AMD Zen 4 Ryzen 7000 Series CPUs May Arrive September 15th According to Leak

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Summary

A purported photo from an AMD presentation in China (for local retailers and distributors) names the date, claiming that AMD Zen 4 Ryzen 7000 series CPUs may officially go on sale on September 15th.

 

 

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According to official AMD statements, Zen 4 Ryzen 7000 Series components (CPUs and AM5 Motherboards) would launch in Fall of 2022. In the US, fall starts with the equinox on September 22, but we have just seen a leaked slide suggesting Ryzen 7000 CPUs will be released on September 15.

 

PC leaks stalwart @wxnod tweeted an intriguing slide a few hours ago without comment. You can see the slide reproduced directly above, at the original resolution.

 

The juiciest chunk of info we can see is the data across the top of the TV display, which says September 15 is the "time to sell." This indicates the date is not a mere launch or 'paper launch' date but a release date.

 

The rest of the slide isn't very illuminating; however, we can say that due to the use of Simplified Chinese characters, this purported event took place in China rather than Taiwan. The Socket AM5 slide on the TV was also shown at Computex (but without the date overlaid).

 

My thoughts

This is nice to see, as when AMD officially claimed Fall of 2022, that left the release date open to interpretation. As the last day of Fall is on December 21, 2022. So we could have been waiting quite some time for Zen 4 and AM5. This now means that we have a good idea that they plan on launching Zen 4 and AM5 in the beginning of Fall, which starts on September 22nd, if this September 15th date is correct (as opposed to having to wait all the way until the end of Fall). Meaning, hopefully only three more months to go and we will be able to see official benchmarks for Zen 4! 

 

Sources

https://www.hardwaretimes.com/amd-ryzen-7000-cpus-to-hit-the-retail-market-on-the-15th-of-september-rumor/

https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7000-desktop-cpus-am5-motherboards-to-launch-on-15th-september/

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-7000-could-go-on-sale-on-september-15th

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-7000-leak-release

[leadeater]

Next week headline "AMD delays Ryzen 7000 launch until after September", rumors and speculation lol. Probably better to just wait until AMD actually bothers to say when.

[Levent]

1 minute ago, leadeater said:

Next week headline "AMD delays Ryzen 7000 launch until after September", rumors and speculation lol. Probably better to just wait until AMD actually bothers to say when.

You know you are in for a treat when sources include wccftech.

[porina]

I dislike what feels like a more recent move to seasonal descriptors than quarters, since the seasonal ones have multiple interpretations. Still, that is a good time for a product launch since it keeps it well away from thanksgiving and christmas.

[Doobeedoo]

Personally I plan to wait for 3D cache SKU and I hope it will come sooner.

[ZetZet]

8 hours ago, Doobeedoo said:

Personally I plan to wait for 3D cache SKU and I hope it will come sooner.

It will probably be overpriced like the current one...

[Doobeedoo]

32 minutes ago, ZetZet said:

It will probably be overpriced like the current one...

It's at it's MSRP though, kinda priced like expected for a higher 8 core SKU no.

[ZetZet]

6 hours ago, Doobeedoo said:

It's at it's MSRP though, kinda priced like expected for a higher 8 core SKU no.

It costs the same as 5950x where I live. Makes way more sense to buy 5900x or 12700K if you're 100% only gaming.

[Doobeedoo]

4 hours ago, ZetZet said:

It costs the same as 5950x where I live. Makes way more sense to buy 5900x or 12700K if you're 100% only gaming.

Lol

That's something way off where you at. Price gouging or something. Because it costs like Ryzen 8 core always did where I am. All those are for sure more.

[HenrySalayne]

6 minutes ago, Doobeedoo said:

Lol

That's something way off where you at. Price gouging or something. Because it costs like Ryzen 8 core always did where I am. All those are for sure more.

The 5950x dropped massively in price and is just around 500€ here in Germany. 5800x3D is around 500€ as well.

 

 

On 6/18/2022 at 12:22 AM, leadeater said:

Next week headline "AMD delays Ryzen 7000 launch until after September", rumors and speculation lol. Probably better to just wait until AMD actually bothers to say when.

If they pull an Intel, the new CPUs might already be sold to consumers before they even announce the launch of the product.
With the recent "leaks" about Meteor Lake, AMD is probably quite keen to ship AM5 to costumers as early as possible.

[ZetZet]

17 minutes ago, Doobeedoo said:

Lol

That's something way off where you at. Price gouging or something. Because it costs like Ryzen 8 core always did where I am. All those are for sure more.

5800X is 310 USD on amazon 5800X3D is 449. 5900X is 397. Where I live 5800X3D is a little more expensive. Or are you saying 5800X3D matches MSRP of 5800X when it was released? That's quite irrelevant, Adler Lake slashed AMD prices.

[Doobeedoo]

2 minutes ago, HenrySalayne said:

The 5950x dropped massively in price and is just around 500€ here in Germany. 5800x3D is around 500€ as well.

It did drop yeah, though for me it' like 600/700 and the 5800X3D is less, but it's still a better buy for gaming. If you don't need 12/16 cores for other tasks as well.

[Doobeedoo]

8 minutes ago, ZetZet said:

5800X is 310 USD on amazon 5800X3D is 449. 5900X is 397. Where I live 5800X3D is a little more expensive. Or are you saying 5800X3D matches MSRP of 5800X when it was released? That's quite irrelevant, Adler Lake slashed AMD prices.

Prices do depend from place to place, I do check at retail and there are some price cuts for some and 5800X3D is a more premium 8 core. If you really don't need extra cores it's a better choice. Also no it doesn't it's still cheaper than it. Again check reviews too the 3D cache SKU really helps games vs vanilla model. 

[leadeater]

4 hours ago, ZetZet said:

It costs the same as 5950x where I live. Makes way more sense to buy 5900x or 12700K if you're 100% only gaming.

Nope if it's only gaming then it's the 5800X3D or Intel Alder Lake, Alder Lake making the most sense. 5900X is measurably worse at gaming than the 5800X3D and that won't change over time. So if you don't want to pay the extra for the 3D V-Cache and for some reason don't want Alder Lake then 5800X makes more sense than the 5900X does, extra cost for no performance gain for the stated use case.

 

Buying Ryzen 5000 now as a whole new system is a little dumb though, CPU upgrade from older generation yea sure. AM4 is not something to buy in to now, LGA1700 and related chipsets have another CPU generation coming for it and a 12700K will do everything anyway, hell even a 12400 will.

[ZetZet]

7 minutes ago, leadeater said:

Nope if it's only gaming then it's the 5800X3D or Intel Alder Lake, Alder Lake making the most sense. 5900X is measurably worse at gaming than the 5800X3D and that won't change over time. So if you don't want to pay the extra for the 3D V-Cache and for some reason don't want Alder Lake then 5800X makes more sense than the 5900X does, extra cost for no performance gain for the stated use case.

 

Buying Ryzen 5000 now as a whole new system is a little dumb though, CPU upgrade from older generation yea sure. AM4 is not something to buy in to now, LGA1700 and related chipsets have another CPU generation coming for it and a 12700K will do everything anyway, hell even a 12400 will.

That's what I said. 12700K makes more sense in terms of value in gaming if you still need a lot of cores. 5900X is just comparable in terms of productivity. 5800X3D is bad value, it's just a cash grab. 

[leadeater]

2 minutes ago, ZetZet said:

5900X is just comparable in terms of productivity

Well you said gaming so productivity doesn't matter, 5900X makes no sense for gaming.

[ZetZet]

15 minutes ago, leadeater said:

Well you said gaming so productivity doesn't matter, 5900X makes no sense for gaming.

I said 5900X OR 12700K if you're only gaming. OR being the key word. 

[SimplyChunk]

48 minutes ago, ZetZet said:

it's just a cash grab

you mean cache grab right?

[StDragon]

18 hours ago, leadeater said:

Buying Ryzen 5000 now as a whole new system is a little dumb though, CPU upgrade from older generation yea sure. AM4 is not something to buy in to now, LGA1700 and related chipsets have another CPU generation coming for it and a 12700K will do everything anyway, hell even a 12400 will.

1st gen of any new platform tends to be a solution looking for a problem. With DDR5 being expensive, and an expected price drop in AM4 / DDR4, one could go all-in on a B550 / X570 platform now, and skip AM5 for a generation or two.

The only thing compelling about this new generation is PCIe 5.0, and PCIe 4.0 is more than enough for current GPUs and Direct Storage recommendations (PCIe 3.0 a requirement).

So AM5 now? Sure, if you've got a aging system go for it. Just don't count AM4 out for at least another 18 months; it's breathing.

[leadeater]

38 minutes ago, StDragon said:

1st gen of any new platform tends to be a solution looking for a problem. With DDR5 being expensive, and an expected price drop in AM4 / DDR4, one could go all-in on a B550 / X570 platform now, and skip AM5 for a generation or two.

Or you could just not buy top end expensive everything of LGA1700 then later upgrade those too, which you actually could do unlike AM4. You don't have to get a 12900K/12700K and the best DDR5 possible.

 

AM4 is literally a dead end, I've brought in to dead ends before, don't do it.

[leadeater]

19 hours ago, ZetZet said:

I said 5900X OR 12700K if you're only gaming. OR being the key word. 

Yes I know what you said, my response is if it's only gaming then 5900X makes no sense over 5800X. You're saying 5800X3D is too expensive, cash grab yada yada then literally offering up a nonsensical option that has the same counter argument you just used.

 

5800X or 12700K if you're only gaming not 5900X or 12700K. Option A was bad, that's the point.

 

5800X3D is the best AMD option for gaming only, so if you only care about gaming performance that is the only option to consider. If you care about value then that's different. It's the same reason the 12900K makes no sense over the 12700K as well, but again if you only care about gaming performance and not value there are two best options on the market from the vendors, at least there are two options and not one.

 

5900X is not a good value gaming CPU, then also the 5800X is not much faster than the 5600X so could even raise that same argument against that. How much performance you're willing to give up is a personal choice and budget constraint however if were going to generalize leveraging certain factors then we need to be consistent with those generalizations.

[HenrySalayne]

11 minutes ago, leadeater said:

AM4 is literally a dead end, I've brought in to dead ends before, don't do it.

It depends. For entry level machines AM4 is currently the most affordable platform with a good upgrade path (5600G -> 5950x). And upgrading an existing AM4 system (for example from Zen 2 to Zen 3) could in most cases be a worthy improvement. AFAWK, AM5 will not be revolutionary but more of an incremental upgrade.

Nevertheless, if it comes to new enthusiast grade machines with a expected lifespan of 3 or more years, I would not buy or recommend AM4. Waiting for the new GPU and CPU platforms would be the most sensible thing to do.

I mean, AMD promised similar long-term support for AM5 like they had for AM4. So AM5 might have a upgrade path down the line in two years. Intel's 6xx chipsets will get Raptor Lake, but that's probably it.

But let's wait and see. Q3 and Q4 2022 will be very interesting.

 

[leadeater]

3 hours ago, HenrySalayne said:

And upgrading an existing AM4 system (for example from Zen 2 to Zen 3) could in most cases be a worthy improvement.

Yes which is why I said I was talking about buying a whole new system, nothing else.

 

3 hours ago, HenrySalayne said:

It depends. For entry level machines AM4 is currently the most affordable platform with a good upgrade path (5600G -> 5950x).

Buy Alder Lake, something cheap. Upgrade later, 12th or 13th Gen. Problem for AM4 is there is no "13th Gen", this is it. 5950X will never be a sensible option for gaming and it'll never be low enough cost for that to change, because when it is there will be faster options at the same cost. 5950X is for a different purpose and use case, it's a great CPU for that and excellent value but that's not the discussion use case.

 

Also buying Ryzen 5000 on the cheap only to upgrade later doesn't actually make a lot of sense, upgrading from an older generation does. 5600G and 12400F are the same cost however the 12400F walks all over it for gaming and then whatever 13th Gen you might and could upgrade to would walk all over the 5600X, 5800X, 5950X etc. Remember for gaming there is no significant difference between the upper end of Zen 3 product stack other than the 5800X3D so why not just buy a 5600X instead of the 5600G and just simply never upgrade, less money overall and near same performance regardless.

 

But the above issue with buying a 5600X is as stated no future unlike an Intel 12th Gen system which does have a future.

 

This is not about AM5, it's about not knowingly buying in to a dead end when you literally have a better option with a future at comparable cost and in many cases better performance. Yes I would wait for AM5 to come out and reviews etc but if someone wants to buy now for whatever reason then Intel just makes that little bit more sense right now.

 

Speaking as someone, again, who as done this very mistake do not do it. If this is a nothing office computer or family PC not going to be used for gaming and will do next to nothing then it doesn't matter, almost nothing does other than minimum viable product in which case sort by lowest cost and don't over think to much.

 

Part of the appeal and praise AMD got for AM4 was it's upgrade path and future options, all that potential. Advocating for buying a new entire AM4 system now flies directly in the face of that.

[LAwLz]

I think there are a lot of, kinda dumb takes in this thread.

 

1) I don't think you should buy a PC with the expectation of upgrading it in like a year or so. If you do that then you messed up. You shouldn't choose Alder Lake over Ryzen 5000 because in like 6 months you can upgrade the CPU again to something slightly better. Likewise, I don't think waiting for Ryzen 6000 instead of buying Ryzen 5000 is a good idea, if the main argument is "I want to be able to upgrade the CPU".

Realistically, you don't really need to upgrade your CPU more than maybe once every ~5 years or so. If you are upgrading more often than that then chances are you didn't plan properly to begin with, or are just upgrading for the sake for upgrading (bragging rights and a quick hit of dopamine from buying expensive stuff you don't need). In either case, you probably want a new motherboard as well and therefore the platform does not matter.

 

2) I think designing your computer around only doing one specific task, with no regards for anything else, in this case "gaming is the only thing that matters! Slightly higher FPS in some games is worth more than a 30% higher multithreaded performance at a lower price!" is shortsighted and dumb.

I will gladly take 7% lower gaming performance if I gain about 33% higher multicore performance. Especially if we factor in the price, where the 5800X3D is 13% more expensive. 

Paying 13% more for 7% higher gaming performance, and about 30% lower multithreaded performance sounds dumb to me.

 

Especially since the 12700K offers ~98% of the gaming performance at 84% of the price, and it also offers roughly 50% higher multi-core performance.

[leadeater]

1 hour ago, LAwLz said:

You shouldn't choose Alder Lake over Ryzen 5000 because in like 6 months you can upgrade the CPU again to something slightly better.

Who said anything about 6 months lol? If you buy a 12400/12400F you'll be happy with that for 2 years or more and then could upgrade to something 13th Gen or just a higher end 12th Gen (quite unlikely though).

 

1 hour ago, LAwLz said:

2) I think designing your computer around only doing one specific task, with no regards for anything else, in this case "gaming is the only thing that matters! Slightly higher FPS in some games is worth more than a 30% higher multithreaded performance at a lower price!" is shortsighted and dumb.

I will gladly take 7% lower gaming performance if I gain about 33% higher multicore performance. Especially if we factor in the price, where the 5800X3D is 13% more expensive. 

Paying 13% more for 7% higher gaming performance, and about 30% lower multithreaded performance sounds dumb to me.

8 Zen 3 cores isn't at all ignoring anything lol. If you need more than that then your workload needs aren't primarily gaming or you just simply think you need more than you do. Similarly saying buying a 5900X makes any sense at all is the exact same pit fall here you are talking about the 5800X3D, 5800X gives the same gaming performance as the 5900X does and is more than adequate for any "multi-core workload".

 

The "dumbest take" is literally as you point out, and myself, Alder Lake is the clear and obvious choice. Be that the 12400 or the 12700K.

 

Also I really don't think you read very well, being able to upgrade if you go with Alder Lake is just a factor like anything else, you're the one portraying it as the hill to die on argument 

 

Also be mindful that some sections and talking points are response to other replies and offer up more than what I think you actually read or took enough notice of why they were said. They aren't necessarily anything more than a reply to a point and not actually a recommendation.

 

P.S. 1440p and higher data isn't such a great data point to use if one ever plans to upgrade GPU while keeping their current CPU. The 5800X3D is much greater than 7% faster at gaming when not GPU limited.