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So if you want to go with a larger card and a new monitor with better storage there is this.  It’s over budget.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600G 3.9 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($209.00 @ Amazon Australia) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte B450M DS3H Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($119.00 @ PCCaseGear) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  ($97.60 @ Device Deal) 
Storage: Silicon Power A60 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($107.00 @ Umart) 
Video Card: MSI Radeon RX 6700 XT 12 GB MECH 2X OC Video Card  ($599.00 @ Centre Com) 
Case: Deepcool MATREXX 30 MicroATX Mini Tower Case  ($44.83 @ JW Computers) 
Power Supply: Corsair CV 750 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($89.00 @ Amazon Australia) 
Monitor: Samsung Odyssey G5 27.0" 2560x1440 144 Hz Curved Monitor  ($299.00 @ Centre Com) 
Total: $1564.43
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-08-14 10:49 AEST+1000

 

if you want to keep your current monitor there is this.  It’s under budget

 

GB PULSE Video Card[/url]  ($342.00 @ BPC Technology) 
Case: Deepcool MATREXX 30 MicroATX Mini Tower Case  ($44.83 @ JW Computers) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic B12 BC 650 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($71.95 @ Amazon Australia) 
Total: $991.38
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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Budget (including currency): ($1,400)

Country Australia 

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: 

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): 

 

Hi this is my first time looking at making a Gaming pc and wanted to get some help on what to pick here are the parts that i have looked at and i really want to keep the budget down thankyou. :) 

CPU: Intel Core i5 12400F Alder Lake 6 Core 12 Thread Up To 4.4Ghz LGA1700

CPU cooler: Hyper 212 Evo - CPU Cooler with 120mm PWM Fan

Motherboard: GIGABYTE Z690 AORUS Elite AX DDR4 LGA 1700

RAM: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 3600MHz

Storage: Crucial P2 1TB NVMe M.2 SSD

GPU: Gigabyte Radeon RX 6600 EAGLE 8GB Video Card

Case: DeepCool CC560 Mid Tower Case w/Tempered Glass Side Panel

PSU: MSI MAG A550BN Power Supply Unit, UK Plug - 550W, 80 Plus Bronze Certified, ATX PSU

 

 

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The z690 board is wasted on a non OC able 12400, you should get a cheaper b660 board instead 

System : AMD R9 5900X / X570 AORUS PRO/ 2x16GB Corsair Vengeance 3600CL18 (OCed to CL16)/ RTX3080 Gigabyte EAGLE GPU/ Phanteks P600S case / Customized Watercooling Eisbaer 280mm + Eiswolf2 360mm + VPP755 pump  and 150mm reservoir0.5TB Sabrent Rocket + 2TB WD SN850 NVme Gen4 + 4TB Toshiba X300 HDD drives/ Corsair RM850x PSU/ 34" 120Hz 3440x1440p Alienware AW3420DW monitor / Logitech G915TKL keyboard (wireless) / Logitech G PRO X Superlight mouse

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Looks good to me, but I do have two suggestions
As long as you do not overclock your hardware, I'd recommend going for a B660 chipset on your motherboard. The Z690 Boards are only needed if you want to overclock.

And - as long as it's in the budget of course - you might wanna invest a little more into a graphics cards like the Radeon RX 6600 XT. It will provide better performance and you can use it for a longer period of time without upgrading again.

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Just attempted to do a PCpartpicker.  The 5600g is a close competitor to the 12400 and is much cheaper. AMD is AMD of course.  The motherboard may need to be updated to the most recent bios before the cpu will work which  may require another AMD chip (most repair shops have them)
 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600G 3.9 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($209.00 @ Amazon Australia) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte B450M DS3H Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($119.00 @ PCCaseGear) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  ($97.60 @ Device Deal) 
Storage: Patriot P300 128 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($27.99 @ Amazon Australia) 
Storage: Seagate Constellation.2 1 TB 2.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($19.42 @ Amazon Australia) 
Video Card: MSI Radeon RX 6700 XT 12 GB MECH 2X OC Video Card  ($599.00 @ Centre Com) 
Case: Deepcool MATREXX 30 MicroATX Mini Tower Case  ($44.83 @ JW Computers) 
Power Supply: Corsair CV 750 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($89.00 @ Amazon Australia) 
Total: $1205.84
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-08-13 21:26 AEST+100

 

It’s 3 bumps on the video card for $200 less money. 
 

The cpu isn’t super fast, but it’s fast enough to bury the 6700xt in most things, (at which point cpu speed ceases to matter) which is what matters, and it’s soooo much cheaper. +iGP so win. There is a good argument for better storage since there is room in the budget.  That storage is pretty minimal.

Edited by Bombastinator

Not a pro, not even very good.  I’m just old and have time currently.  Assuming I know a lot about computers can be a mistake.

 

Life is like a bowl of chocolates: there are all these little crinkly paper cups everywhere.

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I highly suggest new to PC people to go with a non-F CPUs, in case you don't know, F means no integrated GPU in the CPU, therefore you won't have display if your GPU is not present. 

Some day if there's any issue with your GPU, that integrated GPU could be a life saver. 

Price and performance not that much differ, better safe than sorry, that's my motto. 

Not an expert, just bored at work. **may edit my posts a few times after posting**

Please quote me or mention me if you would like me to see your reply.

CPU: Intel i5-12400 | GPU: Asus TUF RX 6800 XT OC | Mobo: Asus Prime B660M-A D4 WIFI | RAM: Team Delta TUF Alliance 2x8GB DDR4 3200MHz CL16 | SSD: Team MP33 1TB | PSU: MSI MPG A850GF | Case: Phanteks Eclipse P360A |  Cooler: ID-Cooling SE-234 ARGB | OS: Windows 11 Pro | Pcpartpicker: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FpC7yK
Displays: Samsung Odyssey G5 S32AG50 32" 1440p 165hz | AOC 27G2E 27" 1080p 144hz

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Suggesting a 128 GB SSD in 2022 should be a crime.

 

AMD processors are solid and come with a stock cooler that's decent, so you'll save some money there. At this budget, the most benefits are gonna come from the video card. You can upgrade the processor and other components later. 

 

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/HwpgZw

 

PCPartPicker Part List: https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/HwpgZw

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600X 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($285.99 @ Amazon Australia)
Motherboard: MSI B550M PRO-VDH WIFI Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($149.00 @ Centre Com)
Memory: Kingston FURY Beast 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  ($79.00 @ PCByte)
Storage: Samsung 980 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($79.00 @ Mwave Australia)
Video Card: MSI Radeon RX 6700 XT 12 GB MECH 2X OC Video Card  ($599.00 @ Centre Com)
Case: Deepcool MATREXX 30 MicroATX Mini Tower Case  ($44.83 @ JW Computers)
Power Supply: EVGA GD (2019) 600 W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply  ($89.00 @ BPC Technology)
Total: $1325.82

 

Leaving some room because you may want to pay 20-30$ more on a better case, and the video card price is a bit too good to be true (other stores sell it for almost $100 more)  but it's possible that you're gonna see discounts.

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, Bombastinator said:

Just attempted to do a PCpartpicker.  The 5600g is a close competitor to the 12400 and is much cheaper. AMD is AMD of course.  The motherboard may need to be updated to the most recent bios before the cpu will work which  may require another AMD chip (most repair shops have them)
 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600G 3.9 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($209.00 @ Amazon Australia) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte B450M DS3H Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($119.00 @ PCCaseGear) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  ($97.60 @ Device Deal) 
Storage: Patriot P300 128 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($27.99 @ Amazon Australia) 
Storage: Seagate Constellation.2 1 TB 2.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($19.42 @ Amazon Australia) 
Video Card: MSI Radeon RX 6700 XT 12 GB MECH 2X OC Video Card  ($599.00 @ Centre Com) 
Case: Deepcool MATREXX 30 MicroATX Mini Tower Case  ($44.83 @ JW Computers) 
Power Supply: Corsair CV 750 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($89.00 @ Amazon Australia) 
Total: $1205.84
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-08-13 21:26 AEST+100

 

It’s 3 bumps on the video card for $200 less money. 
 

The cpu isn’t super fast, but it’s fast enough to bury the 6700xt in most things, (at which point cpu speed ceases to matter) which is what matters, and it’s soooo much cheaper. +iGP so win. There is a good argument for better storage since there is room in the budget.  That storage is pretty minimal.

No offence but that build is terrible.

 

The 5600G is not as strong as a 12400F. Also no idea why you would consider that cpu when the R5 5600 is only $20 more.

 

Awful motherboard.

 

A 128GB SSD ?? So he is going to run games off the HDD then ? 

 

That 1TB HDD doesn't exist when you click on it.

 

Subpar psu.

 

 

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8 hours ago, mariushm said:

Suggesting a 128 GB SSD in 2022 should be a crime.

 

AMD processors are solid and come with a stock cooler that's decent, so you'll save some money there. At this budget, the most benefits are gonna come from the video card. You can upgrade the processor and other components later. 

 

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/HwpgZw

 

PCPartPicker Part List: https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/HwpgZw

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600X 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($285.99 @ Amazon Australia)
Motherboard: MSI B550M PRO-VDH WIFI Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($149.00 @ Centre Com)
Memory: Kingston FURY Beast 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  ($79.00 @ PCByte)
Storage: Samsung 980 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($79.00 @ Mwave Australia)
Video Card: MSI Radeon RX 6700 XT 12 GB MECH 2X OC Video Card  ($599.00 @ Centre Com)
Case: Deepcool MATREXX 30 MicroATX Mini Tower Case  ($44.83 @ JW Computers)
Power Supply: EVGA GD (2019) 600 W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply  ($89.00 @ BPC Technology)
Total: $1325.82

 

Leaving some room because you may want to pay 20-30$ more on a better case, and the video card price is a bit too good to be true (other stores sell it for almost $100 more)  but it's possible that you're gonna see discounts.

 

 

 

The idea is put only the OS on the SSD and run everything else off the HDD using the remaining 40 or 50gig (enough for one game) of the thing as cache.  The SSD never wears out, and you get maybe 70-80% of the speed of an SSD for very little money.  It’s not a great solution but it is a cheap one, and he did say budget.  The main issue with this thing is I don’t know what his monitor is and if it’s 1080p@60 or something the extra power of the video card is probably wasted.  The key word is “budget”.  A “how low can you go” type of thing.  Keeping the video card as a 6600, the cost was about $800 or something. It’s not a totally unfair statement, but it takes care of things.  There is an argument for a lot more better storage, but it also costs more money.  If the game is too big for the cache it loses fast though.  The problem with the 5600x is it’s both slower and more expensive than a 12400f.  Plus there’s the motherboard cost issue. The 5600g is slower yet, but it’s a lot cheaper, whereas the 5600x isn’t.  I personally think both the 5600x and the 12400f are overpriced.  The non-existence of the HDD is an issue.  Why was it on pcpartpicker with a price then?  Perhaps it’s already gone.

Edited by Bombastinator

Not a pro, not even very good.  I’m just old and have time currently.  Assuming I know a lot about computers can be a mistake.

 

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hi I have read through all your posts thankyou for your help and i have benq old gaming monitor with an Samsung monitor that I don't use.  the benq is 720p or 1080p with 60hz

I believe I could go with a fifty fifty on the storage with a 500GB SSD and 500BG of sata SSD

and I think you are all correct with me changing to a full ryzen build with the CPU and GPU making it cheaper but still the same results and also maybe upgrading my graphics 

 

i will tell you my final build later today sorry for the delay

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22 minutes ago, mollymoet123 said:

hi I have read through all your posts thankyou for your help and i have benq old gaming monitor with an Samsung monitor that I don't use.  the benq is 720p or 1080p with 60hz

I believe I could go with a fifty fifty on the storage with a 500GB SSD and 500BG of sata SSD

and I think you are all correct with me changing to a full ryzen build with the CPU and GPU making it cheaper but still the same results and also maybe upgrading my graphics 

 

i will tell you my final build later today sorry for the delay

If you’ve got a 1080p@60 monitor it’s impossible to see anything bigger or faster.  So there is no real point in getting more unless you change the monitor too.  It is currently your weak point. You could go with a 5600g system (which has less cache than the 5600x which causes problems, but is still a lot faster than consoles so fast enough) and drop the video card to something less than the 6700xt but still bigger than a 6600,  and have enough money left in budget for a bigger or faster monitor.  I just think the bang/buck ratio is better for the 5600g than either the 5600x or the 12400f. The 5600g is slower than the 5600x but not drastically so, and most importantly not slow enough to cause a problem.  Even a 3600x doesn’t do that.  2700xs are only starting to feel heat.   But it’s a lot cheaper.  there is actually budget for a low end 16 core machine (say a 12700f or something) but I don’t think you could do that AND a new bigger monitor AND enough video card to do it Justice

Not a pro, not even very good.  I’m just old and have time currently.  Assuming I know a lot about computers can be a mistake.

 

Life is like a bowl of chocolates: there are all these little crinkly paper cups everywhere.

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The 5600g is slower than the 5600x at gaming for two reasons but one of them doesn’t matter at this price point.  One is that it has less cache, which is not ignorable, but the other is that The 5600x will do pcie4 while the 5600g won’t. If you’re buying a b450 board it doesn’t matter because the board won’t do it either.  If you want to get the advantage of pcie4 you need b550 not b450 so with pcie3, it’s cheaper SSDs (and if you put a pcie3 nvme in the b550 anyway it still just doesn’t matter.  for SATA it doesn’t matter at all to begin with)  so half the advantage of the 5600x is probably gone.  B550 is gettable with thunderbolt (which imho makes it a potentially much better deal than an x570) but thunderbolt isn’t in the cards anyway.  Even if this is ignored though it’s just not that much slower. And it’s near 2/3rds the price.  If you must go with a 5600 type go for a 5600 over a 5600x.  The included cooler is not worth $80. I really don’t see the point of the 5600x at this time (it used to be $100 cheaper for one thing) in order for it to get the speed bonuses of the chip, you need to have a fast pcie4 SSD that can actually use its pcie4 ness in anger, which they can’t all do, and are so high cost they more or less negate the usefulness of a 5600x over a 5800x anyway.  Part of the problem is the way things are tested.  Removing bottlenecks is useful to show full possible speed, but if one can’t remove the bottleneck it doesn’t matter. And the budget isn’t there to remove it.

Edited by Bombastinator

Not a pro, not even very good.  I’m just old and have time currently.  Assuming I know a lot about computers can be a mistake.

 

Life is like a bowl of chocolates: there are all these little crinkly paper cups everywhere.

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So if you want to go with a larger card and a new monitor with better storage there is this.  It’s over budget.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600G 3.9 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($209.00 @ Amazon Australia) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte B450M DS3H Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($119.00 @ PCCaseGear) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  ($97.60 @ Device Deal) 
Storage: Silicon Power A60 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($107.00 @ Umart) 
Video Card: MSI Radeon RX 6700 XT 12 GB MECH 2X OC Video Card  ($599.00 @ Centre Com) 
Case: Deepcool MATREXX 30 MicroATX Mini Tower Case  ($44.83 @ JW Computers) 
Power Supply: Corsair CV 750 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($89.00 @ Amazon Australia) 
Monitor: Samsung Odyssey G5 27.0" 2560x1440 144 Hz Curved Monitor  ($299.00 @ Centre Com) 
Total: $1564.43
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-08-14 10:49 AEST+1000

 

if you want to keep your current monitor there is this.  It’s under budget

 

GB PULSE Video Card[/url]  ($342.00 @ BPC Technology) 
Case: Deepcool MATREXX 30 MicroATX Mini Tower Case  ($44.83 @ JW Computers) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic B12 BC 650 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($71.95 @ Amazon Australia) 
Total: $991.38
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-08-14 10:54 AEST+1000

Not a pro, not even very good.  I’m just old and have time currently.  Assuming I know a lot about computers can be a mistake.

 

Life is like a bowl of chocolates: there are all these little crinkly paper cups everywhere.

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Thankyou so much for the help bombastinator i agree with your decision on your latest parts but i will have to say no to the monitor as it is a bit over priced but i will look for another solution  

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1 hour ago, mollymoet123 said:

Thankyou so much for the help bombastinator i agree with your decision on your latest parts but i will have to say no to the monitor as it is a bit over priced but i will look for another solution  

Glad I could help.  There is also used which could alter prices downward significantly.  You are close to Mongolia where all the crypto people were setting up shop because of cheap power, so there may be some very good prices in your area.  The weakest link in that one is the PSU.  dude was not wrong. It is not a high grade PSU. I recall seeing a video on used PSU purchases, which may be worth a watch.  There are many on used mining GPUs  it is unlikely that a used PSU would be a mining PSU simply because miners preferred very large ones generally (dozens of GPUs at a time) 

Not a pro, not even very good.  I’m just old and have time currently.  Assuming I know a lot about computers can be a mistake.

 

Life is like a bowl of chocolates: there are all these little crinkly paper cups everywhere.

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15 hours ago, mollymoet123 said:

Thankyou so much for the help bombastinator i agree with your decision on your latest parts but i will have to say no to the monitor as it is a bit over priced but i will look for another solution  

It isn't a good build for the reasons I mentioned earlier. 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, lee32uk said:

It isn't a good build for the reasons I mentioned earlier. 

 

 

Its a cheapass build for sure.  All the other b450   Boards were far more expensive that their original selling price though. The tomahawk max b450 is much better but it’s near $200. “- b450 motherboard” and “a 650w power supply” work.  The cv isn’t good, but it also isn’t terrible.  Improving the build quality of those two parts almost doubles their cost.  The VRM on that board is not great, but it’s a 65w cpu.  He doesn’t need great. There are a series boards that can handle that chip. That board shouldn’t have a 5900 on it for sure. If the 5600 was even the same price it would be the preferred chip, and yes, the 5600g is weaker than the 5600.  It’s not power he needs or can even take advantage of with a b450 board or with no pcie4 ssd.  They are all weak parts, but they’re all weak together.  Increasing the capacity of one of the systems makes it fall apart.  This is not a grouping that would be terribly upgradable.  Going to a good cpu will want a good motherboard for example.  I took this as a “how low can you go” challenge.  There aren’t a lot of parts in this thing that would be useful in an upgrade situation.  The video card maybe.  It’s sort of a house of cards build.  Not something to keep for 10 years and build off of.  The post sounded like he just wants to experience building a computer for the first time and have something that will play video games for a while.  This does that.  You are correct in that it doesn’t do enthusiast things though.  

Not a pro, not even very good.  I’m just old and have time currently.  Assuming I know a lot about computers can be a mistake.

 

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6 hours ago, mollymoet123 said:

Is this the new build?

Not a pro, not even very good.  I’m just old and have time currently.  Assuming I know a lot about computers can be a mistake.

 

Life is like a bowl of chocolates: there are all these little crinkly paper cups everywhere.

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There’s a version of the tomahawk that is Matx instead of atx. Called a mortar or a bazooka or something.  Some military term anyway.   It should be cheaper.  That matx case is an incredible fricken deal. It used to be $usa80.  It won’t fit an atx board though.  The thing atx has over matx is more pcie slots. Atx has 6, matx has 3. You only effectively use one though, (or two if you go with a pcie slot wifi card) so full atx is wasted.  There are a bunch of decent b450 and b550 boards.  If you’re planning on putting a heftier chip in later they make sense because they have more better VRM (the thing that powers the cpu) but if you’re not it’s wasted.  If you want to build a machine that can take a 5950 or something (the hottest chip I know of that is am4) that’s not hard to do.  You just build a hardier machine and then under cpu it.  It costs though.  If you never actually do the upgrade You wind up paying for stuff you don’t use.  The thing about computer parts is stuff is often obsolete in as little as a few years.  B550 is going to be obsolete in November when the AMD 7000 stuff comes out.  That’s not am4, it’s am5.  The only things that could even be used by an m5 system are the case, the hard drive, and the video card.  Maybe the PSU too but it’s unknown.  Depends on the wattage requirements of the chip, and the connectors needed.  Pcie and nvme are both real real likely, but cpu and mainboard power connectors have  changed multiple times over the years.  A PSU bought today might not fit.  With the 56000g system you can pull the video card and the hard drive (like half the cost of the system) replace the hard drive with something cheap, and the thing still works and can be sold.  This is an enthusiast site, so there are people that demand high end stuff.  Are those parts not good enough for a high end machine with a hot processor?  Yes.  So the only thing lost is a $40 case. Everything else would go the way of the dodo anyway.  The difference is it doesn’t wind up in a landfill because it still works and is useful.  Just not for gaming.  I see the builds suggested as paying more for less.  There are some bits that could use an upgrade.  You could get a higher end PSU with a better warranty.  For around $130.  You could get a Samsung branded SSD with a longer lifespan for ~$200 (I forget if it’s the 970 or the 980) if you want an actual pcie4 ssd that runs faster than pcie3 can go (and you’re spending  a bunch of money to make that possible so why wouldn’t you) there are Sabient rockets. I have no idea what they cost atm.  Over $200 though. so that’s over $140 already.  if you really want to spend $1400 instead of $900 it can be arranged.  It just isn’t stuff you will see much functional advantage from.  with a 5600 and an aftermarket cooler (a quieter and just as useful system with a replacable fan than a 5600x for a bunch less money) and a b550 motherboard you can do pcie4.  If you want to go to the full $1400 there are b550 motherboards with thunderbolt built in. They were $250-$300 back when that b450 tomahawk max was $120 so I have no idea what they cost now.  They’re thunderbolt3 rather than thunderbolt4, but the difference between thunderbolt3 and thunderbolt4 has nothing to do with the protocol.  That didn’t change at all.  It’s just board spec requirements and was caused by intel leaving the USB consortium because they thought that USB4 (which was really just thunderbolt3 with reduced requirements) would never work.  So they bumped the board wrequirements for thunderbot 3 and callled it thunderbolt4.  It has nothing to do with function.  They both use all the same devices.  Internet connectivity is another thing to think about.  If you’re gonna use ethernet well and good.  You don’t need anything.  If it’s wifi though you can get a board with an nvme e key, put in another pcie card, or use a usb dongle. Should be about $35 whichever way you go.

Edited by Bombastinator

Not a pro, not even very good.  I’m just old and have time currently.  Assuming I know a lot about computers can be a mistake.

 

Life is like a bowl of chocolates: there are all these little crinkly paper cups everywhere.

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2 hours ago, mollymoet123 said:

yes

with another one

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/y9kfVw

can't decide which one i want 

 

With an R5 5600. 

 

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600 3.5 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($279.00 @ Amazon Australia) 
Motherboard: MSI MAG B550M BAZOOKA Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($149.00 @ MSY Technology) 
Memory: Kingston FURY Beast 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  ($79.00 @ PCByte) 
Storage: TEAMGROUP MP33 PRO 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($109.00 @ PCCaseGear) 
Video Card: MSI Radeon RX 6600 XT 8 GB MECH 2X OC Video Card  ($499.00 @ MSY Technology) 
Case: Deepcool MATREXX 55 MESH ADD-RGB 4F ATX Mid Tower Case  ($99.00 @ JW Computers) 
Power Supply: MSI MPG A-GF 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($99.00 @ BPC Technology) 
Total: $1313.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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CPU: Intel Core i5-12400F 2.5 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($249.00 @ BPC Technology) 
Motherboard: MSI MAG B660M BAZOOKA DDR4 Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($169.00 @ Centre Com) 
Memory: Kingston FURY Beast 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  ($79.00 @ PCByte) 
Storage: TEAMGROUP MP33 PRO 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($109.00 @ PCCaseGear) 
Video Card: MSI Radeon RX 6600 XT 8 GB MECH 2X OC Video Card  ($499.00 @ MSY Technology) 
Case: Deepcool MATREXX 55 MESH ADD-RGB 4F ATX Mid Tower Case  ($99.00 @ JW Computers) 
Power Supply: MSI MPG A-GF 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($99.00 @ BPC Technology) 
Total: $1303.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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2 hours ago, lee32uk said:

With an R5 5600. 

 

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600 3.5 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($279.00 @ Amazon Australia) 
Motherboard: MSI MAG B550M BAZOOKA Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($149.00 @ MSY Technology) 
Memory: Kingston FURY Beast 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  ($79.00 @ PCByte) 
Storage: TEAMGROUP MP33 PRO 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($109.00 @ PCCaseGear) 
Video Card: MSI Radeon RX 6600 XT 8 GB MECH 2X OC Video Card  ($499.00 @ MSY Technology) 
Case: Deepcool MATREXX 55 MESH ADD-RGB 4F ATX Mid Tower Case  ($99.00 @ JW Computers) 
Power Supply: MSI MPG A-GF 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($99.00 @ BPC Technology) 
Total: $1313.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-08-15 23:56 AEST+1000

Matrix mesh is a good looking case.  It’s larger than you need with a matx board, but it will work ok.  It’s a better case than the other one which is much smaller.  The single thing I liked about that case was it’s incredibly low price.  May be gone now of course.  I would have snapped it up in a hot second.  Bright side I guess is if you ever want to mess with custom water cooling there is room.  I know nothing about that PSU.  MSI doesn’t actually make PSUs so it’s going to be some rebrand from say superflower or some other such company.  Fully modular and 80+ gold do not speak in any way to reliability.  It may be a decent PSU.  It may not.  I don’t know.  You’ve gone to great lengths to get a pcie4 capable machine.  There could be a reason to do such with that AMD synergy thing.  I don’t know.  At that point though getting a pcie4 drive strikes me as sort of an obligation.  The ssd you picked is pcie3.  The AMD option will need an aftermarket cooler. It’s not a hefty chip though.  Any decent 3 pipe tower should be enough.  You could go lower if you wanted to.  Afaik neither of these builds will be significantly faster or longer life than that 5600g system I mentioned earlier. Just a lot more expensive.  And of course less resellable and not really much more upgradable.  Though with that system you could throw a hotter am4 cpu in it if you wanted.  There’s actually an argument for a 5 or six pipe air cooler then.  The cooler would be ridiculously quiet since at that point it’s basically a mid grade machine that is under CPUed. 

Edited by Bombastinator

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5 hours ago, Bombastinator said:

Matrix mesh is a good looking case.  It’s larger than you need with a matx board, but it will work ok.  It’s a better case than the other one which is much smaller.  The single thing I liked about that case was it’s incredibly low price.  May be gone now of course.  I would have snapped it up in a hot second.  Bright side I guess is if you ever want to mess with custom water cooling there is room.  I know nothing about that PSU.  MSI doesn’t actually make PSUs so it’s going to be some rebrand from say superflower or some other such company.  Fully modular and 80+ gold do not speak in any way to reliability.  It may be a decent PSU.  It may not.  I don’t know.  You’ve gone to great lengths to get a pcie4 capable machine.  There could be a reason to do such with that AMD synergy thing.  I don’t know.  At that point though getting a pcie4 drive strikes me as sort of an obligation.  The ssd you picked is pcie3.  The AMD option will need an aftermarket cooler. It’s not a hefty chip though.  Any decent 3 pipe tower should be enough.  You could go lower if you wanted to.  Afaik neither of these builds will be significantly faster or longer life than that 5600g system I mentioned earlier. Just a lot more expensive.  And of course less resellable and not really much more upgradable.  Though with that system you could throw a hotter am4 cpu in it if you wanted.  There’s actually an argument for a 5 or six pipe air cooler then.  The cooler would be ridiculously quiet since at that point it’s basically a mid grade machine that is under CPUed. 

The MSI psu is Tier A. It is made by CWT if I remember correctly.

 

The 5600 should be fine with the stock cooler if he is just gaming. 

 

No real reason to get a Gen 4 SSD for gaming unless the price is similar. Direct storage doesn't seem to be much of a thing yet.

 

The 5600 and 12400 will both be faster than the 5600G, especially if he gets a stronger gpu in the future. Even with a 6600XT there will be a performance difference.

 

The review below shows that a 5600X is 14% faster on average at 1080p with an RTX 3090. Obviously some games are more and others less.

 

https://www.techspot.com/review/2302-amd-ryzen-5600g/

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1 hour ago, lee32uk said:

The MSI psu is Tier A. It is made by CWT if I remember correctly.

 

The 5600 should be fine with the stock cooler if he is just gaming. 

 

No real reason to get a Gen 4 SSD for gaming unless the price is similar. Direct storage doesn't seem to be much of a thing yet.

 

The 5600 and 12400 will both be faster than the 5600G, especially if he gets a stronger gpu in the future. Even with a 6600XT there will be a performance difference.

 

The review below shows that a 5600X is 14% faster on average at 1080p with an RTX 3090. Obviously some games are more and others less.

 

https://www.techspot.com/review/2302-amd-ryzen-5600g/

Re: cooler

The 5600 doesn’t come with a cooler iirc.  If it does you would be correct though.
re: 5600g

There will, but it’s not a big one if one is limited exclusively to pcie3. The thing that made the 5600g worthy of consideration was its low price.   It’s cheaper than even a straight 5600.  It is slower.  The reasons for this are gone into in a previous post.  The machine I talked about wasn’t very upgradable as the parts included basically leaned on each other.  The way to upgrade that machine was to pull the hard drive and video card for re use and sell it, to build a whole new machine.  The thing is as am4 is EOL anyway there just isn’t a lot of upgrading that could even be done and a whole new machine would be needed anyway. So no loss.

Not a pro, not even very good.  I’m just old and have time currently.  Assuming I know a lot about computers can be a mistake.

 

Life is like a bowl of chocolates: there are all these little crinkly paper cups everywhere.

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