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Can a VA monitor ever look color accurate and color rich?

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14 minutes ago, e22big said:

It's important for colour critical works, basically the whole reason you want your display calibrate - so that on a good monitor with correct colour space, you know that your image will look the same if both calibrate theirs to 6500k.

 

I used to work in a publishing industry and caused really a lot back and forth when neither of us correct our display to the same temperature (we use paper as white point reference - yeah that was a while ago)

That the reason I said color accuracy is important only if you use it for productivity business usage.

 

For home use, it is good to get closer but not serious important to exact color match industrial standard. 

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46 minutes ago, e22big said:

Wash out is probably not exactly the correct word, but the constrast seems to be lower than normal for some reason (know because there's a very noticable black raised, which can be fixed by adjusting digital contrast a little)

A bit lower contrast is normal when using ICC profiles. But we're normally talking about minor, mostly unnoticeable differences. For example 1000:1 uncalibrated, 950:1 calibrated.

 

46 minutes ago, e22big said:

but yeah, like you said, it could be just that most people are more more used to unclampped over saturated colour than accurate SDR. I personally prefer to hardware calibrate my display without using sRGB mode

Yes, hardware calibration is the best way. But sadly almost no monitor offers this option. That's one of the reasons i like LG TV's. They allow you to upload a 3D LUT, which makes them the most accurate consumer displays you can have.

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4 hours ago, Stahlmann said:

No. If you calibrate the monitor to sRGB, it will be clamped exactly to sRGB. There is no washing out. It might look that way because you're used to oversaturated colors, but it isn't. It's as you said, you're just used to oversaturated colors:

So the vast majority of ~99% sRGB IPS monitors have oversaturated colors? Have you seen how rich and vibrant they look?

I've had a few IPS monitors, even some not gaming but more professional oriented, they all looked like that on the Standard mode, which is the mode that usually has the less saturation.

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14 minutes ago, DSD27 said:

So the vast majority of ~99% sRGB IPS monitors have oversaturated colors? Have you seen how rich and vibrant they look?

No, most 99% sRGB monitors aren't oversaturated. But the ones that market over 100% sRGB are typically oversaturated. But how or if they're oversaturated depends on the model. Looking up reviews from RTINGS.com is a good source for this information.

 

All my monitors are wide gamut, so well over 100% sRGB. And yes, i can generally see if saturation is around what sRGB should be or if it's oversaturated.

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Best I could do with this monitor is forget about the ICC profile. I've calibrated the gamma with windows calibration tool. And I now use NovideosRGB to clamp it to sRGB. I left NVIDIA control panel all at default. This looks better than any configuration involving the ICC profile.

Do you know if I need the wide gamut ICC profile to use HDR? Or is it irrelevant?

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8 minutes ago, DSD27 said:

Best I could do with this monitor is forget about the ICC profile. I've calibrated the gamma with windows calibration tool. And I now use NovideosRGB to clamp it to sRGB. I left NVIDIA control panel all at default. This looks better than any configuration involving the ICC profile.

Do you know if I need the wide gamut ICC profile to use HDR? Or is it irrelevant?

For HDR it's irrelevant. In HDR you're normally using the wide gamut either way.

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8 minutes ago, Stahlmann said:

For HDR it's irrelevant. In HDR you're normally using the wide gamut either way.

Yeah. But I was thinking, shouldn't you need something to tell the OS that you have a wide gamut display? That's the job of the ICC profile provided by Asus.

Yet I've also noticed that Youtube videos ignore the ICC profile in SDR.

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8 minutes ago, DSD27 said:

Yeah. But I was confused, shouldn't you need something to tell the OS that you have a wide gamut display? That's the job of the ICC profile provided by Asus.

But I've also noticed that Youtube videos ignore the ICC profile in SDR.

The OS doesn't really know if your monitor is wide gamut or not.

 

The OS just sends a color value to the monitor. Whether that monitor displays the correct one or an oversaturated one is up to the monitor. ICC profiles basically change the color value to a "wrong" color to compensate for the inaccuracity of your monitor so the end result is the correct color.

 

That's why hardware calibration is a great thing that's sadly not possible on most monitors. ICC profile overall have limited useability. Most apps don't use their information.

 

The main reason why the new Windows 11 HDR calibration feature is a big letdown is also that all this app does is create an ICC profile with very basic information like minimum brightness, maximum brightness and saturation.

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45 minutes ago, Stahlmann said:

The main reason why the new Windows 11 HDR calibration feature is a big letdown is also that all this app does is create an ICC profile with very basic information like minimum brightness, maximum brightness and saturation.

And what happens to the ICC profile you already had with gamma calibration for SDR?

Didn't even know about it. Gonna try it...

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11 minutes ago, DSD27 said:

And what happens to the ICC profile you already had with gamma calibration for SDR?

Tbh i'm not sure. I haven't used them since i got into HDR displays (where i can use hardware calibration).

 

They could mess up HDR, or they could do nothing. I really don't know.

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6 hours ago, Stahlmann said:

Tbh i'm not sure. I haven't used them since i got into HDR displays (where i can use hardware calibration).

 

They could mess up HDR, or they could do nothing. I really don't know.

I found out right after. The HDR ICC profile is added separately as an "advanced ICC profile".

The HDR calibration tool improved my HDR massively, I can use HDR now. I thought HDR400 was jus terrible but it is actually usable after all.

Also, with HDR, the colors in SDR content look correct, not oversaturated and not washed out. Funny. Too bad there's always some yellowish tint in the desktop, otherwise I could leave it ON all the time.

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