Am I going too hard for for a first timer? I HATE Intel!

CPU	AMD Ryzen 9 7900 3.6 GHz 12-Core Processor	$429.00 @ Amazon
CPU Cooler	ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 280 A-RGB 68.9 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler	$142.91 @ Amazon
Motherboard	Asus TUF GAMING B650-PLUS WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard	$239.99 @ Best Buy
Memory	G.Skill Ripjaws S5 64 GB (2 x 32 GB) DDR5-6000 CL32 Memory	$339.99 @ Amazon
Storage	Western Digital Black SN770 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive	$89.99 @ Amazon
Storage	Crucial P3 Plus 4 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive	$274.99 @ B&H
Storage	Seagate EXOS Enterprise 8 TB 3.5" 7200 RPM Internal Hard Drive	$143.99 @ Amazon
Video Card	*Zotac GAMING Trinity GeForce RTX 4070 Ti 12 GB Video Card	$799.99 @ B&H
Case	Fractal Design Meshify 2 Compact RGB ATX Mid Tower Case	$139.99 @ B&H
Power Supply	Corsair RM850x (2021) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply	$139.97 @ Amazon
Operating System	Microsoft Windows 11 Pro Retail - Download 64-bit	$199.00 @ Newegg
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	TOTAL	$2939.81

Blue4130 · January 11, 2023

10 minutes ago, trixipluta96 said:

Budget (including currency): $1500-$3000

Country: USA

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Halo, COD, recording in 4K, streaming in 4K, uploading 4K, graphic novel games

I made a list called: "My ideal first build" and I'm thinking I went too hard on the materials!

The firs one is not very smart of a build in my opinion. AM4 and DDR4 are last get. I would not buy a new system using them. Used, sure, but not a new build. Stick to DDR5 and if you want AMD, the new socket. You have the best chance of being able to carry over parts when you upgade next.

Queen Chrysalis · January 11, 2023

There are a lot of problems with this parts list. A lot of this stuff is either useless or is not good enough for what you want, so I'm just gonna give you a fresh pitch for a good gaming computer based on your needs and budget:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5700X 3.4 GHz 8-Core Processor ($209.00 @ GameStop)
CPU Cooler: ID-COOLING FROSTFLOW X 76.8 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus TUF GAMING B550-PLUS WIFI II ATX AM4 Motherboard ($169.33 @ Amazon)
Memory: OLOy MD4U1636181CHKDA 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory ($71.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Kingston NV2 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($109.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Zotac GAMING Trinity GeForce RTX 4070 Ti 12 GB Video Card ($799.99 @ B&H)
Case: Antec NX410 ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Enermax Revolution D.F. 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($114.99 @ Walmart)
Total: $1605.27
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-01-11 03:13 EST-0500

This will get you gaming as fast as that $2800 system for over $1200 less without any issues.

8-core CPU that way faster than you'd need for 4k gaming with a 4070ti
4070ti for ultra fast 4k gaming
280mm AiO with good fittings and fans
32GB of RAM, more than enough for gaming and streaming. 3600MHz should match the infinity fabric on the 5700x (which is the exact smae chip as the 5800x, just a different base clock which you can change in the BIOs.
2TB Gen 4 drive
Wifi motherboard with all the features you'd ever need
High-end 850w PSU (A-Tier)
Case that has good airflow and includes RGB fans
Don;t buy windows that way. Just get a key for $15 online

8 minutes ago, Blue4130 said:

The firs one is not very smart of a build in my opinion. AM4 and DDR4 are last get. I would not buy a new system using them. Used, sure, but not a new build. Stick to DDR5 and if you want AMD, the new socket. You have the best chance of being able to carry over parts when you upgade next.

Why? There's still no real benefit to gaming with DDR5, and especially not at 4K. The socket is fine, Ryzen 5000 CPUs are still blazing fast, and at 4k it REALLY doesn't matter at all, there's 0 benefit to Ryzen 7000 at 4k and it costs way more. Upgrade path is a complete meme. No one should be upgrading a CPU often enough to reuse a motherboard, and by the time OP would want a new system, DDR5 RAM will be probably half the price it is now, so that's not even an 'investment' in reusability anyway, considering how much DDR5 costs right now for no real benefit.

jaslion · January 11, 2023

This post is basicallt unreadable on mobile.

But first system is overkill on the cpu side, has a awfull cooler and is using older stuff. Case has crap airflow.

Second is alright.

Others no clue cant see.

But how are you going to record and stream in 4k? Your monitor isnt even 4k. Let alone this aint a 4k gaming pc.

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/j3Cd78

CPU: Intel Core i5-13600K 3.5 GHz 14-Core Processor ($319.93 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Deepcool AK620 WH 68.99 CFM CPU Cooler ($55.98 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI PRO Z790-P WIFI DDR4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard ($239.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory ($82.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 980 Pro 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($129.99 @ Adorama)
Video Card: Asus TUF GAMING OC GeForce RTX 4090 24 GB Video Card ($1799.99 @ ASUS)
Case: Phanteks Eclipse P300A Mesh ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.98 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA 1000 GT 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($169.99 @ Best Buy)
Total: $2868.84
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-01-11 03:22 EST-0500

Blue4130 · January 11, 2023

3 minutes ago, Queen Chrysalis said:

Why? There's still no real benefit to gaming with DDR5, and especially not at 4K. The socket is fine, Ryzen 5000 CPUs are still blazing fast, and at 4k it REALLY doesn't matter at all, there's 0 benefit to Ryzen 7000 at 4k and it costs way more. Upgrade path is a complete meme. No one should be upgrading a CPU often enough to reuse a motherboard, and by the time OP would want a new system, DDR5 RAM will be probably half the price it is now, so that's not even an 'investment' in reusability anyway, considering how much DDR5 costs right now for no real benefit.

There may be no benefit to gaming, but it has a longer viable lifespan *at this point in time* than DDR4 in my opinion. If it was Intel, I would be more inclined to agree with you, but if the past AMD is any example, in 5 years, when he decides to upgrade, he can still potentially carry over his ram and motherboard. Think of x370, people who bought into that at the start have a very solid run. They could use plenty of chip well after the initial buy.

It may not be everyones opinion, but I see value in that.

Queen Chrysalis · January 11, 2023

Just now, jaslion said:

This post is basicallt unreadable on mobile.

But first system is overkill on the cpu side, has a awfull cooler and is using older stuff. Case has crap airflow.

Second is alright.

Others no clue cant see.

But how are you going to record and stream in 4k? Your monitor isnt even 4k. Let alone this aint a 4k gaming pc.

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/j3Cd78

CPU: Intel Core i5-13600K 3.5 GHz 14-Core Processor ($319.93 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Deepcool AK620 WH 68.99 CFM CPU Cooler ($55.98 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI PRO Z790-P WIFI DDR4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard ($239.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory ($82.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 980 Pro 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($129.99 @ Adorama)
Video Card: Asus TUF GAMING OC GeForce RTX 4090 24 GB Video Card ($1799.99 @ ASUS)
Case: Phanteks Eclipse P300A Mesh ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.98 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA 1000 GT 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($169.99 @ Best Buy)
Total: $2868.84
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-01-11 03:22 EST-0500

You really gonna pitch an $1800 GPU for someone's first gaming computer? Even in general I would just never suggest that, like ever. Even at 4k, the 4070ti and 7900xt are more than enough for half the price.

jaslion · January 11, 2023

1 minute ago, Queen Chrysalis said:

You really gonna pitch an $1800 GPU for someone's first gaming computer? Even in general I would just never suggest that, like ever. Even at 4k, the 4070ti and 7900xt are more than enough for half the price.

I mean they can change that. They wantes 4k gaming and have a budget that allows rhe best gpu so why not?

If they wanna go cheaper a 7900xtx is right there for a lot less

Blue4130 · January 11, 2023

2 minutes ago, Queen Chrysalis said:

You really gonna pitch an $1800 GPU for someone's first gaming computer? Even in general I would just never suggest that, like ever. Even at 4k, the 4070ti and 7900xt are more than enough for half the price.

Why does it matter if it's their first or 50th computer? Does that change how demanding something is?

Queen Chrysalis · January 11, 2023

1 minute ago, Blue4130 said:

5 years, when he decides to upgrade, he can still potentially carry over his ram and motherboard

unlikely and not worth the premium today. If it were to happen, then the cost difference in 5 years would likely be negligible anyway, as it was for a lot people who still ended up getting new stuff at the end of AM4. And it's very unlikely a socket will last that long again, so you're paying big now for a fleeting chance of a small payoff later. Not good.

2 minutes ago, Blue4130 said:

It may not be everyones opinion

Well the logic I provide in my first post is the reason for that.

Just now, jaslion said:

I mean they can change that. They wantes 4k gaming and have a budget that allows rhe best gpu so why not?

Because they specifically asked if they were 'going too hard' so I'm guessing that insight into value is what OP is after, so a 4090 is not a great pitch for that count. Just because someone has money doesn;t mean it's a good idea to spend it, especially when they are asking if it's a good value or not, which ultra whale-bait GPUs like the 4090 are not.

Queen Chrysalis · January 11, 2023

3 minutes ago, Blue4130 said:

Why does it matter if it's their first or 50th computer? Does that change how demanding something is?

Yes, because they have no baseline for what they want, they're a lot deeper in the dark than someone who's gamed on PC before and knows what to expect from a given performance point in terms of overall gaming experience, and can discern value from that point. I mean comeone, a 4070ti is already incredibly fast, like faster than anything that came before it, is it worth an extra $1000 to go even more faster?

Blue4130 · January 11, 2023

Just now, Queen Chrysalis said:

Yes, because they have no baseline for what they want, they're a lot deeper in the dark than someone who's gamed on PC before and knows what to expect from a giver performance point in terms of overall gaming experience, and can discern value from that point.

So you say yes.... Running Cyberpunk at 4k changes if it is a first computer vs 50th? No, it in fact doesn't. They may not have a baseline, but the difficulty to run is the same, and getting performance metrics online it pretty easy.

Queen Chrysalis · January 11, 2023

5 minutes ago, Blue4130 said:

So you say yes.... Running Cyberpunk at 4k changes if it is a first computer vs 50th? No, it in fact doesn't. They may not have a baseline, but the difficulty to run is the same, and getting performance metrics online it pretty easy.

Which a 4070ti would absolutely shred anyhow. And that's a single game that has legendarily bad performance on any hardware. That little cherry isn't a great pick for the general focus of what I'm saying, and you know it. If OP specified Cyberpunk, I'd take that into consideration, and still not recommend the 4090. Especially when the lists OP originally posted had either a 4070ti or a 6800. To recommend an $1800 GPU to a first-timer when that wasn't even in the original conversation, as if you were proposing to them something that would be a better value based on one's matured knowledge of value is ridiculous.

Dukesilver27- · January 11, 2023

I'm not going to comment on the build, because everyone else have done so.

But the I HATE Intel part is just uncalled for, especially after seeing your ideal build list, it is clear that you don't even know enough about hardware, yet you hate on a specific brand.

Both Intel and AMD are profit driven, neither of them are your friend, it's just Intel has been worse than AMD.

But, look at the product, not the company, 12th gen and 13th gen i3s and i5s are so good for their price point, AMD left the budget segment, and Intel swoop in to secure the market.

AMD's 7000 series so far has been more anti-consumer than Intel has been with their 12th and 13th gen.

greeatzy · January 11, 2023

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i5-13600KF 3.5 GHz 14-Core Processor ($308.54 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Deepcool AK620 68.99 CFM CPU Cooler ($76.89 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus PRIME Z790-A WIFI ATX LGA1700 Motherboard ($309.99 @ ASUS)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-5600 CL36 Memory ($135.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial P3 Plus 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($124.99 @ B&H)
Video Card: MSI GAMING X TRIO GeForce RTX 4070 Ti 12 GB Video Card ($849.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 5000D AIRFLOW ATX Mid Tower Case ($154.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair RM850x (2021) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($139.97 @ Amazon)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 11 Pro Retail - Download 64-bit ($199.00 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Asus TUF Gaming VG27AQ 27.0" 2560 x 1440 165 Hz Monitor ($309.00 @ ASUS)
Total: $2609.35
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-01-11 03:40 EST-0500

OR

*Downgraded CPU Cooler (which is also very good at cooling 13600K), MOBO, RAM, Case, SSD, Monitor

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i5-13600KF 3.5 GHz 14-Core Processor ($308.54 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 White 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler ($46.36 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI PRO Z790-A WIFI DDR4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard ($269.99 @ B&H)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory ($52.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Crucial P3 Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($79.98 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI GAMING X TRIO GeForce RTX 4070 Ti 12 GB Video Card ($849.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 4000D Airflow ATX Mid Tower Case ($94.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair RM850x (2021) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($139.97 @ Amazon)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 11 Pro Retail - Download 64-bit ($199.00 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Acer KG271U Abmiipx 27.0" 2560 x 1440 144 Hz Monitor ($259.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $2301.79
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-01-11 03:42 EST-0500

jaslion · January 11, 2023

12 minutes ago, Queen Chrysalis said:

Because they specifically asked if they were 'going too hard' so I'm guessing that insight into value is what OP is after, so a 4090 is not a great pitch for that count.

True and fair enough. I cant read further than parts list link and... then a pic of a ryzen cpu is there ans further down a badly formatted intel list and theb some random garble under there.

If its really about that a 7900xtx would be my recommendation as it has the vram needed for 4k (12gb is easy to max out already) and has the power to back it up. Amds codec has massively improved too so id opt for that card over the 4070ti.

Queen Chrysalis · January 11, 2023

15 minutes ago, jaslion said:

True and fair enough. I cant read further than parts list link and... then a pic of a ryzen cpu is there ans further down a badly formatted intel list and theb some random garble under there.

If its really about that a 7900xtx would be my recommendation as it has the vram needed for 4k (12gb is easy to max out already) and has the power to back it up. Amds codec has massively improved too so id opt for that card over the 4070ti.

Yeah 12GB should be fine, but 16 is better. I was unaware of any changes since launch, but I'll read into it. I;m still basing my judgement off of launch benchmarks.

jaslion · January 11, 2023

2 minutes ago, Queen Chrysalis said:

Yeah 12GB should be fine, but 16 is better. I was unaware of any changes since launch, but I'll read into it. I;m still basing my judgement off of launch benchmarks.

So basically with new drivers the 7900 series wacky stuff it had at launch is gone and performance has gone up.

Reference cards ARE ALL DEFECTIVE AND ARE NOT OK. There is a real difference between reference and aftermarket ones as the reference ones had a first batch with defective vapor chambers.

So basically the 7900 xt battles against a 4070ti and they trade blows decently often. The 7900xtx is usually noticeably faster.

Prices are wack but the 7900xtx is usually priced less than a 4070ti. However those prices are wack so basically look around well for which is cheaper.

Vram is the real issue as 12gb has been maxed out at 4k for a couple years now in a good chunk of games

Queen Chrysalis · January 11, 2023

13 minutes ago, jaslion said:

So basically with new drivers the 7900 series wacky stuff it had at launch is gone and performance has gone up.

Reference cards ARE ALL DEFECTIVE AND ARE NOT OK. There is a real difference between reference and aftermarket ones as the reference ones had a first batch with defective vapor chambers.

So basically the 7900 xt battles against a 4070ti and they trade blows decently often. The 7900xtx is usually noticeably faster.

Prices are wack but the 7900xtx is usually priced less than a 4070ti. However those prices are wack so basically look around well for which is cheaper.

Vram is the real issue as 12gb has been maxed out at 4k for a couple years now in a good chunk of games

All anyone has are reference cards. Also, OP, if you’re still reading, def go for a non reference 7900xt if you can, but for $30 more I think this cooler and MoBo would really hone in the aesthetic of your overall build, but it or the original list I posted would perform the same:

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master MasterLiquid ML280 Mirror Liquid CPU Cooler ($79.98 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte B550 AORUS ELITE AX ATX AM4 Motherboard ($181.60 @ Amazon)

mariushm · January 11, 2023

My only advice would be to look at the reviews for Ryzen 7900, Ryzen 7700 and Ryzen 7600 - you get great performance for low power consumption.

Skip the 7700, go for either 7900 or 7600 ... you'll find plenty good motherboards at around 190-200$

These non-X cpus will work fine with air coolers, a 50-70$ air cooler will work fine.

Ram will cost you more cause it's DDR5.

I'd suggest paying a bit more for a SSD with TLC memory instead of QLC, but up to you.

The power supply ... not sure about a psu like Gamemax with a modern video card, get something from a brand name.

As for video card, I want to say the latest gen from AMD or a 40xx from nVidia but not sure it fits your budget. I'm thinking hardware AV1 encoder will become important, but not sure how soon services like youtube and twitch will start accepting streams encoded with it.

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