, TDC and PPT to 150 in the BIOS and see if that works.

should i check to update the bios first? 

[Vishera]

3 minutes ago, Neko Yumi said:

should i check to update the bios first? 

That's a good idea.

 

[Neko Yumi]

Just now, Vishera said:

That's a good idea.

 

i will update it, i have done it still.
Made PBO manual in BIOS
changed the values you requested to 150
here is the result, first is with task manager
second is without it

basically task manager kills the voltage and reduces the MHZ and thus the temperature but i do wonder if i can control this behavior better
low voltage and MHZ in desktop and will only spike if i start programs, and games.. this is such weird behavior.

[Vishera]

17 minutes ago, Neko Yumi said:

i will update it, i have done it still.
Made PBO manual in BIOS
changed the values you requested to 150
here is the result, first is with task manager
second is without it

basically task manager kills the voltage and reduces the MHZ and thus the temperature but i do wonder if i can control this behavior better
low voltage and MHZ in desktop and will only spike if i start programs, and games.. this is such weird behavior.

I just noticed - Your voltages, What is your VCORE?.

 

I just did a static 4.7GHz overclock with 1.1V Core Voltage (VCORE) and the temps are a lot lower because the voltage is lower:

 

[Neko Yumi]

6 minutes ago, Vishera said:

I just noticed - Your voltages, 1.4V VID is dangerously high.

 

I just did a static 4.7GHz overclock with 1.2V VID and 1.1V VCORE and the temps are a lot lower because the voltage is lower:

yeah i do not know why it is like this, but this is the first time i notice such a behavior on my voltages and temps.
I do not know what happened, what can i do to bring it down during desktop light loads and spiking to gaming voltages when i play?

[Vishera]

2 minutes ago, Neko Yumi said:

I do not know what happened, what can i do to bring it down during desktop light loads and spiking to gaming voltages when i play?

You can undervolt your CPU.

[Neko Yumi]

Just now, Vishera said:

You can undervolt your CPU.

Won't that affect performance though..?

[GuiltySpark_]

Just now, Neko Yumi said:

Won't that affect performance though..?

Yes, by making it faster. 5800x is almost begging to be undervolted. 

[Vishera]

1 minute ago, Neko Yumi said:

Won't that affect performance though..?

With these CPUs it improves performance as long as you go not too far.

[Neko Yumi]

1 hour ago, GuiltySpark_ said:

Yes, by making it faster. 5800x is almost begging to be undervolted. 

Yeah i am sorry, at times my simple minded brain thinks undervolting will result in worse performance though it is depending of how it goes

[Neko Yumi]

1 hour ago, Vishera said:

With these CPUs it improves performance as long as you go not too far.

What do you suggest to perform this? I am in the process of updating bios

[Neko Yumi]

bios updated succesfully to ROG-STRIX-B550-F-GAMING-WIFI-ASUS-3002

 

no changes in behavior however.

[Neko Yumi]

From more testing, it seems like the CPU without task manager to reign it in, is always max boosting as if i was gaming even though the computer just booted up.

I need some sort of tool to keep it under control during desktop light loads and let it boost as usual during gaming sessions.

Potentially i could underclock with ryzen master that i keep hearing about but i am not familiar with the program

[Neko Yumi]

Still haven't found a solution to this still if anyone can give me pointers to keep control of it i'd appreciate it