First PC Ryzen or Intel

[galelightfoot]

This will be my first pc build I need to upgrade from my old aurora r5 (gift for college 2015).

I put together an AMD and Intel build that I think are good with newegg's pc-builder i just don't know which one would be better or if anything needs to be change.

Budget (including currency): $800-$900 USD 

Country: US, Florida

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: This will be a gaming computer

Other details: for hardware i already own I'll be using my 1070 out of my current rig and a 4tb Seagate barracuda hdd.

 

• CPU : AMD RYZEN 7 3700X 8-Core 3.6 GHz $309.99
• Motherboard : GIGABYTE X570 AORUS ELITE WIFI $219.99
• SSD : WD SN750 500GB $69.99
• GPU :  1070 (already own)
• Case : Antec Dark League DF600 FLUX $69.99
• PSU : SeaSonic S12II 80+ Bronze 620w $56.99
• RAM : G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 16GB 3200 $88.99
• HDD : 4tb Seagate (already own) 
• CPU  Cooler : Cooler Master Hyper 212 Black Edition $39.99
• Total $855.93

 

• CPU: Intel Core i5-10600k 6-core 4.1 GHz $222.99
• Motherboard: MSI MPG z490 $220.99
• SSD: WD SN750 500GB $69.99
• GPU: 1070 (already own)
• Case: Corsair icue  220T RGB Airflow $114.99
• PSU: EVGA Supernova 80 plus gold 550W $64.99
• RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 16GB 3200 $88.99
• HDD: 4tb Seagate (already own) 
• CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Black Edition $39.99
• Total: $822.93

[Bombastinator]

You can cut the hyper212 from the ryzen build and get away with it.  The thing doesn’t effectively OC for much so the stock cooler is usable, and a 3700x comes with one.
also there are or at least used to be cheaper motherboards available. That gpu will kick everything down to pcie3 anyway so you won’t get much extra out of an x570 mobo. Maybe even b450? That’s $100 off.

 

I personally like the AMD more because I think 8/16 is a shurer thing than 6/12 atm.  Covid is making that more questionable but I think a slower 8/16 may have more legs than a faster 6/12.  That concept is pretty controversial though.  There are those that disagree. 

Edited May 11, 2021 by Bombastinator

[dean_5234]

consider an 11600k, z590,  p360a build

[Bombastinator]

5 minutes ago, davemc said:

consider an 11600k, z590,  p360a build

11700f with a non z motherboard, slower memory (because non z motherboard often have memory ceilings anyway) and stock cooler (because it won’t OC) would yield a faster machine than either of the original 2 for less money.  Might even get below $800.

[Boyohan]

2 hours ago, galelightfoot said:

This will be my first pc build I need to upgrade from my old aurora r5 (gift for college 2015).

I put together an AMD and Intel build that I think are good with newegg's pc-builder i just don't know which one would be better or if anything needs to be change.

Budget (including currency): $800-$900 USD 

Country: US, Florida

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: This will be a gaming computer

Other details: for hardware i already own I'll be using my 1070 out of my current rig and a 4tb Seagate barracuda hdd.

 

There isn't really any point in buying Ryzen 3000 series CPUs, especially when building a gaming PC. 

And 6 cores is more than enough for a gaming PC so you don't need Ryzen 7 or i7 CPUs. 

 

The best price/performance in gaming CPUs these days are 11400F / 11600K. 

Ryzen 5600x/5800x/5900x are of course the very best but they are also more expensive. 

 

Performance difference between 5600x and 11600K is very small and 5600x is about $50-70 more expensive. 

11600K should be paired with a Z590 board so you can get some decent overclocks. 

 

11400F is a great budget CPU as it is both cheaper and faster than Ryzen 3600. 

Intel has now unlocked higher memory speeds (XMP) with B560 boards which significantly helps performance compared to previous gen. 

Old gen 10400F/B460 was limited to 2666mhz. 

 

Your "old" GTX 1070 is still a decent GPU and should be fine for a couple of years with 1080p gaming. 

[Bombastinator]

2 hours ago, Boyohan said:

There isn't really any point in buying Ryzen 3000 series CPUs, especially when building a gaming PC. 

And 6 cores is more than enough for a gaming PC so you don't need Ryzen 7 or i7 CPUs. 

 

The best price/performance in gaming CPUs these days are 11400F / 11600K. 

Ryzen 5600x/5800x/5900x are of course the very best but they are also more expensive. 

 

Performance difference between 5600x and 11600K is very small and 5600x is about $50-70 more expensive. 

11600K should be paired with a Z590 board so you can get some decent overclocks. 

 

11400F is a great budget CPU as it is both cheaper and faster than Ryzen 3600. 

Intel has now unlocked higher memory speeds (XMP) with B560 boards which significantly helps performance compared to previous gen. 

Old gen 10400F/B460 was limited to 2666mhz. 

 

Your "old" GTX 1070 is still a decent GPU and should be fine for a couple of years with 1080p gaming. 

There is in that they’re good enough to game on. 6/12 is more than good enough right now.  The only thing that gives me pause is that the consoles are not real fast 8/16.  There hasn’t been any games out yet that leverages every ounce of that cpu but there could be.   These days most of the stuff out was written to run on even slower 6/6, which is why  fast 4/8 still works but just as fast 4/4 can have problems. Whether faster 6/12 is better than less fast 8/16 is a question that hasn’t been treated yet. All things being equal I suspect that 8/16 has potentially longer legs than 6/12. It is, as I said, controversial.  It’s attempting to predict the behavior of stuff that hasn’t been released yet.  

Edited May 11, 2021 by Bombastinator

[BahnStormer]

Lucky! having that GTX1070 is going to save you a ton of cash!!

 

X570 is overkill on the Ryzen motherboard - a B450 ASRock will be $80 and plenty for your needs - should be fine for a 3700X now and a 5800X upgrade later.... theoretically even a 5950X, but I'd be worried about VRM load by then... B550 will get you PCIe gen 4 and better VRM's and probably still ~$100. B550 preferred, IF the price is sensible.

 

Check your memory is CL16.

 

3700X is a solid CPU, won't be THE best for FPS, but a great mid-point for the next couple of years: 8 cores is nice for background CPU load, streaming, etc... and a good platform for a cheap upgrade in a few years!

 

If you're considering Intel, the 11400F is far better value and still a good CPU, but you'll need to pay a lot more for the B560 boards, so it still balances out in favour of the 3rd/5th gen Ryzens as even the "old" B450 has a far better upgrade path.