Putting artic 2 AIO in a fridge to cool it. Ideas?

[SinOfLiberty]

Basically throw it in a fridge for 12 hors. 

 

Afterwards, take out, Mount and bench.

 

Ideas? Really need to drop few more degrees. Water should be Co enough by then

[Zando_]

It'd heat back up very quickly, AIO do not have enough liquid to remain cold for very long (thermal mass is the term I think). 

 

Pull off the fans, put the AIO radiator in a cooler full of ice water, that will actually work, have seen a bunch of people use that for benchmarking when they don't have a chiller, with both custom loops and AIOs (custom loop would be easier as you can make the tubing as long as you want). 

[heimdali]

Freezing an AIO?  Doesn't it blow up from the freezing water expanding?

 

[jaslion]

6 minutes ago, Zando_ said:

It'd heat back up very quickly, AIO do not have enough liquid to remain cold for very log (thermal mass is the term I think). 

 

Pull off the fans, put the AIO radiator in a cooler full of ice water, that will actually work, have seen a bunch of people use that for benchmarking when they don't have a chiller, with both custom loops and AIOs (custom loop would be easier as you can make the tubing as long as you want). 

To even increase efficiency more people put an aquarium pump in the water to make sure it's constantly mixing the liquid.

[IkeaGnome]

Just now, heimdali said:

Freezing an AIO?  Doesn't it blow up from the freezing water expanding?

 

Fridge =/ a freezer.

[WereCat]

You'll have more success by taking the fans off the radiator and submerge it into a bucket of cold water. Then prepare another bucket of cold water once the 1st one starts to heat up and keep switching like this between them for the duration of the bench.

[heimdali]

Just now, IkeaGnome said:

Fridge =/ a freezer.

I thought so, but what does happen when you freeze one?  Maybe there's still enough room for the water to expand?  Is there antifreeze in it?

 

[jaslion]

1 minute ago, heimdali said:

I thought so, but what does happen when you freeze one?  Maybe there's still enough room for the water to expand?  Is there antifreeze in it?

 

No antifreeze. Wouldn't make sense to have that as they are never supposed to be in those enviroments.

 

If you freeze it it's gonna do nothing. As the liquid will be forzen and that will basically guaranteed kill the pump.

[Slave2school]

1 minute ago, heimdali said:

I thought so, but what does happen when you freeze one?  Maybe there's still enough room for the water to expand?  Is there antifreeze in it?

 

If you guys want to see what happens I have an old corsair cooler I can put in my chicken freezer and see what happens but I bet it isn't good.

[Echothedolpin]

11 minutes ago, Slave2school said:

If you guys want to see what happens I have an old corsair cooler I can put in my chicken freezer and see what happens but I bet it isn't good.

Probably wouldn’t burst, but it wouldn’t function either.

[SinOfLiberty]

Ideas how to take these Fucking 5c off?

 

[Blue4130]

36 minutes ago, jaslion said:

No antifreeze. Wouldn't make sense to have that as they are never supposed to be in those enviroments.

 

If you freeze it it's gonna do nothing. As the liquid will be forzen and that will basically guaranteed kill the pump.

They have glycol, isn't that just antifreeze?

[heimdali]

26 minutes ago, Blue4130 said:

They have glycol, isn't that just antifreeze?

Yes, it is --- maybe that's why it's called Arctic

[heimdali]

1 hour ago, jaslion said:

No antifreeze. Wouldn't make sense to have that as they are never supposed to be in those enviroments.

What if you use it some place where it's cold, like a garage in Alaska.  How are you gona ship it?

1 hour ago, jaslion said:

If you freeze it it's gonna do nothing. As the liquid will be forzen and that will basically guaranteed kill the pump.

What kind of reliability is that ... ah, unreliability ...

56 minutes ago, SinOfLiberty said:

Ideas how to take these Fucking 5c off?

If you make it colder, it might freeze and kill the pump ...  To get it colder, you could make your own watercooling with antifreeze in it and put the radiator in a freezer, or try a bucket with ice in it right out of a freezer where it gets to -18C.  Add salt to the ice to get it colder, that's how they used to make ice cream.  But water ice melts at 0C, so it might not as easy to get it colder as you might expect, hence the salt.

 

Or move the setup into a garage in Alaska.

 

[tkitch]

1 hour ago, WereCat said:

You'll have more success by taking the fans off the radiator and submerge it into a bucket of cold water. Then prepare another bucket of cold water once the 1st one starts to heat up and keep switching like this between them for the duration of the bench.

This.

A 5 gallon bucket of ice water to hold the Radiator.

 

Point a couple of cheap aquarium pumps at the rad, and have them shoot water.

 

Enjoy your super sketch super cold aio

[jaslion]

1 hour ago, Blue4130 said:

They have glycol, isn't that just antifreeze?

Depends on the unit heavily. Also the amount in there. It's NOT a guarantee

[SinOfLiberty]

1 hour ago, WereCat said:

You'll have more success by taking the fans off the radiator and submerge it into a bucket of cold water. Then prepare another bucket of cold water once the 1st one starts to heat up and keep switching like this between them for the duration of the bench.

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[heimdali]

On 10/27/2022 at 2:25 AM, tkitch said:

This.

A 5 gallon bucket of ice water to hold the Radiator.

 

Point a couple of cheap aquarium pumps at the rad, and have them shoot water.

 

Enjoy your super sketch super cold aio

That would need at least some salt.

 

On 10/27/2022 at 2:37 AM, SinOfLiberty said:

FUCK YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!

How did you manage?

 

 

On 10/27/2022 at 2:36 AM, jaslion said:

Depends on the unit heavily. Also the amount in there. It's NOT a guarantee

You still need to be able to at least ship them, no matter what unit.  Either you have to guarantee that they don't blow when frozen or keep them above 0C all the time during shipping and storage or you simply put antifreeze in, which seems the much easier and cheaper solution.  You don't want algae or whatever to grow in them and plug them up (or maybe you do), so you probably put additives anyway (or not).

 

[SinOfLiberty]

[SinOfLiberty]

Should I manually input.voltage if I already set manual voltage in bios?

[heimdali]

Why are the ratio limits not all the same?

 

[jaslion]

9 hours ago, heimdali said:

You still need to be able to at least ship them, no matter what unit.  Either you have to guarantee that they don't blow when frozen or keep them above 0C all the time during shipping and storage or you simply put antifreeze in, which seems the much easier and cheaper solution.  You don't want algae or whatever to grow in them and plug them up (or maybe you do), so you probably put additives anyway (or not).

 

Yes most have some solution in there and allow for expansion BUT it's never pure glycol it's always a blend of stuff to keep it as cheap as possible.

 

People have done the freezin aio by accident thing multiple times when doing the -10c hang aio outside thing when the pc wasnt running and the pump struggled because the consistency of the fluid changed.

 

They are very much so not designed to operate below freezing temps.

[Blue4130]

1 hour ago, jaslion said:

Yes most have some solution in there and allow for expansion BUT it's never pure glycol it's always a blend of stuff to keep it as cheap as possible.

 

People have done the freezin aio by accident thing multiple times when doing the -10c hang aio outside thing when the pc wasnt running and the pump struggled because the consistency of the fluid changed.

 

They are very much so not designed to operate below freezing temps.

Antifreeze isn't pure glycol either. At least the stuff I use in - 40c Saskatchewan isn't 

[heimdali]

Glycol doesn't transport the heat as well as water does.  They would only need to put as much antifreeze in as is needed to survive shipping, and when they specify a operating temperature range, they're probably on the save side.