Increased power consumption

[Deadpool3049]

Ok now I may or may not be barking up the wrong tree here but have gpu manufacturers got the memo about the cost of living increase in electricity and gas cost it just seem to me that you need and even bigger psu now to run the dam things mean extra cost on your electricity bill, also where is the green credentials for this and for the nay sayers yes I am talking about globe warming and yes it a real thing, the logic here just doesn't follow

[BetteBalterZen]

Well, I guess I agree... If what goes on continues, then in 2-3 years, it's normal for a gaming GPU to pull +500 watts and that IMO is not good and should not be allowed. I hope that at least in the EU that we get some sort of law saying how much power a personal computer not meant for work related stuff is allowed to pull. But I don't think we will see any sort of law on this any time soon. 

[Applefreak]

3 minutes ago, Deadpool3049 said:

Ok now I may or may not be barking up the wrong tree here but have gpu manufacturers got the memo about the cost of living increase in electricity and gas cost it just seem to me that you need and even bigger psu now to run the dam things mean extra cost on your electricity bill, also where is the green credentials for this and for the nay sayers yes I am talking about globe warming and yes it a real thing, the logic here just doesn't follow

GPUs take years to develop. The current or next gen has been in development for at least 4 years now. So back then this was not an issue, seeing as people horded those cards by the thousands and ran large scale mining ops. 

Personally I'd wait for more power efficient cards to upgrade to. Our municipal power company just raised the price per kw/h to 39.88 cents. AFAIK they will raise the price again in march to 56.9 cents, unless some miracle happens. 

[jaslion]

6 minutes ago, Applefreak said:

GPUs take years to develop. The current or next gen has been in development for at least 4 years now. So back then this was not an issue, seeing as people horded those cards by the thousands and ran large scale mining ops. 

Personally I'd wait for more power efficient cards to upgrade to. Our municipal power company just raised the price per kw/h to 39.88 cents. AFAIK they will raise the price again in march to 56.9 cents, unless some miracle happens. 

Its insanity. I got dumb lucky by making a 5 year contract 1 month before covid energy prices ended. The moment that thing ends I honestly do not know what to do. My energy bill will at least 10x

[jaslion]

30 minutes ago, Applefreak said:

GPUs take years to develop. The current or next gen has been in development for at least 4 years now. So back then this was not an issue, seeing as people horded those cards by the thousands and ran large scale mining ops. 

Personally I'd wait for more power efficient cards to upgrade to. Our municipal power company just raised the price per kw/h to 39.88 cents. AFAIK they will raise the price again in march to 56.9 cents, unless some miracle happens. 

Also the 2000 series showed how power efficient a card could be.

 

The 3000 series and 4000 series is actually very power efficient too but nvidis redlines them so hard that for a mere 5% performance drop the 4090 can consume up to 150w less

[Poinkachu]

52 minutes ago, Deadpool3049 said:

Ok now I may or may not be barking up the wrong tree here but have gpu manufacturers got the memo about the cost of living increase in electricity and gas cost it just seem to me that you need and even bigger psu now to run the dam things mean extra cost on your electricity bill, also where is the green credentials for this and for the nay sayers yes I am talking about globe warming and yes it a real thing, the logic here just doesn't follow

Pretty sure the users pretty much half the reason it's like this.

 

49 minutes ago, BetteBalterZen said:

Well, I guess I agree... If what goes on continues, then in 2-3 years, it's normal for a gaming GPU to pull +500 watts and that IMO is not good and should not be allowed. I hope that at least in the EU that we get some sort of law saying how much power a personal computer not meant for work related stuff is allowed to pull. But I don't think we will see any sort of law on this any time soon. 

Soon, maybe.

[BetteBalterZen]

1 hour ago, Poinkachu said:

Pretty sure the users pretty much half the reason it's like this.

 

Soon, maybe.

 

[IkeaGnome]

These prices are getting outrageous! 1.5% increase this quarter. 

[cmndr]

Each generation is more cost effective than the last. This includes power consumption. Perf/watt keeps on going up. 

You don't HAVE to buy the fastest card on the market. It's an option, not a requirement. And if all you do is play esports, you probably want to be using an OLED unit with VRR while setting the frame cap to 3Hz below your monitor's refresh rate. https://blurbusters.com/gsync/gsync101-input-lag-tests-and-settings/15/

Chances are you didn't either, the 4090s are in short supply the last I checked. 

[SimplyChunk]

I'm with @cmndr on this one.  Yes, the 4090 can sup down up to 600W of power but you don't have to buy it.  A 1660 super is still more than enough for 1080p gaming and that barely uses 125W

[LogicalDrm]

Besides what has already been said. GPUs are still luxury item that you only buy for A) For pleasure, B) For business. And if its latter, you embed price of having better hardware to cost that your customers are paying. Thats how business works, and thats why everything is more expensive also.

[ImorallySourcedElectrons]

There's a catch-22 to all of this, a hotter running GPU will consume more power, the issue is that the leakage current with LVCMOS technologies is exponentially tied to the junction temperature, and power dissipation is tied to the current squared, so you can imagine how that one goes... Basically, if it gets hotter it starts using more power, which means it gets hotter, which lets through a larger leakage current, meaning it uses even more power, etc. This goes on until either the heatsink starts to catch up and you reach thermal equilibrium, or until a part of the chip slows down due to thermal protection features. This also means if you reduce the power output even slightly, you get a lot of gains.

[FlappyBoobs]

The current price for a 4080 would build you a 13900k based system without a GPU. Let that sink in, the GPU costs more than the rest of an entire top tier build. The target market is not worried about saving $5 in electricity if they are paying used car prices for a fucking GPU.