[AMD] Guess what's coming soon [UPDATE]

[osbios]

nice  so this is the ones use on the XBO and PS4 ?

 

Dont forget the PS4 uses GDDR. On the PC ddr3 bandwidth is still the limit.

This one is the PS4 APU layout:

 

[7850OC]

Dont forget the PS4 uses GDDR. On the PC ddr3 bandwidth is still the limit.

This one is the PS4 APU layout:

nice  :wub:

[Opcode]

nice  so this is the ones use on the XBO and PS4 ?

The APU found in the PS4 and XBox One are based off Kabini (Jaguar architecture). The Athlon 5350 is a smaller version of them. Beema uses the existing Jaguar architecture, but with a new tweaked and improved Puma core. Which is rumored (from AMD @ CES 2014) to be around 20-24% faster than its predecessor at equal or less power consumption. I personally cannot wait to see how well the flagship desktop AM1 variant performs against the Athlon 5350.

 

Athlon 5350 + HD 6850 - BF4 MP @ 1080p on High settings. Solid 30 FPS.

 

At this rate, and the rate games are going (heavily threaded) I personally wouldn't mind a 12 core Puma CPU. 

 

Beema Mobile

[kuddlesworth9419]

huh? how would that be any different? and what APU's have too good graphics for your liking or something?

No it's just AMD has decided that the gpu side of an APU is more important then the CPU. I disagree. A CPU should be a CPU and a GPU should be a GPU. Keep the two separate or at least have the GPU weak enough so it doesn't become a detriment to the CPU.

[kuddlesworth9419]

How did you manage to drag the Xbox into this conversation? More so, do name HSA powered applications on it.

If they aren't interested on making it on a closed platform then there is no way of making them on it on an open platform.

[Izaya Orihara]

To me it makes sense that they come out with new CPU's that have a smaller die. And the die is so small that you need a glass to see it? Maybe? 

[kuddlesworth9419]

Battlefield 4 is 64 bit as well, I see where you are coming from, but I respectfully disagree. I guess we will have to wait and see

Most games and most applications run in a 32-bit environment. I would imagine it is 5% of all applications are 64-bit the rest are 32-bit and will probably never get converted. 

[Spongy141]

No it's just AMD has decided that the gpu side of an APU is more important then the CPU. I disagree. A CPU should be a CPU and a GPU should be a GPU. Keep the two separate or at least have the GPU weak enough so it doesn't become a detriment to the CPU.

Completely agree, they need to stop giving the radeon cores so much space and add more CPU cores.

[dragoon20005]

the transition from 16 bit system to full 32 bit took almost a decade 

 

but judging from how new technology is churning out so quickly like 64bit ARM processors

 

full 64 bit apps and software could be close by.

 

you guys think AMD might even release the official desktop version of the APU use in the PS4 and Xbox One?

[GeathX]

the transition from 16 bit system to full 32 bit took almost a decade 

 

but judging from how new technology is churning out so quickly like 64bit ARM processors

 

full 64 bit apps and software could be close by.

 

you guys think AMD might even release the official desktop version of the APU use in the PS4 and Xbox One?

 

 

Who knows they might release something pretty damn close to the APU in the PS4 down the line, well if they just keep updating the APUs they will eventually match the performance anyway with less cores for the CPU and GPU.

 

Going forward with 64bit programs, there are probably going to be applications that will never really need more the 4GB of ram, but games will. Over the next gen we are going to see game need more than 4GB which forces the system to be 64bit.

[dragoon20005]

Who knows they might release something pretty damn close to the APU in the PS4 down the line, well if they just keep updating the APUs they will eventually match the performance anyway with less cores for the CPU and GPU.

 

Going forward with 64bit programs, there are probably going to be applications that will never really need more the 4GB of ram, but games will. Over the next gen we are going to see game need more than 4GB which forces the system to be 64bit.

game will still be stuck with 4GB limit unless there is a huge update to the game engine

 

but Adobe Creative Suite and 3D and video rendering do need hack a lot of RAM although still cannot match the amount of RAM used for rendering scenes for blockbuster movies like Transformer, Pacific Rim etc.

[Curemylife]

No it's just AMD has decided that the gpu side of an APU is more important then the CPU. I disagree. A CPU should be a CPU and a GPU should be a GPU. Keep the two separate or at least have the GPU weak enough so it doesn't become a detriment to the CPU.

And here's why they call it an APU, technically intels CPU's could also be called APUs.

I know that you know this but I don't get why you're against it?

It's just like putting a regular CPU and a discrete graphics card together but you wouldn't care if said CPU was a pentium 4? Because that's a TRUE CPU? They simply put the two together to save space, money and power efficiency in a way they're capable of doing and isn't that just fine?

[Khvarrioiren]

If they aren't interested on making it on a closed platform then there is no way of making them on it on an open platform.

That sentence is absolutely incomprehensible. Discarded.

[kuddlesworth9419]

And here's why they call it an APU, technically intels CPU's could also be called APUs.

I know that you know this but I don't get why you're against it?

It's just like putting a regular CPU and a discrete graphics card together but you wouldn't care if said CPU was a pentium 4? Because that's a TRUE CPU? They simply put the two together to save space, money and power efficiency in a way they're capable of doing and isn't that just fine?

How is it fine. AMD is making the CPU terrible to account for good integrated graphics. I don't understand why AMD thinks making a CPU bad is a good idea. If AMD just stopped this APU thing and made a CPU with powerful individual cores it would compete with Intel. 

[BillyCool]

It's the dream, a Phenom III X8 2100T :rolleyes:

[7850OC]

for the record :rolleyes: 

 

this can be the new Opteron X class also 

[GeathX]

game will still be stuck with 4GB limit unless there is a huge update to the game engine

 

but Adobe Creative Suite and 3D and video rendering do need hack a lot of RAM although still cannot match the amount of RAM used for rendering scenes for blockbuster movies like Transformer, Pacific Rim etc.

 

Yeah i know all that . That's what I meant by going forward with gaming. Watch Dog min specs is 6GB ram, that's not even a year into the now current gen of gaming. Imagine what it will be like in 2 or 3 years.

 

And yeah those programs can easily use all the RAM you can fit into a pc. I do 3d animation and visual effects work so I know how quickly RAM can be consumed.

[Curemylife]

How is it fine. AMD is making the CPU terrible to account for good integrated graphics. I don't understand why AMD thinks making a CPU bad is a good idea. If AMD just stopped this APU thing and made a CPU with powerful individual cores it would compete with Intel.

But they can't, and that's the reason that they haven't released anything after the 8350(and those oveclocked ones). The cores they use in the 7850k are the same cores they would have put into the next FX-series but what would the point be? Everything is still built upon their bulldozer architecture which was at launch far behind intel in IPC and they simple don't have the funds for RnD to make something that much better.

The future lies with SoC and right now they're trying to save money so that they won't be utterly crushed when Intel completely changes focus.

[TOMPPIX]

interesting http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/467772 

http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/539288

[vitor_cut]

i think it's Beema.

Major changes on cpu side only with the new finfet produccion metode at Goflo is ready to go (tanks to samsung/ goflo partenership ) AMD win's a new manufacturing process and can be closer to Intel at least in the manufacturing tec.

[Akolyte]

Maybe a cpu to compete with the i5 4670k in performance?  the 8350 was great, but it wasnt as fast in single threaded things.  If AMD releases a processor cheaper than Intel's and the same speeds, they could control the sweet spot gaming processor market in months!  

or a powerful apu would also be cool.  Although I think AMD still has to get something to compete with the i5,  

[Rockmandash12]

OMG A NEW PROCESSOR? AM3+ OR A NEW HIGH END CHIP??? PLEASE???????????????????????????????????????????????????????

 

Oh... who am I kidding, AMD doesn't care about the high end anymore. I'd totally sell my i5 and get an AMD if it was better.

[DudeWazap]

It would be awesome if it were their Steamroller CPU's that I have been waited for, for ever.

[7850OC]

well, as far as i know... there is one rare CPU in the way, with 16 cores for the normal person (so... is not this one), but "all" is still much on dark in that place yet (non sources are available so far)

 

 

[Me1z]

It's yet another quad core APU that probably isn't going in any of my future builds. If they really want APU's to get anywhere besides low end budget builds and facebook machines they better focus on core performance. Unified CPU and GPU is definitely the future, but you're not going to get anywhere with the performance of an entry level mobile i5. C'mon AMD, It's a great idea and I want to like you, but weak APU's make me cry.