4090 pricing, big differences

[neyoneit]

Hi,

 

can someone enlighten me why is "GAINWARD GeForce RTX 4090 Phantom 24GB" 20% cheaper than "MSI GeForce RTX 4090 GAMING X TRIO 24G"?

In my country Czechia geinward phantom costs "48 490 czk" which is aprox "1 933 usd" and msi x trio is "59990 czk" which is aprox "2 391 usd".

I dont understand how can there be 460 usd difference on same card O_o...

is there big difference in performance of each card or just bigger margin from MSI?

 

Can someone, please, explain?

 

Thanks a lot.

Best regards,

neyoneit

[wildgg]

12 minutes ago, neyoneit said:

is there big difference in performance of each card or just bigger margin from MSI?

a 4090 is a 4090, the silicon(chip) is the same on every 4090.
main difference are the designs, cooling, looks, quality etcetc.

[WereCat]

If the Gainward is anything like the Palit Gamerock, Gigabyte Windforce or Zotac Trinity then it has the cheapest possible design approved by NVIDIA. Which means it has VRM that will run hot and not last as long, worse cooling, cheaper materials, etc....

 

The card will still perform basically the same but it may not last long or as long as other cards with better design under constant load.

 

Furthermore 1950eur is around what these cards should actually cost in the EU, anything above 2000eur is retailers throwing big margins.

[ewitte]

46 minutes ago, WereCat said:

If the Gainward is anything like the Palit Gamerock, Gigabyte Windforce or Zotac Trinity then it has the cheapest possible design approved by NVIDIA. Which means it has VRM that will run hot and not last as long, worse cooling, cheaper materials, etc....

 

The card will still perform basically the same but it may not last long or as long as other cards with better design under constant load.

 

Furthermore 1950eur is around what these cards should actually cost in the EU, anything above 2000eur is retailers throwing big margins.

Every review I've seen has insane cooling even for the MSRP models.  Plus are typically voltage locked with a lot of power left on the table.

[WereCat]

5 minutes ago, ewitte said:

Every review I've seen has insane cooling even for the MSRP models.  Plus are typically voltage locked with a lot of power left on the table.

The VRM on the cards I mentioned are bare minimum and I would not use cards with this VRM design for long term loads... it's however most likely fine for gaming. I wouldn't recommend to OC on this at all as well.

[ewitte]

28 minutes ago, WereCat said:

The VRM on the cards I mentioned are bare minimum and I would not use cards with this VRM design for long term loads... it's however most likely fine for gaming. I wouldn't recommend to OC on this at all as well.

That may be Nvidia has pretty high minimums, but my comment was directed to "running hot".

[Shzzit]

1 hour ago, WereCat said:

The VRM on the cards I mentioned are bare minimum and I would not use cards with this VRM design for long term loads... it's however most likely fine for gaming. I wouldn't recommend to OC on this at all as well.

All vrm are overkill lol, all of these cards where built for a 600 watt tdp but they swapped to 4nm Samsung.  It’s why the coolers are soo big and why all cards run a lot cooler. 

[WereCat]

4 minutes ago, Shzzit said:

All vrm are overkill lol, all of these cards where built for a 600 watt tdp but they swapped to 4nm Samsung.  It’s why the coolers are soo big and why all cards run a lot cooler. 

The VRMs on the cards I mentionet ARE NOT overkill. They are the bare minimum.

[ewitte]

The worst design can handle 700W.  Looks like the one I have is 900W.  Not that it matters the maximum I let mine get is about 385W but most often is under 300W.  

 

 

[rockyroller]

7 hours ago, neyoneit said:

 

Can someone, please, explain?

 

economics and what the market will bare

Or in other words, different manufactures will charge different prices based on how much it costs per unit and what parts are used.

Then you get the 'not all cards are equal', ie you've heard of binning? They do the same with GPU as well as memory.

I watched a recent video which indicated up to 3 different 4090 GPU are available by binning. They all meet the lowest standard of a 4090, but 1 will overclock better than the 1 that gets sold at the lowest price and the 3rd will end up in the 4090 Ti model.

I've also been hearing some shops are price gouging the early birds. 

[Rym]

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[Dedayog]

Literally it's the best graphics card in the world and they know people will buy it.

 

They could charge $3000 and it would sell.  Add $300 for an LED here?  Sure!  Add $400 cuz your fans are quieter than another brand? Sure!  Add $500 cuz you doubled the VRM?  Sure, Bob will buy it!

 

It's amazing what a person can justify to themselves.

 

It's difficult for the mainstream user because we cannot effectively vote with our wallets when so many justify this.  Nvidia and AIB won't enact reasonable pricing if they keep making money at these outrageous prices.

 

The hype is real, and people buy into it.

 

Though it's Nvidia best deal in a while.  It actually performs compared to the previous gens of slop.

[GamerDude]

On 10/17/2022 at 10:37 AM, neyoneit said:

Hi,

 

can someone enlighten me why is "GAINWARD GeForce RTX 4090 Phantom 24GB" 20% cheaper than "MSI GeForce RTX 4090 GAMING X TRIO 24G"?

In my country Czechia geinward phantom costs "48 490 czk" which is aprox "1 933 usd" and msi x trio is "59990 czk" which is aprox "2 391 usd".

I dont understand how can there be 460 usd difference on same card O_o...

is there big difference in performance of each card or just bigger margin from MSI?

 

Can someone, please, explain?

 

Thanks a lot.

Best regards,

neyoneit

This is sort of like the price differences I see between AMD exclusive AIBs like XFX, PowerColor and Sapphire vs the big three, that is, MSI, Gigabyte and Asus. The 'big three' seem to carry price premiums over the exclusive AIBs. Same goes with nVidia, MSI/Asus/Gigabyte carry price premiums over exclusive nVidia AIBs like Palit/GALAX/etc.

 

Honestly, I believe that while the big three have nice proprietary coolers on theirs, the price premium being asked for them is ridiculous, it's simply the big three banging on their brand name and recognition. I find the cooler on my Sapphire Nitro+ RX 6900 XT to be as good as those one, say, the Asus Strix and/or TUF models, why do I need to pay more for them? Just for the brand recognition and fancy full bore RGB?

 

I have an nVidia card, a Leadtek GTX 1080 Hurricane OC which I'd gotten years ago, it has a basic non-RGB shroud and triple fan cooler, working just as good as when I'd first gotten it (it was actually part of a mining rig before I'd gotten it), might I add that Leadtek is an exclusive nVidia AIB as well. I buy from exclusive AMD and nVidia AIBs because I don't believe in  paying more for the brand recognition of the big three.

 

Edit - Put it this way, I'll be getting an RX 7900 XTX come February when I get back, it'll definitely be a a top tier card from XFX, Sapphire or PowerColor. I'm not willing to pay for the crazy premium that the big three are gonna demand for their top tier cards.

[Shzzit]

Ya 200-400 over msrp for 20-35 mhz OC is so stupid.

[HumdrumPenguin]

In Canada they vary from $2100 to &2750 Canadian bucks plus tax. The performance will be very similar. Go with the FE if you can get it. The build is good and the card doesn’t look like it was designed by a 10 year old.

[Kinda Bottlenecked]

Biggest difference between the models is how well they can cool the vram modules.

 

Temperature & Noise Comparison
	Idle		Gaming
	GPU	Noise	GPU	Hotspot	Memory	Noise	RPM
ASUS RTX 4090 STRIX OC	40°C	Fan Stop	62°C	70°C	62°C	32.6 dBA	1330 RPM
ASUS RTX 4090 STRIX OC (Quiet BIOS)	42°C	Fan Stop	65°C	73°C	68°C	29.8 dBA	1118 RPM
Colorful RTX 4090 Vulcan OC	42°C	Fan Stop	61°C	70°C	64°C	36.2 dBA	1732 RPM
Colorful RTX 4090 Vulcan OC (Turbo BIOS)	42°C	Fan Stop	62°C	71°C	64°C	36.7 dBA	1759 RPM
Gigabyte RTX 4090 Gaming OC	44°C	Fan Stop	60°C	67°C	62°C	37.4 dBA	1716 RPM
Gigabyte RTX 4090 Gaming OC (Quiet BIOS)	41°C	Fan Stop	64°C	72°C	66°C	32.6 dBA	1416 RPM
NVIDIA RTX 4090 Founders Edition	37°C	Fan Stop	66°C	74°C	72°C	35.1 dBA	1449 RPM
MSI RTX 4090 Suprim X	46°C	Fan Stop	70°C	77°C	76°C	28.6 dBA	1198 RPM
MSI RTX 4090 Suprim X (Gaming BIOS)	46°C	Fan Stop	64°C	70°C	68°C	32.6 dBA	1466 RPM
MSI RTX 4090 Suprim Liquid X	37°C	Fan Stop*	58°C	67°C	68°C	32.2 dBA	1197 RPM
MSI RTX 4090 Suprim Liquid X (Quiet BIOS)	38°C	Fan Stop*	60°C	69°C	72°C	29.0 dBA	1105 RPM
Palit RTX 4090 GameRock OC	43°C	Fan Stop	66°C	73°C	68°C	35.0 dBA	1539 RPM
Palit RTX 4090 GameRock OC (Quiet BIOS)	43°C	Fan Stop	66°C	73°C	70°C	31.8 dBA	1399 RPM
Zotac RTX 4090 AMP Extreme	42°C	Fan Stop	66°C	75°C	76°C	37.1 dBA	1434 RPM
Zotac RTX 4090 AMP Extreme (Quiet BIOS)	45°C	Fan Stop	72°C	81°C	82°C	31.8 dBA	1152 RPM

 

You'll want one that has good all round performance. 

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/msi-geforce-rtx-4090-suprim-x/37.html