SSD or HDD isn't a question. Generally. But maybe..?

[Timme]

As of now the cost of nvme ssd on Ali are stupid. Which alerted my tingled quick math sense - is it really worth jumping on a 35$ 1tb m2 for "brands", or the 5$-more-same-size WD Black would be a much safer option to actually drive? Both aren't an option. 

 

Edit: long term storage only. Noname gen3 m2 vs WD Black or twice the amount in Ultrastar. All under 50$

[jaslion]

For what use?

 

Mass storage: whichever is cheaper

 

Programs/os ssd

 

Also instead of getting a generic no name with no warranty get a meh bt warranty drive https://pcpartpicker.com/product/VzQfrH/team-cx2-1-tb-25-solid-state-drive-t253x6001t0c101

[YoungBlade]

Do not run your OS on a hard drive today. It is not worth it.

 

SSDs are so much better as OS drives, it isn't even funny. Looking back to 2014, I was a fool for ignoring 128GB SSD options in favor of 1TB HDDs, in spite of the fact that the HDDs were still less than half the price. But I didn't know - I'd never experienced an SSD before. Now that I know, I'd have gladly paid that extra and dealt with the limited storage. Think of all the hours of my life it would have given back to me from time wasted loading applications and booting the computer...

 

Using a computer with a hard drive is basically torture for me now. I had to use one a few months ago and I still get shivers just remembering it. And every SSD skeptic that I've encountered has eventually come around to see things my way. My mom, my cousin, my sister, one of my best friends - all of them who told me that they didn't mind using a hard drive have now come to realize how wrong that attitude was, because I either convinced them to buy an SSD, or I bought them one as a gift and installed it for them.

 

Please, for the love of all that is good in all of the universes which may or may not exist, do not put your OS on a hard drive. Please, do your future self a favor, and give yourself back hours and hours of your precious life, by getting the SSD.

[Timme]

5 minutes ago, YoungBlade said:

Do not run your OS on a hard drive today. It is not worth it.

 

SSDs are so much better as OS drives, it isn't even funny. Looking back to 2014, I was a fool for ignoring 128GB SSD options in favor of 1TB HDDs, in spite of the fact that the HDDs were still less than half the price. But I didn't know - I'd never experienced an SSD before. Now that I know, I'd have gladly paid that extra and dealt with the limited storage. Think of all the hours of my life it would have given back to me from time wasted loading applications and booting the computer...

 

Using a computer with a hard drive is basically torture for me now. I had to use one a few months ago and I still get shivers just remembering it. And every SSD skeptic that I've encountered has eventually come around to see things my way. My mom, my cousin, my sister, one of my best friends - all of them who told me that they didn't mind using a hard drive have now come to realize how wrong that attitude was, because I either convinced them to buy an SSD, or I bought them one as a gift and installed it for them.

 

Please, for the love of all that is good in all of the universes which may or may not exist, do not put your OS on a hard drive. Please, do your future self a favor, and give yourself back hours and hours of your precious life, by getting the SSD.

Come on, let's assume some sense. I'm looking for a long term storage. Games, data, etc. Normally I'd look for dram m2, but now I see a TB for a price of "yes please". And than I really begin to question 3+ warranty on mistery nand, as my expectations of longevity are from hdd era.

[dizmo]

Games. SSD.

Long term data. HDD.

 

[YoungBlade]

1 minute ago, Timme said:

Come on, let's assume some sense. I'm looking for a long term storage. Games, data, etc. Normally I'd look for dram m2, but now I see a TB for a price of "yes please". And than I really begin to question 3+ warranty on mistery nand, as my expectations of longevity are from hdd era.

First, SSDs are more reliable than hard drives. Second, and this is going to sound harsh, but you need to understand it: If you don't back up your data, then you do not care about long term storage. No device is so reliable that you don't need a backup. Data without a backup is worthless in terms of longevity.

 

Now, you'll note I said, "Do not run your OS on a hard drive today" - are you going to be using this as your primary OS drive, or just as an archival storage drive?

 

I've got a few hard drives that I use for backups and archival data - there is nothing wrong with that at all. Even if you want a big secondary drive for games, I think a hard drive is arguably justifiable today - although I think the choice would be dubious, and I'm sure some folks will even argue that an SSD is always essential for a games drive. Just don't have your OS on the hard drive. As soon as your OS is on a hard drive, using the computer becomes a terrible experience compared to having an SSD. Having secondary data on a hard drive is mostly fine.

[Timme]

11 minutes ago, YoungBlade said:

First, SSDs are more reliable than hard drives. Second, and this is going to sound harsh, but you need to understand it: If you don't back up your data, then you do not care about long term storage. No device is so reliable that you don't need a backup. Data without a backup is worthless in terms of longevity.

 

Now, you'll note I said, "Do not run your OS on a hard drive today" - are you going to be using this as your primary OS drive, or just as an archival storage drive?

 

I've got a few hard drives that I use for backups and archival data - there is nothing wrong with that at all. Even if you want a big secondary drive for games, I think a hard drive is arguably justifiable today - although I think the choice would be dubious, and I'm sure some folks will even argue that an SSD is always essential for a games drive. Just don't have your OS on the hard drive. As soon as your OS is on a hard drive, using the computer becomes a terrible experience compared to having an SSD. Having secondary data on a hard drive is mostly fine.

Ok. Let's get some things straight. Firstly, os on m2.

Second, durability and security of an ssd varies hugely depending on the hw used. Example - cheap kingston, with crappy controller and nand, dropped to 40% health under years of being used just as an os drive only. My Barracuda lasted me twice as much and continues to. Also, unless you're into real pricey stuff - ssd may just go boom. 

 

And lastly, as a casual home user, I don't see any benefit of duplicating easily re-sourced data. Before you say it again, I do back up externally of important staff.

 

I'll rephrase, "does an unknown failure tolerance still beats the questionable speed gains over wd black or 2xtb of Hitachi Ultrastar under 50$"

[Timme]

1 minute ago, TechlessBro said:

No.

Your time to rebuild or download is worth more.

Do you actually suggest to back-up every single time you install/reinstall games or download ai models for topaz? Restoring such - one night's sleep. Investing time and money in redundancy is redundant.

I DO USE EXTERNAL BACK UP. 

 

2 hours ago, Timme said:

As of now the cost of nvme ssd on Ali are stupid. Which alerted my tingled quick math sense - is it really worth jumping on a 35$ 1tb m2 for "brands", or the 5$-more-same-size WD Black would be a much safer option to actually drive? Both aren't an option. 

 

[Timme]

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Edited March 29, 2023 by Timme
Got confused simul-replying

[Timme]

7 hours ago, TechlessBro said:

No just saying saving a few dollars isn’t worth the reinstall or missed gaming time. It’s just annoying for the money difference.
 

Oh, fk me. Apologies, got confused. That's what was my thought to confirm. I think i'm settled for a 2tb Ultrastar for 17.81₪ (5$) more. *Even missed with the quoting. Sorry again.