How much performace is lost, i paired a i79700 with a ex b365m-v5 motherboard

[220VoltsallCore]

https://www.asus.com/Motherboards-Components/Motherboards/All-series/EX-B365M-V5/

[Zmimgo]

???

 

Please expand your question

[220VoltsallCore]

1 minute ago, Zongohihello said:

???

 

Please expand your question

my freind said this board causes bottleneck to the processor

[SlashedM]

We cant strictly tell you how much performance you lost. 

 

But it may not be much performance lost considering that for the most part, besides VRMs, most motherboards will be performing the same, in gaming anyways. And with a 9700, if its not a K, it works perfectly fine with a B series board, as the biggest perf difference between newer B and Z series boards is Overclocking. 

 

VRMs maybe limiting how much power gets to the processor, especially knowing this board doesnt have heatsinks for them, but for the most part it should be fine and barely lose much, if at all

[Zmimgo]

Do you already have it? The power delivery should be good enough, and if you already have it you can test it.

[220VoltsallCore]

1 minute ago, Zongohihello said:

Do you already have it? The power delivery should be good enough, and if you already have it you can test it.

yes my rig, how can i test when i ran msi kombustor and it turbo was 3.7 ghz

[220VoltsallCore]

3 minutes ago, SlashedM said:

We cant strictly tell you how much performance you lost. 

 

But it may not be much performance lost considering that for the most part, besides VRMs, most motherboards will be performing the same, in gaming anyways. And with a 9700, if its not a K, it works perfectly fine with a B series board, as the biggest perf difference between newer B and Z series boards is Overclocking. 

 

VRMs maybe limiting how much power gets to the processor, but for the most part it should be fine and barely lose much. 

a small loss is ok, thanks

[Zmimgo]

Just now, RapidTurtle said:

yes my rig, how can i test when i ran msi kombustor and it turbo was 3.7 ghz

Run a performance test, like Cinebench R23 (for like 10 minutes, not a single run). What cooler do you have?

[220VoltsallCore]

not k

[220VoltsallCore]

Just now, Zongohihello said:

Run a performance test, like Cinebench R23 (for like 10 minutes, not a single run). What cooler do you have?

cooler master 410r

[Zmimgo]

6 minutes ago, RapidTurtle said:

cooler master 410r

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Run a performance test, like Cinebench R23 (for like 10 minutes, not a single run).

Then compare the score to other i7-9700 scores on the web

[220VoltsallCore]

24 minutes ago, Zongohihello said:

Then compare the score to other i7-9700 scores on the web

 

[220VoltsallCore]

@Paul Ruddwhere can i compare scores

[Paul Rudd]

7 hours ago, RapidTurtle said:

where can i compare scores

Seems your score is lower than what it should be and what your friend and @SlashedM are talking about is that the motherboard doesn't allow you to get your CPU clocked to around its max turbo speed, which is 4.7 GHz.

 

First thing you need to do is see what your CPU is clocked to in your BIOS. That board most likely has no chance to achieve 4.7 GHz but it should get over 3.0 GHz. The trick is to simply keep thermals in check and the speed you achieve is good to go. 100 degrees is its max operating temp so ideally you want your temps anywhere in the 70's and allowing it to creep somewhere into the 80's on long stress tests. Once it reaches 90's, that means your clock speed should be bumped down a tad and you're good to go.

 

Before manually clocking your CPU, it's a good idea to update your BIOS to the latest version(what version are you on?). This is totally optional but it can improve stability. Also, it's a great idea to get your RAM to around its advertised speed as well via XMP in your BIOS. Do this after the BIOS update as well.

[220VoltsallCore]

13 hours ago, Paul Rudd said:

Seems your score is lower than what it should be and what your friend and @SlashedM are talking about is that the motherboard doesn't allow you to get your CPU clocked to around its max turbo speed, which is 4.7 GHz.

 

First thing you need to do is see what your CPU is clocked to in your BIOS. That board most likely has no chance to achieve 4.7 GHz but it should get over 3.0 GHz. The trick is to simply keep thermals in check and the speed you achieve is good to go. 100 degrees is its max operating temp so ideally you want your temps anywhere in the 70's and allowing it to creep somewhere into the 80's on long stress tests. Once it reaches 90's, that means your clock speed should be bumped down a tad and you're good to go.

 

Before manually clocking your CPU, it's a good idea to update your BIOS to the latest version(what version are you on?). This is totally optional but it can improve stability. Also, it's a great idea to get your RAM to around its advertised speed as well via XMP in your BIOS. Do this after the BIOS update as well.

it gets to 4.4ghz when i give 1 thread and 3.6 when i give 8 thread, i bought a cm 410r temps never crossed 65 even for long stress runs, xmp is on 2666 mhz.

[Paul Rudd]

10 hours ago, RapidTurtle said:

xmp is on 2666 mhz

You're all set on RAM.

10 hours ago, RapidTurtle said:

3.6 when i give 8 thread, i bought a cm 410r temps never crossed 65 even for long stress runs

If you're at 65 degrees then you can bump that 3.6 GHz up a little bit. Try 3.8 GHz during a stress test. Then 3.9, 4.0, 4.1, etc, etc. I'd personally bump it up until it reaches into the 80's temps. Remember that 100 degrees is perfectly safe so the 80's would be ideal, the 90's would be for the daring.

 

For example, my max CPU operating temp is just 71 degrees so I have my temps in the mid 50's for the most part and in some really high demanding games(and long stress tests), the temps will enter into the low 60's, but they never go above 61, 62. That 9-10 degree buffer zone has served my CPU very well since 2016.

 

So you basically want your CPU in the low to mid 80's during long stress tests and you should be good to go for years. I'd like to know the GHz interval you achieve too. My guess is around 3.9 to 4.1 GHz but only your testing will tell.

 

Also, make sure your Windows power plan is set to balanced and set the minimum and maximum processor states to 5% and 100%. This will keep your CPU nice and cool while in Windows and not playing games and when you do play games the CPU will clock to the manual speed that you find from the overclocking process I mentioned above. And when you're in Windows doing things, the CPU will clock up from 5% speed to whatever it needs as you do things.

 

Another option is to make sure you turn off turbo boost. Do this the moment you go in to your BIOS and manually overclock your CPU. What this will do is clock your CPU to the manual GHz that you achieve while gaming. Which is a good thing because then it will not only maximize performance, your CPU will literally stay at that manual clock speed the entire time you're gaming. Which from my experience, is perfect for stability. This one thing right here is one major reason a gaming experience is virtually stutter-free.

[220VoltsallCore]

13 hours ago, Paul Rudd said:

You're all set on RAM.

If you're at 65 degrees then you can bump that 3.6 GHz up a little bit. Try 3.8 GHz during a stress test. Then 3.9, 4.0, 4.1, etc, etc. I'd personally bump it up until it reaches into the 80's temps. Remember that 100 degrees is perfectly safe so the 80's would be ideal, the 90's would be for the daring.

 

For example, my max CPU operating temp is just 71 degrees so I have my temps in the mid 50's for the most part and in some really high demanding games(and long stress tests), the temps will enter into the low 60's, but they never go above 61, 62. That 9-10 degree buffer zone has served my CPU very well since 2016.

 

So you basically want your CPU in the low to mid 80's during long stress tests and you should be good to go for years. I'd like to know the GHz interval you achieve too. My guess is around 3.9 to 4.1 GHz but only your testing will tell.

 

Also, make sure your Windows power plan is set to balanced and set the minimum and maximum processor states to 5% and 100%. This will keep your CPU nice and cool while in Windows and not playing games and when you do play games the CPU will clock to the manual speed that you find from the overclocking process I mentioned above. And when you're in Windows doing things, the CPU will clock up from 5% speed to whatever it needs as you do things.

 

Another option is to make sure you turn off turbo boost. Do this the moment you go in to your BIOS and manually overclock your CPU. What this will do is clock your CPU to the manual GHz that you achieve while gaming. Which is a good thing because then it will not only maximize performance, your CPU will literally stay at that manual clock speed the entire time you're gaming. Which from my experience, is perfect for stability. This one thing right here is one major reason a gaming experience is virtually stutter-free.

when i checked cpu power consupmption in msi it shows 65 watts, so i assume the mobo is giving enough power, can i overclock this cpu with this board its not z series, i cant find overclock option

[SavageNeo]

2 hours ago, RapidTurtle said:

when i checked cpu power consupmption in msi it shows 65 watts

You are assuming wrong. your motherboard has a power limit somewhere. 

i7 9700 should consume over 120-140w. 

 

You can try to go to bios and disable the power limit if you can find it. if not then there is nothing you can really do except undervolt so you can  get lower power usage and better clock speeds

[220VoltsallCore]

1 hour ago, SavageNeo said:

You are assuming wrong. your motherboard has a power limit somewhere. 

i7 9700 should consume over 120-140w. 

 

You can try to go to bios and disable the power limit if you can find it. if not then there is nothing you can really do except undervolt so you can  get lower power usage and better clock speeds

TDP 65 watt so i thought so, i will check in bios

[220VoltsallCore]

bios settings:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Zbc8gt0YNrU6bZaQc-2Gv7my1cLJepUC/view?usp=sharing

[220VoltsallCore]

1 hour ago, RapidTurtle said:

bios settings:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Zbc8gt0YNrU6bZaQc-2Gv7my1cLJepUC/view?usp=sharing

wrong video

[220VoltsallCore]

bios settings

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Zbc8gt0YNrU6bZaQc-2Gv7my1cLJepUC/view?usp=sharing

[Paul Rudd]

On 7/8/2021 at 1:05 AM, RapidTurtle said:

can i overclock this cpu with this board its not z series, i cant find overclock option

1. Under Advanced, disable Turbo boost.
2. Under Main, try clicking on CPU speed(3000 MHz) to manually change it to 3100 MHz, then hit enter.
3. Exit, save changes and restart PC.
4. Stress test using basic Cinebench test and post result screenshot.

[220VoltsallCore]

10 hours ago, Paul Rudd said:

1. Under Advanced, disable Turbo boost.
2. Under Main, try clicking on CPU speed(3000 MHz) to manually change it to 3100 MHz, then hit enter.
3. Exit, save changes and restart PC.
4. Stress test using basic Cinebench test and post result screenshot.

disabled turbo boost and restarted but the cpu speed option is greyed out always, the power consumption 65 watts is delivered enough by the board the right?

[Paul Rudd]

12 hours ago, RapidTurtle said:

disabled turbo boost and restarted but the cpu speed option is greyed out always

Apparently this board doesn't support overclocking. So you'll want to enable turbo boost.

12 hours ago, RapidTurtle said:

the power consumption 65 watts is delivered enough by the board the right?

Yes, that's enough.

 

If you can, see what your CPU clocks to while playing a high demanding game. If it clocks to your turbo boost speed of 4.7 GHz, you are good to go.