Overclocking gone wrong pls help!!

[David Persaud]

So recently I got myself a aio cpu cooler so I can start overclocking. I had a stable clock with my ryzen 5 3600 at 4.3 ghz I downloaded ryzen master to see if that’s any better then doing it in the bios and then  I tried doing the same clock I used in the bios. All the sudden my pc crashed and brought up the American Megatrends screen saying my pc is unstable and then brought me to the bios. After a few hours of reverting settings and stuff I tried turning on something called oc tuner and my pc booted. But even if I use the same exact settings the tuner gave me but on manual pc won’t boot. I tried uninstalling ryzen master to that didn’t work. I can’t even make my ram higher than 2133 or else it won’t boot. I honestly am so lost and need help please.

[Tristerin]

Pull CMOS battery for 1 minute (or use jumper if your board has one) to completely reset BIOS.  

 

I havent used, and dont intend to ever use Ryzen Master for overclocking, maybe Ill try it out one day, but for now if you are BIOS overclocking, dont also apply software overclocks I am assuming at the same time.

[Princess Luna]

3 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

Pull CMOS battery for 1 minute (or use jumper if your board has one) to completely reset BIOS. 

I was going to advise on the same thing, resetting the BIOS is the way to go here but remove the battery? Nowadays all motherboards have jumpers

[Tristerin]

Just now, Princess Luna said:

I was going to advise on the same thing, resetting the BIOS is the way to go here but remove the battery? Nowadays all motherboards have jumpers

Im old lol only time I dont go straight for the battery is when its covered by the GPU lol

[Vishera]

22 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

Pull CMOS battery for 1 minute (or use jumper if your board has one) to completely reset BIOS.  

 

Yep,i was about to suggest the same thing.

Anyway from my experience Ryzen Master is very buggy,and it was behaving weird.

I checked it out of curiosity,I will continue overclocking my CPUs from the BIOS.

[David Persaud]

30 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

Pull CMOS battery for 1 minute (or use jumper if your board has one) to completely reset BIOS.  

 

I havent used, and dont intend to ever use Ryzen Master for overclocking, maybe Ill try it out one day, but for now if you are BIOS overclocking, dont also apply software overclocks I am assuming at the same time.

I took cmos battery out for about 2 minutes and that didn’t work its still the same issue

[Tristerin]

Just now, David Persaud said:

I took cmos battery out for about 2 minutes and that didn’t work its still the same issue

So you have no software overclocking on the OS side, you have reset BIOS, and now you cannot what exactly:

 

Get into BIOS?

Set RAM to XMP/DOCP profile?

Boot into Windows?

[David Persaud]

22 minutes ago, Vishera said:

Yep,i was about to suggest the same thing.

Anyway from my experience Ryzen Master is very buggy,and it was behaving weird.

I checked it out of curiosity,I will continue overclocking my CPUs from the BIOS.

I pulled battery for 2mins and it didn’t reset the bios...

[David Persaud]

6 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

So you have no software overclocking on the OS side, you have reset BIOS, and now you cannot what exactly:

 

Get into BIOS?

Set RAM to XMP/DOCP profile?

Boot into Windows?

The bios did reset but I tried booting with all reset and guess what it’s still unstable and yes no os 

[Tristerin]

11 minutes ago, David Persaud said:

The bios did reset but I tried booting with all reset and guess what it’s still unstable and yes no os 

What slots are your RAM in physically on the mobo?

 

So you can get into BIOS but OS will not boot, it boot cycles until you get the system boot failure notification?  When its trying to get into the OS does it boot cycle at all?  Or just 1 try and done?

[David Persaud]

13 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

What slots are your RAM in physically on the mobo?

 

So you can get into BIOS but OS will not boot, it boot cycles until you get the system boot failure notification?  When its trying to get into the OS does it boot cycle at all?  Or just 1 try and done?

So with all settings reset I got to boot after it boot cycling windows automatically diagnosed and restarted. Yes it boot cycles then it gives the unstable message. But still whenever I try turning on docp or change cpu auto to anything else it will boot cycle then show unstable message. My ram is in A2 and B2 slots

[David Persaud]

I’m officially lost in task manager it says it has clock of 4.00 ghz even tho everything is default

[Tristerin]

15 minutes ago, David Persaud said:

I’m officially lost in task manager it says it has clock of 4.00 ghz even tho everything is default

Boot cycling is typical when there is a RAM compatibility issue.  It will cycle up to 3 times to find suitable timings and frequency it can boot with - if unable to find in 3 cycles it gives you the stability error you have seen (same with OCing a CPU).

 

If it were me, at minimum, I would guarantee that every software overclocking present on my system was removed.  And if that didnt fix the issue, Id reinstall Windows.  Id have to eliminate the BIOS as an issue (reset) then would be a software reset to eliminate that the software is causing the issue.  If both of those occur, we have a hardware issue if the issues still persist.

[David Persaud]

17 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

Boot cycling is typical when there is a RAM compatibility issue.  It will cycle up to 3 times to find suitable timings and frequency it can boot with - if unable to find in 3 cycles it gives you the stability error you have seen (same with OCing a CPU).

 

If it were me, at minimum, I would guarantee that every software overclocking present on my system was removed.  And if that didnt fix the issue, Id reinstall Windows.  Id have to eliminate the BIOS as an issue (reset) then would be a software reset to eliminate that the software is causing the issue.  If both of those occur, we have a hardware issue if the issues still persist.

Yeah it was cycling 3 time so what do you suggest I make the ram timings? I have ripjaw 3600 MHz ram. And how would reinstalling windows help? Also does CPU-Z count as an oc software? 

[Tristerin]

34 minutes ago, David Persaud said:

Yeah it was cycling 3 time so what do you suggest I make the ram timings? I have ripjaw 3600 MHz ram. And how would reinstalling windows help? Also does CPU-Z count as an oc software? 

What motherboard?

 

Lets start there (mobo), its easy for me to reinstall (which would eliminate any bloat software I added that may be causing the issue) and why I suggest it.

 

There could be any outliers also causing this - like mount pressure issue on CPU, TIM on the pins causing cpu memory controller issues (potentially the issue because thats one of the factors that changed - the cooler).

[David Persaud]

3 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

What motherboard?

 

Lets start there (mobo), its easy for me to reinstall (which would eliminate any bloat software I added that may be causing the issue) and why I suggest it.

 

There could be any outliers also causing this - like mount pressure issue on CPU, TIM on the pins causing cpu memory controller issues (potentially the issue because thats one of the factors that changed - the cooler).

I have a X570-P and it’s been about a week of having this cooler and no problems. 

[Tristerin]

3 minutes ago, David Persaud said:

I have a X570-P and it’s been about a week of having this cooler and no problems. 

Understood - compatibility wise, Ryzen 5000 series is 3200mhz CPU memory controller threshold.  Beyond that is considered overclocking and not technically required to be stable - though the silicon is typically good and can just auto to 3600mhz no problem.  Boards threshold is 5100mhz.

 

CPU wasnt having issues until the software overclock occured.  (just going through the problem list)

 

2 things I would try next - set XMP/DCOP in bios, and then manually change the frequency to 3200mhz.  Stable?

 

If no

 

Can you do a Windows restore to prior to when you did a software overclock (rather than a reinstall).

[narrdarr]

Did you unplug the system before removing the battery? I also found the power cycling the system without the power cable and battery can be useful when clearing cmos.

[David Persaud]

1 minute ago, narrdarr said:

Did you unplug the system before removing the battery? I also found the power cycling the system without the power cable and battery can be useful when clearing cmos.

25 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

Understood - compatibility wise, Ryzen 5000 series is 3200mhz CPU memory controller threshold.  Beyond that is considered overclocking and not technically required to be stable - though the silicon is typically good and can just auto to 3600mhz no problem.  Boards threshold is 5100mhz.

 

CPU wasnt having issues until the software overclock occured.  (just going through the problem list)

 

2 things I would try next - set XMP/DCOP in bios, and then manually change the frequency to 3200mhz.  Stable?

 

If no

 

Can you do a Windows restore to prior to when you did a software overclock (rather than a reinstall).

Ok so unfortunately with docp enabled and 3200 it was unstable. So how do I go about doing a windows restore?

[Tristerin]

6 minutes ago, David Persaud said:

 

Search box, type recovery

open system restore

pick restore point prior to any software manipulations

restore

 

Hope for the best 

 

You can also wait for others more versed than I to chime in.  This is a very odd issue given the information on the table.

[David Persaud]

13 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

Search box, type recovery

open system restore

pick restore point prior to any software manipulations

restore

 

Hope for the best 

 

You can also wait for others more versed than I to chime in.  This is a very odd issue given the information on the table.

Will this wipe my data and stuff?

[Tristerin]

1 minute ago, David Persaud said:

Will this wipe my data and stuff?

Google System Restore Windows 10 for all the details - no not all your data exactly, but any software and system changes that occurred over that time to the previous restore point.  I highly suggest looking into it (for your own benefit as well) before doing it.

 

If it were me, I have this option, I would save all my data wherever else and then do a full system wipe with new OS - if this isnt an option then a system restore is - and always have file backups if they are important, anyways

[Mark Kaine]

4 hours ago, Tristerin said:

Pull CMOS battery for 1 minute (or use jumper if your board has one) to completely reset BIOS.  

for my bord I need to remove the battery for *10* minutes. 

 

8 minutes doesn't cut it. 

 

Also "pressing the power button for 20 seconds to discharge capacitors" is a myth and does not work, I got away with *9 minutes* but 10 is generally better. 

 

 

Also learned this by using the POS software that is Ryzen Master btw which will reliably hard lock my PC - even if I don't change any settings lol... 

 

Just saying 1 minute is way too short to reliably discharge a motherboard, even if it may (mysteriously) work for you. : P

[Tristerin]

2 minutes ago, Mark Kaine said:

for my bord I need to remove the battery for *10* minutes. 

 

8 minutes doesn't cut it. 

 

Also "pressing the power button for 20 seconds to discharge capacitors" is a myth and does not work, I got away with *9 minutes* but 10 is generally better. 

 

 

Also learned this by using the POS software that is Ryzen Master btw which will reliably hard lock my PC - even if I don't change any settings lol... 

 

Just saying 1 minute is way too short to reliably discharge a motherboard, even if it may (mysteriously) work for you. : P

Its 30 seconds, I say 1 minute to double that time.

 

Google it, but hey, if x570 needs more time then its good info to have.  (or whatever mystery boards can hold power that long)

 

Its not a mystery, this is old common knowledge about CMOS.

 

 

[Mark Kaine]

1 minute ago, Tristerin said:

Its 30 seconds, I say 1 minute to double that time.

 

Google it, but hey, if x570 needs more time then its good info to have.

 

Its not a mystery, this is old common knowledge about CMOS.

 

 

well I have a b350 bord... not sure if that matters. 

 

I'm telling you it needs roughly 10 minutes, otherwise it won't clear... very annoying but it is what it is. 

 

I'm also saying this because I see this a lot. 

 

"clear CMOS" 

 

... 

 

"Doesn't work" 

 

Me always thinking "of course it doesn't work you removed the battery not long enough..." 

 

... I mean I get it, it really seems to work for some people but generally capacitors hold a charge much longer than *1 minute* so I don't quite get it I guess...