i7 12700k to start the ddr5 era? yay or nay?

[Athreous]

Would it be a good idea to start a new setup with an i7 12700k?

 

I'm planning to make an upgrade, since my current setup is not good enough for games like Cyberpunk and Spider-man, but I'm still kinda lost...

 

My current setup is:

 

Ryzen 5 3600x

RTX 3070

16gb ddr4 3200mhz

700w corsair PSU

3200mb/s SSD

 

I watched this video where they were comparing Ryzen 7 5800x3d, Ryzen 9 7700x and i7 12700k (with a ddr5 config) but I'm so confused lol...

 

The best choice would be an i7 12700k I think, since it's future proof (the new intel socket and ddr5), but is it worth it?

[Brooksie359]

That makes no sense. How is the 12700k future proof? It's not like it's performance is suddenly going to get better. It's performance is what it is and the other cpus are objectively faster. Personally I would get the 5800x3d if you already are on the AM4 platform. 

[Athreous]

Just now, Brooksie359 said:

That makes no sense. How is the 12700k future proof? It's not like it's performance is suddenly going to get better. It's performance is what it is and the other cpus are objectively faster. Personally I would get the 5800x3d if you already are on the AM4 platform. 

I mean the platform, sorry! 

[Dedayog]

What resolution are you playing?  Think you have more issues with your 3070 than with the 3600x, if Cyberpunk is an issue.  At 1080p, your rig is fine.  At 1440p, the 3070 will mostly be the limiter.  So may look into that as well.

[invaderSnarf]

You are going to need a new socket regardless if you go team red or team blue. I would say wait for a little bit and see what turns out to be the better platform. I'd wait until we see how AM5 and LGA 1700 hash out by the end of 2023 or even 2024 before going for a new build to future proof yourself. 

[Athreous]

Just now, Dedayog said:

What resolution are you playing?  Think you have more issues with your 3070 than with the 3600x, if Cyberpunk is an issue.  At 1080p, your rig is fine.  At 1440p, the 3070 will mostly be the limiter.  So may look into that as well.

I noticed that 1080 and 2k have almost no impact in performance, I have like 10-15 less fps in 2k than in 1080p, so i'm sticking with 2k.

[Dedayog]

1 minute ago, Athreous said:

I noticed that 1080 and 2k have almost no impact in performance, I have like 10-15 less fps in 2k than in 1080p, so i'm sticking with 2k.

What is 2k resolution?

[Athreous]

Just now, invaderSnarf said:

You are going to need a new socket regardless if you go team red or team blue. I would say wait for a little bit and see what turns out to be the better platform. I'd wait until we see how AM5 and LGA 1700 hash out by the end of 2023 or even 2024 before going for a new build to future proof yourself. 

If I get only the ryzen 7 5800x3d, I'd save a lot of money not getting a new mobo/psu/ddr5, but I don't know how good this would be.

[Origami Cactus]

7 minutes ago, Athreous said:

I mean the platform, sorry! 

Again, the same question, how is the platform the i7 12700k futureproof?

It has had it's last cpus released, so it is again, a dead platform.

Currently only AM5 is a platform with atleast 3 years of new cpu releases planned, AM4 and intel whatever are both pretty much dead.

[Athreous]

Just now, Origami Cactus said:

Again, the same question, how is the platform the i7 12700k futureproof?

It has had it's last cpus released, so it is again, a dead platform.

Currently only AM5 is a platform with atleast 3 years of new cpu releases planned, AM4 and intel whatever are both pretty much dead.

Oh, I see, so the i7 12700k only supports ddr4/5, but it's not a new socket, so I still need to upgrade my mobo later if I want to get a new cpu. I didn't know that... 

[Dedayog]

2 minutes ago, Athreous said:

If I get only the ryzen 7 5800x3d, I'd save a lot of money not getting a new mobo/psu/ddr5, but I don't know how good this would be.

It'll be roughly as good as any other CPU at 1440p and 4K, as you'll be GPU bound.

[invaderSnarf]

For current games I am failing to see the actual advantage that switching to a new platform would give, even if it grants you DDR5 access. Games will need to be built around DDR5 speeds to actually take advantage of it. Yes, some benefit will be seen, but nothing groundbreaking compared to what we have access to now on AM4 and LGA-1200.

 

Unless we are tech youtubers, or in the industry and need to shave minutes off render times, don't be in a rush to build and adopt the bleeding edge.

[Athreous]

Just now, invaderSnarf said:

For current games I am failing to see the actual advantage that switching to a new platform would give, even if it grants you DDR5 access. Games will need to be built around DDR5 speeds to actually take advantage of it. Yes, some benefit will be seen, but nothing groundbreaking compared to what we have access to now on AM4 and LGA-1200.

 

Unless we are tech youtubers, or in the industry and need to shave minutes off render times, don't be in a rush to build and adopt the bleeding edge.

So a ryzen 7 5800x3d upgrade should be enough to play some current games and still work while we don't see massive changes in gaming, right?

[invaderSnarf]

4 minutes ago, Athreous said:

So a ryzen 7 5800x3d upgrade should be enough to play some current games and still work while we don't see massive changes in gaming, right?

Yes, for gaming that should be enough for standard gaming. GPU's are about the only thing you would want to look at upgrading for the next coulple of years. In maybe two years you will have to start knocking down settings but it won't block you from gaming, especially if you are not going above 1440p.

[Ebony Falcon]

13600k slightly better and cheeper and reuse ur ram on ddr4 board 

[Brooksie359]

1 hour ago, Ebony Falcon said:

13600k slightly better and cheeper and reuse ur ram on ddr4 board 

No it isn't. The 13600k is slower than the r7 5800x3d when paired with ddr4 memory. I feel like this is a huge oversight is people looking at the ddr5 performance of the new cpus and taking that and comparing it with other cpus when you plan to pair it with ddr4 memory. 13th gen Intel needs ddr5 to be the fastest gaming cpus on the market. With ddr4 they are a good deal slower than the top cpu out now. 

[Ebony Falcon]

13 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

No it isn't. The 13600k is slower than the r7 5800x3d when paired with ddr4 memory. I feel like this is a huge oversight is people looking at the ddr5 performance of the new cpus and taking that and comparing it with other cpus when you plan to pair it with ddr4 memory. 13th gen Intel needs ddr5 to be the fastest gaming cpus on the market. With ddr4 they are a good deal slower than the top cpu out now. 

The question I was answering was I. Relation to a 12700k not a 58003dx

[Athreous]

7 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

No it isn't. The 13600k is slower than the r7 5800x3d when paired with ddr4 memory. I feel like this is a huge oversight is people looking at the ddr5 performance of the new cpus and taking that and comparing it with other cpus when you plan to pair it with ddr4 memory. 13th gen Intel needs ddr5 to be the fastest gaming cpus on the market. With ddr4 they are a good deal slower than the top cpu out now. 

I was reading this article about how hot the new AMD cpus are getting, and I live in Brazil, where it can get extremely hot sometimes, so I'd need a very good cooler to keep the 7000x cool enough... 

 

I want to get a new socket cpu, but with these temperatures, I might stick with the 5800x3d...

[Ebony Falcon]

19 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

No it isn't. The 13600k is slower than the r7 5800x3d when paired with ddr4 memory. I feel like this is a huge oversight is people looking at the ddr5 performance of the new cpus and taking that and comparing it with other cpus when you plan to pair it with ddr4 memory. 13th gen Intel needs ddr5 to be the fastest gaming cpus on the market. With ddr4 they are a good deal slower than the top cpu out now. 

But yea as you can see ddr5 is insanely faster

[Brooksie359]

32 minutes ago, Ebony Falcon said:

But yea as you can see ddr5 is insanely faster

On average 3600mhz ddr4 which I would argue is what most people get as its the most reasonably priced is about 10% slower than your 6400mhz ddr5 memory which is again the most reasonably priced ddr5 memory. Sure you want to say that 10% isn't significant but that is a difference in performance between 1 generation of cpus so yeah I would say it's significant otherwise why even bother with the new gen cpus to begin with. 

[Ebony Falcon]

4 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

On average 3600mhz ddr4 which I would argue is what most people get as its the most reasonably priced is about 10% slower than your 6400mhz ddr5 memory which is again the most reasonably priced ddr5 memory. Sure you want to say that 10% isn't significant but that is a difference in performance between 1 generation of cpus so yeah I would say it's significant otherwise why even bother with the new gen cpus to begin with. 

I would say on the 41 game average it was 4 percent and since he already has ram it makes sense to reuse it as adding 25 percent to the platform cost does not justify 4 percent performance uplift 

 

6400mt ram is 180 minimum 

reuse 3200mt for arguments sake 10 percent performance is a no brainier 

that gets you a better gpu or a 13700k 

[Brooksie359]

1 hour ago, Ebony Falcon said:

I would say on the 41 game average it was 4 percent and since he already has ram it makes sense to reuse it as adding 25 percent to the platform cost does not justify 4 percent performance uplift 

 

6400mt ram is 180 minimum 

reuse 3200mt for arguments sake 10 percent performance is a no brainier 

that gets you a better gpu or a 13700k 

Stop with the nonsense as the benchmarks you are referring to are using a i9 12900k and have 0 relevance to this conversation so don't go siting a 41 game round up that isn't even applicable. Go look at actual benchmarks of the cpu we are discussing. Also regardless if you are sticking with the ddr4 then go the r7 5800x3d as it is faster than the i5 13600k when paired with ddr4 memory and this would also allow op to keep their motherboard saving even more money. 

[Ebony Falcon]

6 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

Stop with the nonsense as the benchmarks you are referring to are using a i9 12900k and have 0 relevance to this conversation so don't go siting a 41 game round up that isn't even applicable. Go look at actual benchmarks of the cpu we are discussing. Also regardless if you are sticking with the ddr4 then go the r7 5800x3d as it is faster than the i5 13600k when paired with ddr4 memory and this would also allow op to keep their motherboard saving even more money. 

The benchmark shows the difference between 4 and 5 which will be the same with all alderlake and raptor lake cpus in terms of scaling Msi it is relavent.

Also I don’t give a monkeys about the 5800x3d op was asking about the 12700k to which my reply is if your looking at 12700k the 13600k is cheeper and faster 

ddr4 or 5 will scale the same on both of those platforms but since he already has ddr4 ram my recomendation is 13600k and reuses his ram 

[1982 Original]

I wouldn’t buy a 12700k. As it’s been said, the 13600k is a smidge better and cheaper. I also wouldn’t buy the 5800x3d. I don’t think it’s better than the 13600k in my research. 

[NF-A12x25]

3 hours ago, Ebony Falcon said:

But yea as you can see ddr5 is insanely faster

the screenshots you shared directly contradict this statement, it’s barely faster at all