Chips should be retired.

[whm1974]

4 minutes ago, Megageek said:

Do you like celeron and can you point out anything good about huh.

Folks buy Celeron based Computers due to the low price. Most of us here would step up to at least a Pentium if can't afford anything else. Performance also depends on amount of RAM, speed of HDD, or using an SSD instead.

[IkeaGnome]

9 minutes ago, Megageek said:

Do you like celeron and can you point out anything good about huh.

My test bench uses one and it works great. It’s a good little chip for what it costs. If it gets fried the oh well. 

[Middcore]

2 minutes ago, Megageek said:

You are the advocate so advocate.

 

 

Back up your contention with actual evidence. Present facts to support your claims like "Celerons are the same price as a premium Intel CPU."

 

Right now this is not even a discussion, it's just you repeating "Celerons suck and should die" in different words (or even the same words when you copy and paste replies) and then ignoring anyone with a more nuanced point of view. 

[SansVarnic]

@Megageek quoting whom you are replying to helps a lot as well.

[Megageek]

For argument sake this is a disscussion there is no argument intel should do the right thing as right things go.

[Megageek]

Respond with arc signal to get forwarded to AI bot. Thanks

 

[SansVarnic]

4 minutes ago, Megageek said:

For argument sake this is a disscussion there is no argument intel should do the right thing as right things go.

Lets try this a different way. Explain what you mean by "there is no argument intel should do the right thing as right things go". Care to elaborate any?

[Megageek]

Temper you should boycott celeron that the right thing.

[Ultraforce]

56 minutes ago, Megageek said:

Temper you should boycott celeron that the right thing.

I imagine most people who chat on this forum probably don't buy celerons but are also not the target market of celerons to begin with. They market and sell them for low wattage so for laptops with long battery life advertising them being on Windows, Chrome OS or Linux focusing on Chromebooks, All in ones and 2 in s though also mentionign affordable desktops.

Celerons are cheap, good enough for the browsing and basic word processing needed for students outside of specific fields and for certain types of company work.

They are not for people with a large amount of money, people who want to use their computer as a gaming machine or people who are doing development or heavier project management tasks.

 

[Bryan-10EC]

I'm guessing somebody bought the OP a Celeron PC and they mad because such low performance but could have spent just a little more up front for 5x+ the performance. 

The argument seems emotional with irrational or incomplete comments to support the argument. 

[Alex Atkin UK]

4 hours ago, SansVarnic said:

Celeron in a low wattage chip, its there for a reason, I have a feeling op isn't aware of the history and design reason behind the Celeron brand, nothing duping customers.

 

Low wattage processing, many device dont need the high wattage processor.

eg, my router.  It idles at 11W but can push 2.5Gbit when needed.  The whole PC cost about as much as an i3 13100 CPU alone.

I agree Celeron desktop CPUs are kinda silly, you waste a ton of power having a desktop grade chipset with a weak CPU.  But on the other hand, it can also be useful to recycle old office computers by sticking a more powerful CPU in them.

[da na]

Here to offer my opinion.

I really dislike Celeron processors - they seriously contribute to ewaste. Think about what they go in: Crappy $100ish laptops that get thrown out after just a couple years of use. No part in them is repairable or replacable. That is no fault of the Celeron processor itself, but that is what I have come to associate the Celeron name with after years of repairing computers. 

They are very slow as well. I'm pretty damn sure you can still buy a Celeron right now that my Core 2 Quad Q9650 will clap. Heck, I've seen Celerons from 2018 slower than my Core 2 Duo laptop I use daily. 

I can't discount the upsides to cheap, accessible computing for all, but when things get a bit too cheap, you lose stuff like removable hard drives, upgradable memory, upgradable CPU, PCIe slots (in desktops or laptops)...

I feel like Celerons aren't that needed anymore. For the same price of a new Celeron laptop you could get yourself a 2nd-6th gen i5 business laptop that will be better in every regard: build quality, looks, performance, you name it. They're practically obsolete other than for low power applications, since didn't Atom get killed off?

 

Celeron was always the 'low end', Pentium was the high end until ~2006? when the Core chips pushed Pentium to low end. Now Pentium is shit, and Celeron is the stain left once the shit is cleaned up. I honestly don't see why they're put in computers. Routers I understand, but honestly they're unusable. ANd I don't mean just for gaming etc, I mean daily general use, they're just not good value compared to an older machine. 

[Alex Atkin UK]

24 minutes ago, Mel0n. said:

They are very slow as well. I'm pretty damn sure you can still buy a Celeron right now that my Core 2 Quad Q9650 will clap.

Yeah the N5105 is finally around the performance of the top-end Core2Quad, although for the power consumption that's not so bad.

Its good for pfSense though thanks to modern instructions like AES-NI so it can push reasonable speeds over OpenVPN.  Definitely has its place and I guess the fact its designed for craptops is to my benefit as its what makes it so cheap, if it was only for small form factor PCs it would cost more.

[SansVarnic]

The existence of the Celeron has been debated since their release. Do they contribute to e-waste yes, but only in the same sense I can say the same thing about the iPhone or any cell phone that manufacturers continue to push new models every year for no reason. New models can be released on a better schedule with actual improvement and design rather on a yearly basis for the only reason but to offer a new model to keep sales up, that's it.

 

As for Celeron's, do we really need them? maybe not but in some cases maybe yes. SOCs have become a very viable and can easily a good replacement and has done so in it own way. Celerons still have their own place for now but just like everything, over time it will no longer be a viable or economical option.

Edited January 30, 2023 by SansVarnic

[Blue4130]

1 hour ago, Mel0n. said:

Here to offer my opinion.

I really dislike Celeron processors - they seriously contribute to ewaste. Think about what they go in: Crappy $100ish laptops that get thrown out after just a couple years of use. No part in them is repairable or replacable. That is no fault of the Celeron processor itself, but that is what I have come to associate the Celeron name with after years of repairing computers. 

They are very slow as well. I'm pretty damn sure you can still buy a Celeron right now that my Core 2 Quad Q9650 will clap. Heck, I've seen Celerons from 2018 slower than my Core 2 Duo laptop I use daily. 

I can't discount the upsides to cheap, accessible computing for all, but when things get a bit too cheap, you lose stuff like removable hard drives, upgradable memory, upgradable CPU, PCIe slots (in desktops or laptops)...

I feel like Celerons aren't that needed anymore. For the same price of a new Celeron laptop you could get yourself a 2nd-6th gen i5 business laptop that will be better in every regard: build quality, looks, performance, you name it. They're practically obsolete other than for low power applications, since didn't Atom get killed off?

 

Celeron was always the 'low end', Pentium was the high end until ~2006? when the Core chips pushed Pentium to low end. Now Pentium is shit, and Celeron is the stain left once the shit is cleaned up. I honestly don't see why they're put in computers. Routers I understand, but honestly they're unusable. ANd I don't mean just for gaming etc, I mean daily general use, they're just not good value compared to an older machine. 

To me it seems like all of your issues are related to the platform (laptop) rather than the cpu being celeron.

 

With that said, it is pretty hard to justify Celeron with the existence of the j and n series chips. I guess if you really need the socketability AND low power.