Upgrade from a 3900x to a 5800x3d

[Zedbird]

So I'm currently running a 3900x and I don't content create or anything like that which would utilize all the cores. I just game. All core over clock is 4.375 stable. At the time I thought the future of gaming was heading twoards more core usage, but fast forward 3 years later and 6‐8 cores are fine and honestly the 12400f with 4 cores is still a nice option on a budget. I've sunk probably over $2k in this PC and have no interest in upgrading to AM5, RTX 4xxx, and DDR5. At least not for a few years until the prices drop considerably. The best and last gaming CPU currently on AM4 is the 5800x3d. What do think? Is it worth it? I can get one right now for $376 brand new and sell my 3900x for $150-$200. According to Linus it seems to not only be competive against Alder Lake but also against the new Ryzen 7xxx series. Seems to me I'll get an almost new generational leap while still staying on AM4. Keep the 3900x or spend $200 on an upgrade?

My Rig

MSI x570 Carbon wifi

Ryzen 3900x

Gskills Trident Z 3600 32gb

Evga RTX 3080 FTW 3 10gb

[Jurrunio]

Dont see why you shouldnt for really high fps games, just that a lot of the times your limit is still the GPU.

[Dukesilver27-]

It's an upgrade to be sure, but you'd still be gpu bound anyways, the FPS gain might not be as much as you expected. Maybe find some 3900x vs 5800x3d with 3080 10gb benchmarks and decide whether the amount of fps gained is worth $200.

[Zedbird]

2 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Dont see why you shouldnt for really high fps games, just that a lot of the times your limit is still the GPU.

from what I understand to adopt the new Nvidia 4xxx series also requires a new psu. 

[Zedbird]

2 minutes ago, Dukesilver27- said:

It's an upgrade to be sure, but you'd still be gpu bound anyways, the FPS gain might not be as much as you expected. Maybe find some 3900x vs 5800x3d with 3080 10gb benchmarks and decide whether the amount of fps gained is worth $200.

I have definitely watched many videos and the upgrade is considerable although everyone is benchmarking with a 3090ti. This would be my last upgrade on this Rig for the next 3 years unless I found a 3090ti dirt cheap.

[Shimejii]

Im gonna be honest, unless you actually plan on playing competitive shooters at 1080p, high FPS games, or something similar, paying 375$ for a 5800x3D still doesnt make that much sense. Especially if you play at 1440p or 2160p, still need the GPU power to feed that cpu first, and if you dont plan on getting the powerhogs, you are still  more then fine with what you got. You dont need the latest and fastest to be happy, just stick with what you got  

[Zedbird]

2 minutes ago, Shimejii said:

Im gonna be honest, unless you actually plan on playing competitive shooters at 1080p, high FPS games, or something similar, paying 375$ for a 5800x3D still doesnt make that much sense. Especially if you play at 1440p or 2160p, still need the GPU power to feed that cpu first, and if you dont plan on getting the powerhogs, you are still  more then fine with what you got. You dont need the latest and fastest to be happy, just stick with what you got  

I have definitely considered that point. I play at 1440p btw. My concern though is possibly needing to upgrade in a couple of years to continue to play AAA titles at high-ultra settings and not being able to find a 5800x3d. I have a feeling AMD kind of embarrassed themselves a little considering the 5800x3d seems to go toe to toe with the 7xxx series in gaming and I doubt they will be producing anymore.

[Shimejii]

Just now, Zedbird said:

I have definitely considered that point. I play at 1440p btw. My concern though is possibly needing to upgrade in a couple of years to continue to play AAA titles at high-ultra settings and not being able to find a 5800x3d. I have a feeling AMD kind of embarrassed themselves a little considering the 5800x3d seems to go toe to toe with the 7xxx series in gaming and I doubt they will be producing anymore.

Ultra Settings and High FPS are not interchangable. You either play at Ultra, or you play with adjusted settings with good FPS, not both. Dont buy for future promises or gimicky shitting settings.

 

5800x3D will be made until 7800x3D+ is being sold, as they are still making money off it. They dont give a shit what you buy as long as its one of their products.

[Dukesilver27-]

1 minute ago, Zedbird said:

I have definitely considered that point. I play at 1440p btw. My concern though is possibly needing to upgrade in a couple of years to continue to play AAA titles at high-ultra settings and not being able to find a 5800x3d. I have a feeling AMD kind of embarrassed themselves a little considering the 5800x3d seems to go toe to toe with the 7xxx series in gaming and I doubt they will be producing anymore.

Or, hear me out, a 7800X3D?

[NF-A12x25]

30 minutes ago, Zedbird said:

12400f with 4 cores

Perhaps you’re thinking about the i3-12100f? The i5-12400f has 6 cores

[Zedbird]

4 minutes ago, Shimejii said:

Ultra Settings and High FPS are not interchangable. You either play at Ultra, or you play with adjusted settings with good FPS, not both. Dont buy for future promises or gimicky shitting settings.

 

5800x3D will be made until 7800x3D+ is being sold, as they are still making money off it. They dont give a shit what you buy as long as its one of their products.

I definitely agree with you on that point. My goal is 60+fps and I tweak the settings until I achieve that goal which is currently very easy with my current CPU, GPU combo. I can always wait to buy especially if you think they'll continue to make them. Maybe the price will drop even further although so will the price for a used 3900x. Do you agree though that 5800x3d will be the last best cpu for gaming on AM4?

[Zedbird]

3 minutes ago, NF-A12x25 said:

Perhaps you’re thinking about the i3-12100f? The i5-12400f has 6 cores

I am. My mistake

[Mister Woof]

5700x3d is performing really well in games vs 12th gen as well as zen4.

 

Since you have an x570, you aren't even losing out on pcie4.

 

I would def. get the 5800x3d I'd I were in your shoes.

[Zedbird]

9 minutes ago, Shimmy Gummi said:

5700x3d is performing really well in games vs 12th gen as well as zen4.

 

Since you have an x570, you aren't even losing out on pcie4.

 

I would def. get the 5800x3d I'd I were in your shoes.

I've decided to buy it no matter what. I think there will be nothing better on AM4 for gaming. The question now. Buy it right now or wait until the the price drops even more. If it does. I know my used 3900x sale price will drop as time goes on, but I don't know that a new 5800x3d will drop anymore in price before they discontinue it. Currently when I factor in all the costs plus selling my old CPU  It will cost me with tax $220. 

[xg32]

26 minutes ago, Zedbird said:

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5800x3d is gonna be the goto cpu for existing ddr4 ram, though the price has gone up like 40bucks

 

I think to truly beat it by a good margin, we'd need next gen and faster ddr5 ram, everything that's faster atm uses twice the power, it is a GREAT cpu.

[Zedbird]

4 minutes ago, Zedbird said:

I've decided to buy it no matter what. I think there will be nothing better on AM4 for gaming. The question now. Buy it right now or wait until the the price drops even more. The CPU might not drop in price at all. I know my used 3900x sale price will drop as time goes on, but I don't know that a new 5800x3d will drop anymore in price before they discontinue it. Currently when I factor in all the costs plus selling my old CPU  It will cost me with tax $220. 

 

[Zedbird]

7 minutes ago, xg32 said:

5800x3d is gonna be the goto cpu for existing ddr4 ram, though the price has gone up like 40bucks

 

I think to truly beat it by a good margin, we'd need next gen and faster ddr5 ram, everything that's faster atm uses twice the power, it is a GREAT cpu.

I think in 3 years DDR5 and all the compatible components should drop in price.

[RasmusDC]

6 hours ago, Zedbird said:

I think in 3 years DDR5 and all the compatible components should drop in price.

It seriously surprised me here in Europe, i was ready to go for a 7950x + mobo + ram for an exchange for my 8700k.

 

I reasoned with myself that we might end around a max of 1300-1400bucks for it, but the motherboards are the one completely taking me by surprise.. motherboard x670e from 4000dkk to 12000dkk (nearly 2k dollars for a motherboard) so i just put a system together with a CHEAP motherboard and the 7950x and 32gigs of ddr5, and to be honest. 1900 bucks before i get to the cooler. I do a lot of 3d work, and a lot of simulation, so  i would have loved to go from 6 cores to 16, and also nothing other than the 7950x on that platform actually makes sense because of the price

 

I can buy a 5950x + mobo for less than a 1000 bucks, and then i can chuck in 128gigs of ram for 1100 dollars, brand new. hopefully the 13900k with the 32cores (but most effieciency) will be a cheaper upgrade path, just motherboard (and it supports the old platform) and CPU

[cyndagon]

So I'm gambling on an open box 5800x3d on ebay for $325 shipped tax included. I'm currently running a 3600, so not quite as powerful as yours, but since I only built this computer 2.5 years ago outside of the PSU and GPU, I see no reason to upgrade to DDR5 at the moment. I may purchase an additional 16gb of memory down the road, but at the moment everything is sufficient for my needs. I'll see a moderate FPS bump in /some/ games I play, but I feel like this will keep me afloat until maybe even potentially DDR6 comes around, if the 8-10 year cycle holds true.

[Harry Voyager]

@RasmusDC From what I'm hearing, everything AM5 has about a 20% early adopter markup right now, but should be back down our of the stratosphere around January timeframe. 

 

Right now the 7950X is basically the king of everything, and the closest thing Intel has out is just going to be the mid/low range of the 13th gen series, so we are firmly in the milking phase of things. 

 

Plus we don't have the GPUs out to see what happens when too GPU performance nearly doubles. 

 

On the 5800X3D, if you're already in the AM4, and not up for a full upgrade, it's still the best option. There are games that the CPU is a limiting factor for, but they're niche. Basically simulators, so MSFS, DCS, Asseto Corsa, etc. Anything that was written to run on a PS4/Xbox One generation console will basically run on a toaster. Even the PS5/Xbox Series consoles are only packing 8 core Zen 2 CPUs, so nothing cross platform is going to stress a 3900.

 

But a 5800X3D should get you better potential frame rate than the 3900 for the next couple of years. 

[Dedayog]

16 hours ago, Zedbird said:

I have definitely considered that point. I play at 1440p btw. My concern though is possibly needing to upgrade in a couple of years to continue to play AAA titles at high-ultra settings and not being able to find a 5800x3d. I have a feeling AMD kind of embarrassed themselves a little considering the 5800x3d seems to go toe to toe with the 7xxx series in gaming and I doubt they will be producing anymore.

I would wager AMD and Intel would have new products out that you can purchase in a couple years

Also, Ebay has every CPU from every generation still so i am sure there will be 5800x3D CPUs then too.

 

Don't buy now to hedge against the future. 

[RasmusDC]

13 hours ago, Harry Voyager said:

@RasmusDC From what I'm hearing, everything AM5 has about a 20% early adopter markup right now, but should be back down our of the stratosphere around January timeframe. 

 

Right now the 7950X is basically the king of everything, and the closest thing Intel has out is just going to be the mid/low range of the 13th gen series, so we are firmly in the milking phase of things. 

 

Plus we don't have the GPUs out to see what happens when too GPU performance nearly doubles. 

 

On the 5800X3D, if you're already in the AM4, and not up for a full upgrade, it's still the best option. There are games that the CPU is a limiting factor for, but they're niche. Basically simulators, so MSFS, DCS, Asseto Corsa, etc. Anything that was written to run on a PS4/Xbox One generation console will basically run on a toaster. Even the PS5/Xbox Series consoles are only packing 8 core Zen 2 CPUs, so nothing cross platform is going to stress a 3900.

 

But a 5800X3D should get you better potential frame rate than the 3900 for the next couple of years. 

i must admit i have later on found motherboards for 1/2 the price in inventory, like the Steel Legend, i would love a MEG board from MSI with 10gig because i run 10 gig in my house, so getting out of running a Lan card in a PCI port, would be nice, but it is what it is...