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[asimpleguy]

Budget (including currency): 2000 AUD

Country: Australia

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Programming (front end work, possibility of getting into ai and machine learning, possibility of getting into 3d work with blender, light gaming (max is probably rocket league), the priority will be more on productivity then gaming

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): 

 

So I thought why not build a pc. I'm looking online for some components, and I feel like buying a graphics card is a bit of stretch and difficult considering the price and all, so i wanted to ask is something like the ryzen 5700g worth it or even the 5600g for my workflow. I've seen their specs and they seem good. How well would they do in programming, blender work and some rocket league or it is better that I should I aim to go for another cpu and purchase a gpu.

 

This is the current list i have:

PCPartPicker Part List: https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/2Nd9Nc

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5700G 3.8 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($436.00 @ Skycomp Technology) 
Motherboard: MSI MAG B550 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($189.00 @ Centre Com) 
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo Plus 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($89.00 @ BPC Technology) 
Storage: Samsung 870 Evo 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($149.00 @ MSY Technology) 
Case: Corsair 275R Airflow ATX Mid Tower Case  ($99.00 @ PCCaseGear) 
Power Supply: MSI MPG A-GF 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($109.00 @ MSY Technology) 
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit  ($195.00 @ Amazon Australia) 
Total: $1266.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-04-04 15:32 AEST+1000

 

I need a mobo that has wifi but i wasnt sure which one to choose so I just went with that one, if anyone can recommend one that would be awesome, there's alot of the budget left so if there are any upgrades or better componenets that you think is good would also be appreciated.

 

EDIT: Also no rgb is necessary so moe could be spent on just performance, if a move to intel is a better option, i can do that as well

 

 

Thanks!

[SpookyCitrus]

First off you are going to need ram 3200mhz or higher speed is almost necessary for Ryzen CPUs these days, 16GB is plenty for most programming(some ram will be shared with the iGPU so depending on your open programs and processes it may be a little low). 32GB may be a future upgrade as depending on your use case and if you do decide to go into Blender and Machine Learning  they will eat 16GB up.

 

Second while an iGPU is more than enough for programming it is almost useless for literally everything else you want to/possibly will do. A dedicated GPU is recommended for Blender and Machine Learning, the Vega 8 just isn't going to cut it. The GPU pricing has actually come down quite a bit and stock is looking up so pricing even in Australia isn't that bad anymore. You can find plenty of GPUs for only $100 to $150 AUD over MSRP which is a lot better than double or triple MSRP months ago. If you do decide to get into Blender and Machine Learning a dedicated GPU is vital.

 

I can't recommend Gigabyte's Aorus line of motherboards enough.

 

You can cut the expense of "name brand" storage drives for what you are doing as well to save some money whilst still getting quality drives. If you want to go for Samsung drives you can it's up to you but as far as the speed of which Windows/programs load or function and files transfer there won't be a noticeable difference with the Crucials.

 

Honestly, I wouldn't trust an MSI power supply( I don't have personal or professional experience with them but MSI can be iffy sometimes and some of the things I've heard about their PSUs would steer me clear). I'd spend a little extra and get a quality unit as the PSU is something you definitely don't want to skimp on.

 

I really only changed the case due to price. (RGB is also an extra bonus to some, though I don't fancy rainbow puke personally)

 

Pricing in Australia is just wack in general but something like this would be solid for what your looking to do. 

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/QWH2Vw

[Somerandomtechyboi]

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/WLhkXy

Looking at your workload youd prob want a faster cpu single core wise

 

You are better off getting a cheap gpu like 3060ti or 6600(xt) rather than relying on igpu though igpu may be handy incase your gpu dies, in that case you may wanna consider swapping the cpu for a 12600k or just buy some cheap dx11 display adapter like those lowend hd 5000, 6000, 7000, and 8000 cards

 

Get windows off a cheapkeys site like scdkeys, kinguin, etc. For ~20$

 

Apparently the market is having a mental breakdown and you can get higher performing and/or cheaper parts with rgbs so i hope you are ok with rgbs or you can just turn them off

 

Dont bother with sata ssds till you fill all the nvme slots on the board, they are slower and not much cheaper and for some particular sata ssds they are overpriced and getting a superior performing nvme is actually cheaper (looking at you samsung ssds)

[Vibrant._.gamez]

1 hour ago, asimpleguy said:

Budget (including currency): 2000 AUD

Country: Australia

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Programming (front end work, possibility of getting into ai and machine learning, possibility of getting into 3d work with blender, light gaming (max is probably rocket league), the priority will be more on productivity then gaming

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): 

 

So I thought why not build a pc. I'm looking online for some components, and I feel like buying a graphics card is a bit of stretch and difficult considering the price and all, so i wanted to ask is something like the ryzen 5700g worth it or even the 5600g for my workflow. I've seen their specs and they seem good. How well would they do in programming, blender work and some rocket league or it is better that I should I aim to go for another cpu and purchase a gpu.

 

This is the current list i have:

PCPartPicker Part List: https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/2Nd9Nc

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5700G 3.8 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($436.00 @ Skycomp Technology) 
Motherboard: MSI MAG B550 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($189.00 @ Centre Com) 
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo Plus 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($89.00 @ BPC Technology) 
Storage: Samsung 870 Evo 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($149.00 @ MSY Technology) 
Case: Corsair 275R Airflow ATX Mid Tower Case  ($99.00 @ PCCaseGear) 
Power Supply: MSI MPG A-GF 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($109.00 @ MSY Technology) 
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit  ($195.00 @ Amazon Australia) 
Total: $1266.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-04-04 15:32 AEST+1000

 

I need a mobo that has wifi but i wasnt sure which one to choose so I just went with that one, if anyone can recommend one that would be awesome, there's alot of the budget left so if there are any upgrades or better componenets that you think is good would also be appreciated.

 

EDIT: Also no rgb is necessary so moe could be spent on just performance, if a move to intel is a better option, i can do that as well

 

 

Thanks!

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/fDpHzf take a look at this it's better than ryzen it will help you load things faster in apps like blender and it will look good plus you can really play any game you want

[rikitikitavi]

As it was mentioned already, depending on the programming and 3D modeling you might need a discreet GPU and 16-32GB RAM (or higher).

 

As for the rest:

CPU: atm go for Intel, probably starting from 12400 to 12700K for iGPU, 12400F to 12700FK for discreet GPU.

CPU Cooler: air cooler (no fuss). For example Noctua D15(s) for a hot CPU.

RAM: min 2x8 GB 3200 (add 2x8 extra when actually needed), but might be a good idea to go 2x16 right away.

MOBO: don't go fancy unless you know you need it, so something like B660 ~AUD200 with WiFi. Physical size: ATX > mATX > mITX.

SSD: M.2 or SATA doesn't matter that much. Depending on your needs... 1-2TB WD Blue for example. For more info: https://linustechtips.com/topic/1092033-ssd-tier-list/

GPU: if needed, then, 3050-3060, and these are probably more than you need - again all depends on your case.

CASE: any ATX case will most probably fit everything, if you go smaller like mATX or mITX - then make sure Mobo fits. Looks and airflow (check out Fractal Design)

PSU: Seasonic, be quiet!, Corsair and EVGA are the usual suspects. Even if you go full AUD2000 and get 12400KF, 32GB and RTX 3060 your peak consumption will be only 527w (https://www.newegg.ca/tools/power-supply-calculator/), so something like 600-650w Gold has plenty of headroom to add more stuff if needed.

[asimpleguy]

First of, thanks everyone for the replies. 

 

So I took what was said into consideration  and came up with this.

 

PCPartPicker Part List: https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/BkWrrD

CPU: Intel Core i5-12400 2.5 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($299.00 @ Centre Com) 
CPU Cooler: EK EK-AIO 240 D-RGB 66.04 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($139.00 @ Mwave Australia) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte B660M DS3H AX DDR4 Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($189.00 @ Scorptec) 
Memory: Crucial Ballistix 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  ($187.34 @ Amazon Australia) 
Storage: Crucial P2 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($69.00 @ Amazon Australia) 
Storage: Crucial P2 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($125.00 @ Amazon Australia) 
Video Card: EVGA GeForce RTX 3060 12 GB XC GAMING Video Card  ($639.00 @ BPC Technology) 
Case: Lian Li LANCOOL 215 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($129.00 @ PCCaseGear) 
Power Supply: Corsair RMx (2021) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($179.00 @ MSY Technology) 
Total: $1955.34
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-04-05 16:42 AEST+1000

 

In terms of cpu, with the motherboard into consideration would it possible to upgrade in the future to something like the 12700. I do think they have the same chipset and socket type requirement. As of now would it be a better option to go with the 12600k, considering it does take a decent amount more energy than the 12400.

 

Could someone confirm that this gpu can connect to the power supply, i think I confused my self regarding that. Also what are your guys opinion about the graphics card, should I stick with this option or stay the igpu until later. I'm not to sure how well it will do with blender and all that.

[KaitouX]

10 minutes ago, asimpleguy said:

Motherboard: Gigabyte B660M DS3H AX DDR4 Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($189.00 @ Scorptec) 

In terms of cpu, with the motherboard into consideration would it possible to upgrade in the future to something like the 12700. I do think they have the same chipset and socket type requirement. As of now would it be a better option to go with the 12600k, considering it does take a decent amount more energy than the 12400.

I would look at the MSI PRO B660M-A DDR4 instead if you want to upgrade in the future.

[asimpleguy]

19 minutes ago, KaitouX said:

I would look at the MSI PRO B660M-A DDR4 instead if you want to upgrade in the future.

Is there something about this board that makes it better than the the gigabyte, also I'm not seeing it but does the board support bluetooth, wifi isnt necessary since i can use lan.

 

Thanks!

[KaitouX]

12 minutes ago, asimpleguy said:

Is there something about this board that makes it better than the the gigabyte, also I'm not seeing it but does the board support bluetooth, wifi isnt necessary since i can use lan.

 

Thanks!

Better power delivery. It's able to run the 12700 at the turbo without throttling in heavy loads even if the airflow isn't that good. The Gigabyte seems to max out around 125W, while the MSI can keep it at the 180W it uses while at turbo without time limits.

 

With direct airflow all but the Asrock HDV can run it maxed out though:

 

https://www.techspot.com/review/2426-intel-b660-motherboards/

[asimpleguy]

Will defintely take that, thanks!

Here's the updated list.

 

PCPartPicker Part List: https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/jcBrrD

CPU: Intel Core i5-12400 2.5 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($299.00 @ Centre Com) 
CPU Cooler: EK EK-AIO 240 D-RGB 66.04 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($139.00 @ Mwave Australia) 
Motherboard: MSI PRO B660M-A DDR4 Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($219.00 @ Centre Com) 
Memory: Crucial Ballistix 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  ($187.34 @ Amazon Australia) 
Storage: Crucial P2 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($69.00 @ Amazon Australia) 
Storage: Crucial P2 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($125.00 @ Amazon Australia) 
Video Card: EVGA GeForce RTX 3060 12 GB XC GAMING Video Card  ($639.00 @ BPC Technology) 
Case: Lian Li LANCOOL 215 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($129.00 @ PCCaseGear) 
Power Supply: Corsair RMx (2021) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($179.00 @ MSY Technology) 
Total: $1985.34
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-04-05 17:48 AEST+1000

 

[igormp]

6 hours ago, asimpleguy said:

Will defintely take that, thanks!

Here's the updated list.

 

PCPartPicker Part List: https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/jcBrrD

CPU: Intel Core i5-12400 2.5 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($299.00 @ Centre Com) 
CPU Cooler: EK EK-AIO 240 D-RGB 66.04 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($139.00 @ Mwave Australia) 
Motherboard: MSI PRO B660M-A DDR4 Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($219.00 @ Centre Com) 
Memory: Crucial Ballistix 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  ($187.34 @ Amazon Australia) 
Storage: Crucial P2 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($69.00 @ Amazon Australia) 
Storage: Crucial P2 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($125.00 @ Amazon Australia) 
Video Card: EVGA GeForce RTX 3060 12 GB XC GAMING Video Card  ($639.00 @ BPC Technology) 
Case: Lian Li LANCOOL 215 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($129.00 @ PCCaseGear) 
Power Supply: Corsair RMx (2021) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($179.00 @ MSY Technology) 
Total: $1985.34
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-04-05 17:48 AEST+1000

 

LGTM, that GPU is the perfect GPU for ML on a budget, 12gb of vram and good enough performance, you also have Optix for blender without breaking the bank.

[Jeppes]

Aio is a huge waste of money for a 12400. Case and psu also have quite bad value with those prices.

14$ over with a 12700f and 2tb faster ssd.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i7-12700F 2.1 GHz 12-Core Processor  ($479.00 @ Centre Com)
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Freezer i35 A-RGB CPU Cooler  ($49.00 @ PCCaseGear)
Motherboard: MSI PRO B660M-A DDR4 Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($215.10 @ JW Computers)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  ($187.34 @ Amazon Australia)
Storage: PNY XLR8 CS3030 2 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($249.00 @ PCByte)
Video Card: MSI GeForce RTX 3060 12 GB GAMING X Video Card  ($649.00 @ BPC Technology)
Case: Silverstone FARA H1M MicroATX Mini Tower Case  ($65.00 @ Umart)
Power Supply: MSI MPG A-GF 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($109.00 @ BPC Technology)
Case Fan: ARCTIC P12 56.3 CFM 120 mm Fan  ($6.00 @ PCCaseGear)
Case Fan: ARCTIC P12 56.3 CFM 120 mm Fan  ($6.00 @ PCCaseGear)
Total: $2014.44
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-04-06 01:39 AEST+1000

 

 

[asimpleguy]

8 hours ago, Jeppes said:

Aio is a huge waste of money for a 12400. Case and psu also have quite bad value with those prices.

14$ over with a 12700f and 2tb faster ssd.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i7-12700F 2.1 GHz 12-Core Processor  ($479.00 @ Centre Com)
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Freezer i35 A-RGB CPU Cooler  ($49.00 @ PCCaseGear)
Motherboard: MSI PRO B660M-A DDR4 Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($215.10 @ JW Computers)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  ($187.34 @ Amazon Australia)
Storage: PNY XLR8 CS3030 2 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($249.00 @ PCByte)
Video Card: MSI GeForce RTX 3060 12 GB GAMING X Video Card  ($649.00 @ BPC Technology)
Case: Silverstone FARA H1M MicroATX Mini Tower Case  ($65.00 @ Umart)
Power Supply: MSI MPG A-GF 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($109.00 @ BPC Technology)
Case Fan: ARCTIC P12 56.3 CFM 120 mm Fan  ($6.00 @ PCCaseGear)
Case Fan: ARCTIC P12 56.3 CFM 120 mm Fan  ($6.00 @ PCCaseGear)
Total: $2014.44
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-04-06 01:39 AEST+1000

 

 

Thanks for the replies,

 

So I understand the cpu choice, I've also seen benchmarks to show its a pretty good choice. 

 

In terms of the psu, I was informed to steer clear from msi's psu, is this psu just better than the corsair one? I also noticed you changed the gpu from evga to an msi one, is there somethign about this card that makes it better?

 

Thanks!

[Jeppes]

12 hours ago, asimpleguy said:

Thanks for the replies,

 

So I understand the cpu choice, I've also seen benchmarks to show its a pretty good choice. 

 

In terms of the psu, I was informed to steer clear from msi's psu, is this psu just better than the corsair one? I also noticed you changed the gpu from evga to an msi one, is there somethign about this card that makes it better?

 

Thanks!

Rmx might have a bit quieter fan but i wouldnt pay double for it. GPU was because of pricing and usually MSI gaming x has a good cooler too.

[asimpleguy]

Also, wanted to ask, in terms of the fans, cpu cooler, gpu and psu, would this be a quiet build, forgot to mention that.

[asimpleguy]

Also, wanted to ask, in terms of the fans, cpu cooler, gpu and psu, would this be a quiet build, forgot to mention that.