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Budget (including currency): 2100€

Country: Austria

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: various games (both old and new), streaming, video editing

Other details: a friend of mine wants to build a new gaming pc and one of his friends would sell his almost new 7950x for just 350€ (including warranty; his friend upgraded to a 7950x3d). we build 3 possible builds:

Build 1
MB: Asus PRIME X670-P WIFI - 270€
CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 7950X - 350€
CPU cooler: ARTIC Liquid Freezer II 360 - 124€
GPU: Asus TUF Gaming OC 6950 XT - 800€
RAM: G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo 32GB DDR5-6000 CL36 - 147€

SSD: Western Digital Black SN770 2TB - 125€
Case: Corsair 4000D Airflow - 120€
PSU: Corsair RM850x - 157€

 

Total: 2083€

 

Build 2
MB: Asus PRIME Z790-P WIFI D4 - 253€
CPU: Intel i5-13600K - 314€
CPU cooler: ARTIC Liquid Freezer II 360 - 124€
GPU: Asus TUF Gaming OC 6950 XT - 800€
RAM: G.Skill Ripjaws V DDR4-3600 CL16 - 82€

SSD: Western Digital Black SN770 2TB - 125€
Case: Corsair 4000D Airflow - 120€
PSU: Corsair RM850x - 157€

 

Total: 1975€

   
 

Build 3
MB: Asus PRIME Z790-P WIFI D4 - 253€
CPU: Intel i5-13600K - 314€
CPU cooler: ARTIC Liquid Freezer II 360 - 124€
GPU: PowerColor Radeon RX 6800 XT Red Dragon - 663€
RAM: G.Skill Ripjaws V DDR4-3600 CL16 - 82€

SSD: Western Digital Black SN770 2TB - 125€
Case: Corsair 4000D Airflow - 120€
PSU: Corsair RM850x - 157€

 

Total: 1838€

It's probably possible to reduce the price of the 2nd & 3rd build (50-100€) by down-sizing the motherboard, the cooler (either 240mm or a dark rock pro 4 or something similar) and perhaps even downgrading to a 750W PSU.

Is it worth missing out on a 350€ 7950X? He will stream and render videos, so even though the gaming probably performance won't suffer too much, the work performance will suffer when downgrading.
Are there any problems with the builds (especially the 1st build - its our current favorite)

Thanks in advance 🙂

 

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All three builds look good. The first build has a better CPU and RAM than the other two builds. The second and third builds have a cheaper CPU and RAM but have a more expensive GPU. The third build has a cheaper GPU than the second build but still has a good GPU.


Regarding the 7950X, it is a great deal for 350€. It is worth buying it if your friend will be doing video editing and streaming. The gaming performance won’t suffer too much with the 7950X.


I couldn’t find any reviews for the Asus PRIME X670-P WIFI or Asus PRIME Z790-P WIFI D4 motherboards or the PowerColor Radeon RX 6800 XT Red Dragon GPU.

However, I found that Asus PRIME X570-P WIFI and Asus PRIME Z590-P WIFI D4 motherboards are good alternatives to consider if you want to downsize the motherboard.
 

Regarding the PSU, you can downgrade to a 750W PSU if you want to save some money.
 

I hope this helps! Let me know if you have any other questions.

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26 minutes ago, SirApfelstrudel said:

Budget (including currency): 2100€

Country: Austria

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: various games (both old and new), streaming, video editing

Other details: a friend of mine wants to build a new gaming pc and one of his friends would sell his almost new 7950x for just 350€ (including warranty; his friend upgraded to a 7950x3d). we build 3 possible builds:

Build 1
MB: Asus PRIME X670-P WIFI - 270€
CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 7950X - 350€
CPU cooler: ARTIC Liquid Freezer II 360 - 124€
GPU: Asus TUF Gaming OC 6950 XT - 800€
RAM: G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo 32GB DDR5-6000 CL36 - 147€

SSD: Western Digital Black SN770 2TB - 125€
Case: Corsair 4000D Airflow - 120€
PSU: Corsair RM850x - 157€

 

Total: 2083€

 

Build 2
MB: Asus PRIME Z790-P WIFI D4 - 253€
CPU: Intel i5-13600K - 314€
CPU cooler: ARTIC Liquid Freezer II 360 - 124€
GPU: Asus TUF Gaming OC 6950 XT - 800€
RAM: G.Skill Ripjaws V DDR4-3600 CL16 - 82€

SSD: Western Digital Black SN770 2TB - 125€
Case: Corsair 4000D Airflow - 120€
PSU: Corsair RM850x - 157€

 

Total: 1975€

   
 

Build 3
MB: Asus PRIME Z790-P WIFI D4 - 253€
CPU: Intel i5-13600K - 314€
CPU cooler: ARTIC Liquid Freezer II 360 - 124€
GPU: PowerColor Radeon RX 6800 XT Red Dragon - 663€
RAM: G.Skill Ripjaws V DDR4-3600 CL16 - 82€

SSD: Western Digital Black SN770 2TB - 125€
Case: Corsair 4000D Airflow - 120€
PSU: Corsair RM850x - 157€

 

Total: 1838€

It's probably possible to reduce the price of the 2nd & 3rd build (50-100€) by down-sizing the motherboard, the cooler (either 240mm or a dark rock pro 4 or something similar) and perhaps even downgrading to a 750W PSU.

Is it worth missing out on a 350€ 7950X? He will stream and render videos, so even though the gaming probably performance won't suffer too much, the work performance will suffer when downgrading.
Are there any problems with the builds (especially the 1st build - its our current favorite)

Thanks in advance 🙂

 

I think your overspending on motherboards. Just get the cheapest thing that has all the features you need. Paying more than that will not get you more performance, only more features you don't need.

7950X dosn't need water cooling. I have an NH-D15 tower cooler on mine and I havn't managed to get it to thermal throttle yet (I work in machine learning and traffic simulation so I've hit it, and my 3080, pretty hard for very long periods of time).


I seem to remember something about going above 5600mhz on AMD not being worth it atm but I might be wrong.

I'd get build 1 with some adjustments.

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Common build advice: 1) Buy the cheapest (well reviewed) motherboard that has the features you need. Paying more typically only gets you features you won’t use. 2) only get as much RAM as you need, getting more won’t (typically) make your PC faster. 3) While I recommend getting an NVMe drive, you don’t need to splurge for an expensive drive with DRam cache, DRamless drives are fine for gamers. 4) paying for looks is fine, just don’t break the bank. 5) Tower coolers are usually good enough, unless you go top tier Intel or plan on OCing. 6) OCing is a dead meme, you probably shouldn’t bother. 7) "Bottlenecks" rarely matter and "Future-proofing" is a myth. 8) AIOs don't noticably improve performance past 240mm.

 

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https://at.pcpartpicker.com/list/bG4X8r

best i could do but still went a little overbudget ¯⁠\⁠⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠⁠/⁠¯ but i assure you that money is well spent on a next generation RX 7900 XT whose drivers are now fixed. BTW i have included the 7700 as a place holder for the 7950x (also a 7950x at 350 is a STEAL) if your friend would still prefer a cheaper build-

https://at.pcpartpicker.com/list/xbPb3y

almost same build with a RX 6950XT instead of the RX 7900 XT

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15 hours ago, SirApfelstrudel said:

Build 1
MB: Asus PRIME X670-P WIFI - 270€
CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 7950X - 350€
CPU cooler: ARTIC Liquid Freezer II 360 - 124€
GPU: Asus TUF Gaming OC 6950 XT - 800€
RAM: G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo 32GB DDR5-6000 CL36 - 147€

SSD: Western Digital Black SN770 2TB - 125€
Case: Corsair 4000D Airflow - 120€
PSU: Corsair RM850x - 157€

 

Asus suggests a 1000W PSU for the GPU which would raise the cost slightly, see https://www.asus.com/motherboards-components/graphics-cards/tuf-gaming/tuf-rx6950xt-o16g-gaming/techspec/.

 

One might think the 7950X would offer significantly better performance for video editing and rendering. Sadly this is not necessarily.  See https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/13th-gen-intel-core-processors-content-creation-review-2369/

 

 

80+ ratings certify electrical efficiency. Not quality.

 

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12 minutes ago, brob said:

Asus suggests a 1000W PSU for the GPU which would raise the cost slightly

the recommendation is based off of a worst case scenario for the PSU, multiple hard drives, high CPU load, etc. if PCPARTPICKER says 600 watts is the estimated wattage, a 800w PSU will be absolutely fine though you have more ex[erience in the tech community than me so why did you post this? i would say that its a bit wrong (the post i mean)

 

14 minutes ago, brob said:

One might think the 7950X would offer significantly better performance for video editing and rendering. Sadly this is not necessarily.  See https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/13th-gen-intel-core-processors-content-creation-review-2369/

its better to have a 7950x instead of a i7 12900k / i9 13700k / 5900x / 7700 right so why not? it may seem a bit wasteful now but in the future a heavily multicore CPU will be properly utilized by software and given that this is the 3rd gen of 16 core mainstream CPU, i expect that to be pretty soon (like at least 8-12 threads for 1 piece of software and most people have more than 2-3 running at one time)

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20 minutes ago, planetary problem said:

the recommendation is based off of a worst case scenario for the PSU, multiple hard drives, high CPU load, etc. if PCPARTPICKER says 600 watts is the estimated wattage, a 800w PSU will be absolutely fine though you have more ex[erience in the tech community than me so why did you post this? i would say that its a bit wrong (the post i mean)

 

I couldn't disagree more. Manufacturers have vastly more experience with their components than I do. In the case of this GPU I suspect the likely reason for the recommendation is probably a propensity for transient spikes.

 

If a warranty claim becomes necessary for the GPU, it might well be denied if the system has an out of spec PSU. Certainly any insurance claim involving the system would be denied for similar reasons.

 

If someone wishes to run out of spec, that is on them. But to expect me to assume that the decision has been made with explicit knowledge of that fact is ridiculous. 

 

80+ ratings certify electrical efficiency. Not quality.

 

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