IOS to Android

[rikitikitavi]

@IPD , either you had a very crappy personal experience with a multitude of Apple products somehow, or just a ‘hater’…

 

Last couple of people I encountered that had ‘similar’ attitude - didn’t own/use any of Apple products, but rather hated the brand for whatever reason and of course loved riding the ‘hate-hype’ train whenever negative news would appear.

[Commodus]

1 hour ago, IPD said:

@Commodus

 

WTF.  I never compared the XZ2 to the iphone 13.  That was @Roswell.

 

Second off:

 

https://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=9082&idPhone2=11104

 

5.4" isn't small.  It's just smaller than the 6.5" offerings that have flooded the market.  And when you are talking about phones, that addtional .4" of diagonal size is a big deal.  The only reason that the exterior dimensions are close is because apple has a fetish for the goddamn notch, and Sony could have easily made the top/bottom bezel even smaller.

 

Third off, every apple-fanboi is going to call everything "anti-apple" as "highly irrational".  This despite years of document evidence of all the unpardonable sins that Apple keeps committing (Antenna-gate, bend-gate, purple photos, yellow screens, updates that all but brick older devices, chipped circuit boards that make repairs impossible, etc, etc, etc)

 

Fourth, android isn't "a monopoly", even without counting Apple.  Nor is this like some kind of "Android master race" argument.  Apple peripherals will almost never sound/perform/etc as good on non Apple devices--and the ones that do still cost far more than a third-party offering which offers far more value/performance.  You don't lose choices by sticking with Apple, you just lose features or abilities; which is why the Apple-only experience is generally better than the Apple+non-apple experience; and both far inferior to the "stayed the F away from Apple altogether" experience.

 

20 goddamn years of comparing every product Apple has made to its contemporaries has left me with the unshakable conviction that you will always be overpaying for lower quality.  That goes for laptops, phones, desktops, mp3 players, headphones, etc, etc, etc.  The rabid anti-apple comes from years of listening to goddamn fanbois try and FUD away everything I'm saying as though none of these Apple drawbacks are well historically documented.

 

The truth remains that the iPhone 13 mini is smaller than the XZ2 Compact while offering a practically larger screen (even with the notch), and being a few years newer is unsurprisingly much faster and better at photography.

 

And how did I know you'd try to hand-wave away all claims as fan arguments? Apple has had some significant gaffes, but "unpardonable sins?" Really? Especially since some of the problems you describe have manifested in Android devices, too. (bending frames, weird photo bugs, tinted screens, bad OS updates). Moreover, how many of those outside of the board chips (which itself is going away) manifested at any point in the past few years? Apple is now pretty good at optimizing for the oldest supported devices; the only reason my folks upgraded from the iPhone 6 to the iPhone 11 in 2019 was because they wanted to stay current with software. Their five-year-old phones were still running well at that point.

 

Android has a global monopoly. That's a demonstrable fact. Apple's market share as of Q3 2021 was 14%, which means Android has 86%... that's a monopoly by the legal definition of the term. Now, it doesn't have a monopoly in the US, but most people don't live there. And I find it amusingly ironic that you're determined to pretend Android doesn't have a monopoly while simultaneously pining for it.

 

While I certainly disagree with your conclusions (though I'm more balanced than you think), that's not the real issue here: it's that you're not level-headed enough to provide reasonable recommendations. Someone who's asking "should I switch to Android?" shouldn't be listening to a person who sounds like they'd set fire to Apple Park if they could get away with it. This isn't an easy choice, and it's not as clear-cut as you pretend it is.

[D13H4RD]

Since we're taking about bad OS updates, is no one going to mention that the Nokia 9 is not getting its promised 2nd OS upgrade, with Nokia basically telling people to buy a new phone for the latest version of the software? That phone runs a version of Android that's pretty close to stock BTW.

 

I just need to point out that Android isn't as perfect as some claim it to be, and a lot of it is based on the manufacturer of the product you chose. To be on the safe side, buy a Google Pixel or Samsung. These guys promise at least 3 OS upgrades for their high end devices from 2019 onwards, and they have been good at delivering it.

 

I think it's silly that decent levels of software support is a selling point at all. Everyone rightfully gives shit towards Apple for stifling hardware repair support especially from third parties, in an effort to encourage upgrades, but it's like the wider community gives some Android device manufacturers a free pass of sorts for not supporting their devices with software as well as they should because "3 years is enough".

[D13H4RD]

9 hours ago, PCTechBoi said:

I would like to use the features of the pen and the other features that iPhones don’t have. In my opinion buying a phone with a built in stylus is better than getting an ipad with a high quality $100-$200 stylus.

All fair. You'll probably come to like Smart Select. As mentioned, it's my most used extra feature on the Note and the part I miss most going onto my iPhone.

[IPD]

18 hours ago, Commodus said:

The truth remains that the iPhone 13 mini is smaller than the XZ2 Compact while offering a practically larger screen (even with the notch), and being a few years newer is unsurprisingly much faster and better at photography.

 

And how did I know you'd try to hand-wave away all claims as fan arguments? Apple has had some significant gaffes, but "unpardonable sins?" Really? Especially since some of the problems you describe have manifested in Android devices, too. (bending frames, weird photo bugs, tinted screens, bad OS updates). Moreover, how many of those outside of the board chips (which itself is going away) manifested at any point in the past few years? Apple is now pretty good at optimizing for the oldest supported devices; the only reason my folks upgraded from the iPhone 6 to the iPhone 11 in 2019 was because they wanted to stay current with software. Their five-year-old phones were still running well at that point.

 

Android has a global monopoly. That's a demonstrable fact. Apple's market share as of Q3 2021 was 14%, which means Android has 86%... that's a monopoly by the legal definition of the term. Now, it doesn't have a monopoly in the US, but most people don't live there. And I find it amusingly ironic that you're determined to pretend Android doesn't have a monopoly while simultaneously pining for it.

 

While I certainly disagree with your conclusions (though I'm more balanced than you think), that's not the real issue here: it's that you're not level-headed enough to provide reasonable recommendations. Someone who's asking "should I switch to Android?" shouldn't be listening to a person who sounds like they'd set fire to Apple Park if they could get away with it. This isn't an easy choice, and it's not as clear-cut as you pretend it is.

The difference is taht when an Android product is a dud, there's plenty of other brands/products to pick from.  If Apple flubs it, you are SOL.

 

Though IDK why you'd think I'd be that vengeful against Apple Park.  The rage is against the sheeple who keep fawning over this and shelling out countless fortunes even though they just got burned last week by the same company.  People don't do that with cars.  If you buy a Dodge and it's a lemon, you are likely to go buy a Honda next time.

 

iOS fanbois be like "I don't care that Apple raped me last week, TAKE MY MONIES!!!!"

[IPD]

12 hours ago, D13H4RD said:

Since we're taking about bad OS updates, is no one going to mention that the Nokia 9 is not getting its promised 2nd OS upgrade, with Nokia basically telling people to buy a new phone for the latest version of the software? That phone runs a version of Android that's pretty close to stock BTW.

 

I just need to point out that Android isn't as perfect as some claim it to be, and a lot of it is based on the manufacturer of the product you chose. To be on the safe side, buy a Google Pixel or Samsung. These guys promise at least 3 OS upgrades for their high end devices from 2019 onwards, and they have been good at delivering it.

 

I think it's silly that decent levels of software support is a selling point at all. Everyone rightfully gives shit towards Apple for stifling hardware repair support especially from third parties, in an effort to encourage upgrades, but it's like the wider community gives some Android device manufacturers a free pass of sorts for not supporting their devices with software as well as they should because "3 years is enough".

You'd first have to convince me that the original hardware on Apple's end was more powerful, and justified the longer lifespan.  I am by no means a fan of abridged support after an abbreviated time, but I feel that's something that could be easily addressed by improved regulation--just like how right 2 repair would fix a lot of things.

[Commodus]

4 hours ago, IPD said:

The difference is taht when an Android product is a dud, there's plenty of other brands/products to pick from.  If Apple flubs it, you are SOL.

 

Though IDK why you'd think I'd be that vengeful against Apple Park.  The rage is against the sheeple who keep fawning over this and shelling out countless fortunes even though they just got burned last week by the same company.  People don't do that with cars.  If you buy a Dodge and it's a lemon, you are likely to go buy a Honda next time.

 

iOS fanbois be like "I don't care that Apple raped me last week, TAKE MY MONIES!!!!"

You're right about alternatives... to a degree. You do have choices if an Android phone steers you wrong, but the choices that would meet your expectations aren't necessarily that broad. Let's say I don't like the Pixel 6 Pro. Well, the S21 Ultra is a good alternative, but others? You'll have a hard time finding Android phones that are truly comparable and are supported where you live (good luck getting and using a Xiaomi Mi 11 Ultra in the US, for instance). If Apple flubs you're in trouble, and that was definitely a problem during the "bad old days" of the butterfly keyboard MacBooks... but the whole point is that it hasn't really flubbed much.

 

I made the Apple Park comment because you use hyperbole whenever you speak about Apple. You effectively claim that all Apple products are always worse than their non-Apple counterparts. Only Apple products have technical glitches; all people who enjoy Apple products are mindless drones. There's no nuance, no realism... and there's a healthy dose of irony in claiming Apple users are sheep while simultaneously urging them to choose the most mainstream options on the planet. It's like arguing that real indie music fans only listen to Top 40 pop. Not that Apple users are counterculture rebels, but they did choose the minority platform (on a global scale, anyway).

 

The boring truth is that only a fraction of Apple users are fanpeople. The majority may like Apple gear and keep buying it, but they're not fawning over the company or so attached that they wouldn't switch if they felt they'd get a meaningfully better experience. Hell, I'm firmly in camp Apple and I still know the phone (Pixel 6), laptop (XPS 13) and smartwatch (Galaxy Watch 4) I'd likely buy if I had to make the jump. I just wish you'd have a cool-headed, rational approach to Apple; right now, you don't.

[PCTechBoi]

On 12/17/2021 at 1:32 PM, Commodus said:

You're right about alternatives... to a degree. You do have choices if an Android phone steers you wrong, but the choices that would meet your expectations aren't necessarily that broad. Let's say I don't like the Pixel 6 Pro. Well, the S21 Ultra is a good alternative, but others? You'll have a hard time finding Android phones that are truly comparable and are supported where you live (good luck getting and using a Xiaomi Mi 11 Ultra in the US, for instance). If Apple flubs you're in trouble, and that was definitely a problem during the "bad old days" of the butterfly keyboard MacBooks... but the whole point is that it hasn't really flubbed much.

 

I made the Apple Park comment because you use hyperbole whenever you speak about Apple. You effectively claim that all Apple products are always worse than their non-Apple counterparts. Only Apple products have technical glitches; all people who enjoy Apple products are mindless drones. There's no nuance, no realism... and there's a healthy dose of irony in claiming Apple users are sheep while simultaneously urging them to choose the most mainstream options on the planet. It's like arguing that real indie music fans only listen to Top 40 pop. Not that Apple users are counterculture rebels, but they did choose the minority platform (on a global scale, anyway).

 

The boring truth is that only a fraction of Apple users are fanpeople. The majority may like Apple gear and keep buying it, but they're not fawning over the company or so attached that they wouldn't switch if they felt they'd get a meaningfully better experience. Hell, I'm firmly in camp Apple and I still know the phone (Pixel 6), laptop (XPS 13) and smartwatch (Galaxy Watch 4) I'd likely buy if I had to make the jump. I just wish you'd have a cool-headed, rational approach to Apple; right now, you don't.

Thank you for the reasonable explanation. And thanks for keeping the opinion people out.

[PCTechBoi]

On 12/22/2021 at 12:20 AM, huilun02 said:

So are you going to get what you want, or what someone else wants?

What I want, why?