what should I choose between a GTX 1650 or a RX580

[PlayerLoler]

Im looking to build this pc:

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CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor  (€207.16 @ PC Componentes)
Motherboard: Gigabyte B450M DS3H V2 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  (€74.90 @ PCDIGA)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  (€79.90 @ PCDIGA)
Storage: Western Digital Blue 500 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  (€52.90 @ PCDIGA)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (€56.28 @ PC Componentes)
Video Card: Zotac GeForce GTX 1650 G5 4 GB GAMING OC Video Card
Case: Fractal Design Focus G Mini MicroATX Mini Tower Case  (€49.90 @ PCDIGA)
Power Supply: Gigabyte P-B 650 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  (€59.90 @ PCDIGA)
Total: €580.94
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but im still confused between this Zotac GTX 1650 OC 4GB and this Sapphire Radeon RX 580 NITRO+ 4GB OC W/BP
what is the best between these since im thinking of doing light streaming, video editing, im thinking about getting VR in a few years and Im thinking to have this GPU until RTX is for a good price

[Levent]

If you plan on doing any kind of media production, nvidia, without a question is better. I also would prefer newer hardware any day of the week. I didnt bother checking benchmarks for you but if I was in your situation I would have gone with GTX1650 without a single doubt.

[Henry0161]

1 minute ago, Levent said:

If you plan on doing any kind of media production, nvidia, without a question is better. I also would prefer newer hardware any day of the week. I didnt bother checking benchmarks for you but if I was in your situation I would have gone with GTX1650 without a single doubt.

No the rx580 wins in everything the 1650 is pretty useless

[DeadnightWarrior]

Basically, for pure gaming the RX580 is hands down the better choice. A 1650 SUPER would be very close in performance but the base 1650 is definitely behind.
On the other hand, If you are doing any kind of video editing the 1650 would be better.

I would summarize as follows:
- RX580 pros: faster in gaming

- RX580 cons: less power efficient, older generation, less performance in content creation.

- GTX1650 pros: newer, more power efficient, better suited for content creation

- GTX1650 cons: slower in gaming

[PlayerLoler]

3 minutes ago, DeadnightWarrior said:

Basically, for pure gaming the RX580 is hands down the better choice. A 1650 SUPER would be very close in performance but the base 1650 is definitely behind.
On the other hand, If you are doing any kind of video editing the 1650 would be better.

I would summarize as follows:
- RX580 pros: faster in gaming

- RX580 cons: less power efficient, older generation, less performance in content creation.

- GTX1650 pros: newer, more power efficient, better suited for content creation

- GTX1650 cons: slower in gaming

video editing is a hobby for me so I do it at least once a month so maybe should I get the RX580?

[DeadnightWarrior]

3 minutes ago, PlayerLoler said:

video editing is a hobby for me so I do it at least once a month so maybe should I get the RX580?

I do have a 4Gb RX580 and I'm quite happy with it, at 1080p it still holds its own. I wouldn't dare playing Cyberpunk 2077 on it but still it's a solid card if you don't have "extreme" gaming in mind.

[PlayerLoler]

7 minutes ago, DeadnightWarrior said:

I do have a 4Gb RX580 and I'm quite happy with it, at 1080p it still holds its own. I wouldn't dare playing Cyberpunk 2077 on it but still it's a solid card if you don't have "extreme" gaming in mind.

I have a friend that also has one and he runs everything quite well so thats from there that I question between the 1650 and 580

 

[Levent]

37 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:

The 1650 is slower than a 570...

In gaming yes.

[Levent]

1 minute ago, valdyrgramr said:

Any non-synth benches/actual real world benching on the matter?   

I know of the pros of using Nvidia and AMD cards in different pro scenarios, but I haven't checked between the two to validate your claim or not.

Depends. If all you want to do is gaming probably not. If you are also a programmer and would love to delve into CUDA, yes. If you also edit videos, you would benefit from better HW encoder and decoder especially when compared to how shit AMDs drivers and encode/decode solutions are. 

[Levent]

1 minute ago, valdyrgramr said:

Well, AMD's "virtual" solutions actually have gotten better. The problem for AMD isn't really the drivers, or even their current render engine/old version was ass, but more how they designed the cards after the VII. However, it's plausible that CUDA could give the 1650 the win, but aren't we kinda assuming that?   You said you didn't check benches, and I haven't really checked any real world ones on the matter as 9/10 times synth benches are bs.

Lol, nope. Check the forums for which drivers people have the most issues with, I guarantee you AMD graphics drivers are STILL absolutely the worst out there, even worse than intel. Considering CUDA is an Nvidia solution, that is not an assumption that is for sure. OpenCL can be beneficial for AMD but it hasnt been that great when it comes to consumer or prosumer software rollout. I prefer repeatable benchmarks over bullshit variable benchmarks, synthetic benchmarks are not bullshit, they are just not comparable with other use cases like comparing encoding perfomance to gaming performance or gaming to CUDA performance.

[Levent]

 

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   18 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:

   My problem with synh benches over a verified test is that they've been faked even by AMD/Intel/Nvidia and "the coders" for the sake of marketing.   

   1. I'm not as trusting of them due to that reason. Why would I trust Linus in pro scenarios he has no experience in while all he's doing is running a synth bench and assuming accuracy.
   2. Shouldn't I trust a guy who actually knows how to use 3D modeling sw, and compares multiple cards in real time while actually showing me there's no other hardware difference?   
   3. I mean if the makers of the parts are known for lying, and the companies who make the sw are known for lying then why should I trust them?   There's no logic behind trusting them when they've all been caught lying. 
   4. Also, having a thread on driver issues doesn't automatically mean the driver is at fault.   You're not factoring in user error, or the mass amount of bugs on both sides that both companies list in their reports. You're simply going off a single factor.   
   5. You don't even verify, you've literally stated you didn't check any benches to back your claims, and make assumptions to back your claims.  So, citation needed. 
   6.  All you've done is make bold claims, so please prove to me that the 1650, with real world benches from credible sources is actually superior.   I never said it couldn't be, but you're kinda fanboying hard here.

I am not sure what you are on but you are clearly not thinking straight.

1-) It is up to you to decide who to trust, everyone decides that with their own personal experience.

2-) Sure, again my first point applies here. Although I am not a professional and I did benefit from switching to a Nvidia platform with Fusion 360 and Video capture and editing, that is from my own experience, if you lack your own then it is up to you to decide who to trust.

3-) Everyone lies, > my first point applies here also.

4-) Bruh... Its not like Nvidia cards are only limited to very experienced users, same people who buy AMD cards can also buy nvidia cards and they do, its funny how they just dont have "user error" on their part. This whole point does not make sense or valid. Oh did I also mention that I used AMD graphics from 2008 to 2020. Yeah, I am going off a "single factor".

5-) What is there to verify? I didnt say one card is better, in fact YOU DID. I just said, I prefer newer cards over old ones and if you were to do any sort of media production Nvidia is a better choice. Also here, a VERIFICATION for that statement.

6-) Go get sobered up, I NEVER said 1650 is the upmost superior card here, I am not the one who is fanboying here. Nvidia card in this case will be a better card if gaming and video production the equal parts of the workload.

 

If you want to take this further DM me when you sober up. I am done trying to get my point to you in someone elses thread.

[PlayerLoler]

3 minutes ago, Levent said:

 

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I am not sure what you are on but you are clearly not thinking straight.

1-) It is up to you to decide who to trust, everyone decides that with their own personal experience.

2-) Sure, again my first point applies here. Although I am not a professional and I did benefit from switching to a Nvidia platform with Fusion 360 and Video capture and editing, that is from my own experience, if you lack your own then it up to you to decide who to trust.

3-) Everyone lies, > my first point applies here also.

4-) Bruh... Its not like Nvidia cards are only limited to very experienced users, same people who buy AMD cards can also buy nvidia cards and they do, its funny how they just dont have "user error" on their part. This whole point does not make sense or valid. Oh did I also mentioned that I used AMD graphics from 2008 to 2020. Yeah, I am going off a "single factor".

5-) What is there to verify? I didnt say one card is better, in fact YOU DID. I just said, I prefer newer cards over old ones and if you were to do any sort of media production Nvidia is a better choice. Also here, a VERIFICATION for that statement.

6-) Go get sobered up, I NEVER said 1650 is the upmost superior card here, I am not the one who is fanboying here. Nvidia card in this case will be a better card if gaming and video production the equal parts of the workload.

 

If you want to take this further DM me when you sober up. I am done trying to get my point to you in someone elses thread.

so if I wanna make some streams and edit videos at least once a month should I get the Nvidia or get a small performance penalty on the AMD?

[Levent]

1 minute ago, PlayerLoler said:

so if I wanna make some streams and edit videos at least once a month should I get the Nvidia or get a small performance penalty on the AMD?

Depends on what you prioritize and what card is cheaper imo. 

[PlayerLoler]

1 minute ago, Levent said:

Depends on what you prioritize and what card is cheaper imo. 

right now with my current setup ( i7-7500U 2.7GHz, Gerforce 920m 2gb, 12 RAM) im gaming more, in video editing I only get bottlenecked if im adding too much text or some effects in resolve and streaming is impossible beecause even streaming osu! it lags o twitch

[Levent]

1 minute ago, PlayerLoler said:

right now with my current setup ( i7-7500U 2.7GHz, Gerforce 920m 2gb, 12 RAM) im gaming more, in video editing I only get bottlenecked if im adding too much text or some effects in resolve and streaming is impossible beecause even streaming osu! it lags o twitch

Setting up a streaming setup with AMD can be a little bit more work but it can be done. If gaming is the top priority, get the RX580 (again, as long as you arent paying a huge premium for it).

[PlayerLoler]

1 minute ago, Levent said:

Setting up a streaming setup with AMD can be a little bit more work but it can be done. If gaming is the top priority, get the RX580 (again, as long as you arent paying a huge premium for it).

is around 150~170€ expensive for one?

[Levent]

4 minutes ago, PlayerLoler said:

is around 150~170€ expensive for one?

Nope, compared to the price of that 1650.

[PlayerLoler]

42 minutes ago, Levent said:

Nope, compared to the price of that 1650.

 

38 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:

I mean in general yes, but if you factor in scalping thanks to the shortage, "eh?"

 

As for your original question.   The 580 is better in gaming, for VR vram can help too, and for editing it honestly depends on the SW you're using.  If you're using Adobe's sw then the 1650 would benefit more, but apparently Vegas prefers either.  Personally, I'd get the 580 especially since you game more and if you're not using Adobe's sw then it's perfectly fine for editing.

k thx for the help