Monitor for office work?

[heimdali]

What would you suggest for a 40", 4k monitor, to be used for office work?

 

Is the Samsung M7B S43BM700UU any good?

 

And what's the cheapest AMD graphics card you'd recommend for that?

 

 

PS:

+ should (this is almost a must) have VGA input

+ should have HDMI inputs

+ must have display port inputs

+ colour calibration is not required

+ should have a VESA mount

+ must have feet/stand so it can stand on a desk

+ power supply should be built in

+ size: at least 38", about 40", not over 50"

[tjb-703]

Oled for sure.

[Andrewtst]

16 minutes ago, heimdali said:

Samsung M7B S43BM700UU

This monitor came with smart TV feature, so can watch movie during work? 

 

This is a normal spec 4K monitor, it is ok for office usage that not demand color accuracy for graphics productivity, but if you are boss then you are indirectly encouraging your subordinate watching movie and entertainment during working hour. Haha!

[heimdali]

3 minutes ago, tjb-703 said:

Oled for sure.

Too expensive?  Too much burn-in?  Not needed for officework?

 

Abovementioned Samsung is crap, doesn't even have a display port input and not even VGA.  And what do you do when the battery of the remote has failed, which would be empty all the time anyway because noone is going to place it so it can be charged.  How can they build crap like that ...

 

[heimdali]

1 minute ago, Andrewtst said:

This monitor came with smart TV feature, so can watch movie during work? 

 

This is a normal spec 4K monitor, it is ok for office usage that not demand color accuracy for graphics productivity, but if you are boss then you are indirectly encouraging your subordinate watching movie and entertainment during working hour. Haha!

Lol, yes, it's more a TV than anything else.  But they won't be able to watch without a network cable plugged in or over WLAN, so that's not so easy.

 

Anyway, I need to find something better.  Buying the cheapest thing is not always a good idea ...

[Andrewtst]

7 minutes ago, heimdali said:

not even VGA

VGA cannot output 4K resolution, no point to added in and all new monitor no longer came with it. This thing is antique now.

 

7 minutes ago, heimdali said:

doesn't even have a display port

Basically if your GPU support DP, then it will support HDMI, this monitor is only 60hz 4K, HDMI 2.0 is enough for it. Unnecessary need DP.

[Andrewtst]

3 minutes ago, heimdali said:

Lol, yes, it's more a TV than anything else.  But they won't be able to watch without a network cable plugged in or over WLAN, so that's not so easy.

 

Anyway, I need to find something better.  Buying the cheapest thing is not always a good idea ...

Just connect to mobile WLAN, done settle. I think 99% user mobile came with internet data access.

[jaslion]

27 minutes ago, heimdali said:

What would you suggest for a 40", 4k monitor, to be used for office work?

 

Is the Samsung M7B S43BM700UU any good?

 

And what's the cheapest AMD graphics card you'd recommend for that?

 

Its alright but its also a tv basically in every sense.

 

Any reason you want such a massivr display for office work? If you are sittng at a normal desk distance its simply going to ve too big to be fully usefull.

 

As for gpu what pc do you have? 4k output can be done on potato systems by now.

[heimdali]

1 hour ago, Andrewtst said:

VGA cannot output 4K resolution, no point to added in and all new monitor no longer came with it. This thing is antique now.

VGA is still the most used output, and not having at least one on a monitor would be extremely inconvenient.

1 hour ago, Andrewtst said:

Basically if your GPU support DP, then it will support HDMI, this monitor is only 60hz 4K, HDMI 2.0 is enough for it. Unnecessary need DP.

I wouldn't want to pick monitors that are too limited to be of much use.  No VGA would be a very severe limit; display port might not be required.

 

1 hour ago, Andrewtst said:

Just connect to mobile WLAN, done settle. I think 99% user mobile came with internet data access.

In this country, you'll have 10GB per 4 weeks if you pay a lot for it.  If you want to watch videos over mobile internet, it'll cost you about EUR 100/month or EUR 6/24h for unlimited data, and you'd have to have good enough reception to be able to watch.

 

 

1 hour ago, jaslion said:

Its alright but its also a tv basically in every sense.

Yes, I don't like it.  It was just the cheapest I found so far.

1 hour ago, jaslion said:

Any reason you want such a massivr display for office work? If you are sittng at a normal desk distance its simply going to ve too big to be fully usefull.

Yes, it's way more productive to have 4k.  When you have a tiny display, there's no point in 4k because either everyhing will be too small, or you have to increase the screen scaling which then defeats 4k just as well.  About 40" isn't "massive", it's a good size.  Smaller is too small, if much larger it turns into a display wall which isn't too great unless you'd be sitting far enough away.  I wouldn't want to go smaller than 38".

1 hour ago, jaslion said:

As for gpu what pc do you have? 4k output can be done on potato systems by now.

Computers and GPUs haven't been picked yet other than that I want AMD cards.

[jaslion]

14 minutes ago, heimdali said:

Yes, I don't like it.  It was just the cheapest I found so far.

Yes, it's way more productive to have 4k.  When you have a tiny display, there's no point in 4k because either everyhing will be too small, or you have to increase the screen scaling which then defeats 4k just as well.  About 40" isn't "massive", it's a good size.  Smaller is too small, if much larger it turns into a display wall which isn't too great unless you'd be sitting far enough away.  I wouldn't want to go smaller than 38".

Computers and GPUs haven't been picked yet other than that I want AMD cards.

And other than office work what else do you need?

 

I mean a ryzen 3400g sounds like plenty for you then and just use the igpu. Id opt for the 5600g tho.

 

Can get a asrock deskmini and put it in there. Then you have a tiny simple beyond more than plenty system.

 

The samsung is alright just dont connect it to the internet to avoid getting adds all over.

 

Vga cant do 4k at all so obviously it wont be on a 4k monitor.

 

Vga hasnt been the most used input for years that has long since become hdmi.

 

[Andrewtst]

10 minutes ago, heimdali said:

About 40" isn't "massive", it's a good size.

I think it is too big for office usage. Idea size should be 27" ~ 32" for Wide screen monitor.

 

5 minutes ago, jaslion said:

38"

This should be Ultrawide size and this is just around 32" in longer horizontal.

[Stormseeker9]

1 hour ago, heimdali said:

Too expensive?  Too much burn-in?  Not needed for officework?

 

Abovementioned Samsung is crap, doesn't even have a display port input and not even VGA.  And what do you do when the battery of the remote has failed, which would be empty all the time anyway because noone is going to place it so it can be charged.  How can they build crap like that ...

 

‘And not even VGA’ 

 

what do you expect my dude. It is ancient. 

[heimdali]

25 minutes ago, jaslion said:

And other than office work what else do you need?

Office work and sometimes installing computers, including servers.

25 minutes ago, jaslion said:

The samsung is alright just dont connect it to the internet to avoid getting adds all over.

It already fails at the remote it comes with.

25 minutes ago, jaslion said:

Vga cant do 4k at all so obviously it wont be on a 4k monitor.

I have a 4k monitor in front of me that has a VGA input.  Displays can still display lower resolutions than their native ones and there is no reason to omit the VGA input.

25 minutes ago, jaslion said:

Vga hasnt been the most used input for years that has long since become hdmi.

VGA is still the most used output, there is not arguing about it.  What do you suggest how I connect a server or any other computer to it that has a VGA output?  Maybe there are adapters, but an extra adapter is going to disappear somewhere and I'd have to waste time searching for it, and chances are good that I won't find it.

[venomtail]

52 minutes ago, heimdali said:

VGA is still the most used output, and not having at least one on a monitor would be extremely inconvenient.

In what part of the world? Every office I've been to for the last several years has primarily moved onto DP, some HDMI still remain, mostly for laptops.

 

I don't think you should limit you choices by seeing if they have a VGA port just because you want to have an option to use a dinosaur of a port that's long dead.

[heimdali]

29 minutes ago, Andrewtst said:

I think it is too big for office usage. Idea size should be 27" ~ 32" for Wide screen monitor.

Then you have to use a scaling factor of about 2 maybe.  What's the point of 4k then?

29 minutes ago, Andrewtst said:

This should be Ultrawide size and this is just around 32" in longer horizontal.

Making a display ridiculously wide when it lacks the vertical resolution results in a useless display.  You'd need at least two of them side by side, turned by 90 degrees, to make up for the missing height.

 

[heimdali]

13 minutes ago, venomtail said:

In what part of the world? Every office I've been to for the last several years has primarily moved onto DP, some HDMI still remain, mostly for laptops.

Germany --- most places use VGA.  And it doesn't matter what other places might use.

13 minutes ago, venomtail said:

I don't think you should limit you choices by seeing if they have a VGA port just because you want to have an option to use a dinosaur of a port that's long dead.

Again, VGA is still the most used output and it's anything but dead.  There is no argueing about it.  Buy a new server from Dell today and you'll find it has a VGA output.  HP is probably not any different.  So for decades to come, VGA is still required.

 

The problem is that display manufacturers want to save a few cents by omitting the most important input, so I'll probably won't find one

 

It would be way more constructive to point out a monitor that fulfills the requirements than it is arguing about them.

 

[jaslion]

I mean yeah thats datacenter stuff. That is an entirely different branch of the tech world and does not follow the normal cycle one bit. Vga is common as all you need is a commandline usually and thus 4:3 screens are still common there too.

 

I could not know without that being specified.

 

There does not exist a 4k 38inch or bigger 16:9 current monitor without a remote that has vga.

 

Vga in consumer products has become very rare and is only really commonplace in cheaper monitors due to them using older designs. Dvi experiences the same story all be it a bit less for now.

 

38+  inch 16:9 is not a common desktop monitor size so there are very very few options and the options that are there are either gaming monitors and basically tvs (hence the remote).

 

Ultrawidr is popular for office crowd as it simplifies having multiple screens next to oneother. Most people simply dont need or want extra vertical space so thats ehy ultrawides occupy the larger monitor segment.

 

The best I can do is a 32 inch 4k screen from lg that is old stock. Scaling factor on a 32inch at 100% is usually fine (have a wacom citiq 32 inch drawing tablet and its totally fine to use).

 

If you really want bigger youll simply have to have a active vga convertor or a secondary vga monitor.

 

[venomtail]

24 minutes ago, heimdali said:

Germany --- most places use VGA.  And it doesn't matter what other places might use.

Again, VGA is still the most used output and it's anything but dead.  There is no argueing about it.  Buy a new server from Dell today and you'll find it has a VGA output.  HP is probably not any different.  So for decades to come, VGA is still required.

 

The problem is that display manufacturers want to save a few cents by omitting the most important input, so I'll probably won't find one

 

It would be way more constructive to point out a monitor that fulfills the requirements than it is arguing about them.

 

Might vary from country to country. Maybe even office types. I've been to many offices, specifically Europe, including Germany and everyone's either got DP for stationary machines or HDMI/Type C when the whole office prefers to work from their laptops that they carry around. VGA as an output is dead, no one wants it and no ones makes it. Budget motherboards maybe have DVI at best.

 

My point of reference is my office's current small Dell OptiPlex's. They literally only have DP or HDMI out, and that's for all of them for the whole building. Sure we have some HDMI/DP to DVI adaptors because we still use like 10 year old monitors that will be replaced by 2k ones when these give up.

 

Wanting a 4k monitor that has a port that itself can't even run what you've buying it to run in the first place seems like actively trying to make things difficult for yourself. Let go of the past and look towards the future.

[Andrewtst]

2 hours ago, heimdali said:

VGA is still the most used output

Seriously! If you told me VGA is still the most used output 10 years ago, then I will tell you yes definately! Now it is rare thing and this 4K is not support output by VGA, what is the purpose added in this not usable input? If the PC you use only have VGA port, that PC is surely not powerful enough to handling 4K resolution also.

1 hour ago, heimdali said:

Germany --- most places use VGA.

Are you going to moving around your monitor? If not most place use VGA or not is doesn't matter. If they use VGA in old PC that is make sense, but you are picking 4K resolution monitor and you want to use VGA input that don't have bandwidth to handle it?

 

Germany is such a big growth country and you told me most places still use VGA? I doubt about it.

 

LCD/LED/OLED is not like CRT where you can set multiple resolution and all still clear and sharp, LCD/LED/OLED only clear and sharp in native resolution.

1 hour ago, heimdali said:

server from Dell today and you'll find it has a VGA output.

Server is different story, nobody will using 4K monitor for server. Server don't even have proper GPU to handling high resolution. Also most people already switch to VM where direct connect to server itself is unnecessary after you had done setup the server.

1 hour ago, heimdali said:

The problem is that display manufacturers want to save a few cents by omitting the most important input

That is not the case but instead purely because of you are asking included something that is not working. 

1 hour ago, heimdali said:

Displays can still display lower resolutions than their native ones

What is the point here?  Buying 4K but using as 1080p or lower? Seriously? This is worst than using scaling factor.

1 hour ago, heimdali said:

Office work and sometimes installing computers, including servers.

This usage only required a 1080p or even 720p monitor will do. 4K is not for such usage and you plan to use giant size 40" as server monitor? Seriously?

1 hour ago, heimdali said:

hen you have to use a scaling factor of about 2 maybe.  What's the point of 4k then?

2x means 200% - then it is no point but I only need 125% scaling for 32" monitor in 4k. 

[heimdali]

30 minutes ago, jaslion said:

The best I can do is a 32 inch 4k screen from lg that is old stock. Scaling factor on a 32inch at 100% is usually fine (have a wacom citiq 32 inch drawing tablet and its totally fine to use).

 

If you really want bigger youll simply have to have a active vga convertor or a secondary vga monitor.

 

Before going that small, it's better to go without VGA.  If I had only 32" with a scaling factor of 1, I'd need a magnifying glass, and so would the people who'd usually be using these monitors.

[Andrewtst]

Just now, heimdali said:

Before going that small, it's better to go without VGA.  If I had only 32" with a scaling factor of 1, I'd need a magnifying glass, and so would the people who'd usually be using these monitors.

I do agreed 100% in 32" for 4K do a bit small but you only need extra 25% scaling.

 

A 4k 32" in 125% scaling look very similar as 1440p 27" in 100% scaling and this size is very usable and look perfectly fine without impact to your eye tiredness.

[heimdali]

10 minutes ago, Andrewtst said:

I do agreed 100% in 32" for 4K do a bit small but you only need extra 25% scaling.

 

A 4k 32" in 125% scaling look very similar as 1440p 27" in 100% scaling and this size is very usable and look perfectly fine without impact to your eye tiredness.

So why 4k then?  One could go with a low resolution on a small display and scale it up as needed and save quite some money.

 

[Stahlmann]

3 hours ago, heimdali said:

Germany --- most places use VGA.  And it doesn't matter what other places might use.

Again, VGA is still the most used output and it's anything but dead.  There is no argueing about it.  Buy a new server from Dell today and you'll find it has a VGA output.  HP is probably not any different.  So for decades to come, VGA is still required.

 

The problem is that display manufacturers want to save a few cents by omitting the most important input, so I'll probably won't find one

 

It would be way more constructive to point out a monitor that fulfills the requirements than it is arguing about them.

 

VGA is outdated and it isn't used by anything else than old legacy devices or server applications that only need a basic diagnostic display. It's time you move on with your live and start accepting that HDMI and DP are technically superior and the standard connectors. They have been for years.

 

2 hours ago, Andrewtst said:

Seriously! If you told me VGA is still the most used output 10 years ago, then I will tell you yes definately! Now it is rare thing and this 4K is not support output by VGA, what is the purpose added in this not usable input? If the PC you use only have VGA port, that PC is surely not powerful enough to handling 4K resolution also.

Are you going to moving around your monitor? If not most place use VGA or not is doesn't matter. If they use VGA in old PC that is make sense, but you are picking 4K resolution monitor and you want to use VGA input that don't have bandwidth to handle it?

 

Germany is such a big growth country and you told me most places still use VGA? I doubt about it.

 

LCD/LED/OLED is not like CRT where you can set multiple resolution and all still clear and sharp, LCD/LED/OLED only clear and sharp in native resolution.

Server is different story, nobody will using 4K monitor for server. Server don't even have proper GPU to handling high resolution. Also most people already switch to VM where direct connect to server itself is unnecessary after you had done setup the server.

That is not the case but instead purely because of you are asking included something that is not working. 

What is the point here?  Buying 4K but using as 1080p or lower? Seriously? This is worst than using scaling factor.

This usage only required a 1080p or even 720p monitor will do. 4K is not for such usage and you plan to use giant size 40" as server monitor? Seriously?

2x means 200% - then it is no point but I only need 125% scaling for 32" monitor in 4k. 

I've had this discussion with him in the past. VGA is dead other than very few niche use cases. And that's also the case in Germany. I have no idea why he's clinging to this connector so hard.

[Stahlmann]

5 hours ago, heimdali said:

What would you suggest for a 40", 4k monitor, to be used for office work?

 

Is the Samsung M7B S43BM700UU any good?

 

And what's the cheapest AMD graphics card you'd recommend for that?

 

 

PS:

+ should (this is almost a must) have VGA input

+ should have HDMI inputs

+ must have display port inputs

+ colour calibration is not required

+ should have a VESA mount

+ must have feet/stand so it can stand on a desk

+ power supply should be built in

+ size: at least 38", about 40", not over 50"

There isn't much you can do wrong for an office monitor. Just go one with decent text clarity (so basically high resolution) and the size you want. You don't have to look out for good response times or color performance. Every monitor has at least one HDMI or DisplayPort nowadays, just like every GPU. So you also don't have to look out for a specific connector.

 

I'd just filter for what you wrote in your OP, then pick the cheapest one. In this case it's this one: LG 43UN700-B ab € 518,50 (2022) | Preisvergleich Geizhals Deutschland

 

[Andrewtst]

1 hour ago, Stahlmann said:

I've had this discussion with him in the past.

Thanks for this information, I am stopping replying in this case. Let him continue though VGA is freaking important.