The Best Gaming Mouse (Theoretically)

[AlexTheGreatish]

With an 8000Hz polling rate the AtomPalm Hydrogen is the best gaming mouse... theoretically. But does an 8000Hz polling rate really matter when at maximum your display can only show 360fps?

 

Learn more about the AtomPalm Hydrogen at https://atompalm.com/

 

Sources: Mouse Guide: https://sensor.fyi/

Blur Busters Mouse Guide: https://lmg.gg/uUD0R

OC Mice past 1000Hz: https://lmg.gg/NLk9D

AtomPalm Switch Paper: https://lmg.gg/7SxUh

 

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[TempestCatto]

Is it weird that whenever I read a post from a staffer, I always read it in their voice?

 

I can't not do that anymore.

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finally, i just need to buy this to lower my latency by 0.000000001 which is DEFINITELY what's holding me back. combo that with a 360hz monitor and it'll drop by 0.000000002!

[Nystemy]

At 1:38 sensor speed is talked about, but the only metric provided is G forces, ie acceleration.
Hate to say it, but an acceleration of X G states nothing about speed.
One G is just 9.82 m/s^2 _{(Ie, with every passing second, we increase the speed with 9.82 m/s on top of what speed we already had.)}

But if we were to lets say rapidly accelerate from 0 m/s to 0.001 m/s (ie, practically not moving) but if we do that in 1ns.
Then we still have an acceleration of 1 000 000 m/s^2 or 100 000 Gs. (Now it is unrealistic to be able to do this. But that is besides the point.)

Now how do optical mice track the surface they are on?

They use a camera, with a field of view that is frankly a couple of mm wide at most.
If this camera has a 2mm wide sensor area, and captures a 1000 frames a second, then it would likely be able to track movements upwards of 1 m/s. Maybe it could reach towards 2 m/s, but for object tracking reasons, this is likely hard. _{(and for everyone thinking that mice hold secret high speed cameras, yes they do, but they have a few hundred pixels of resolution, and are gray scale too... Not to mention fairly poor optics...)}

The camera simply records an image, the microcontroller in the mice then throws in a bit of DSP to check for various scratches, dirt, grime or other stuff on the surface it is on. It memorizes this image, compares it with the next image it captures and checks for an area that matches at least part of the prior image. Then it just looks how far it needed to offset the prior image and that is how far you have moved the mice.

If the second image it captures has no similarities with the prior, then it has no clue how far it has moved nor in what direction it has moved.
unless it uses the dreaded motion blur in the camera to see how much the image seems to be smeared, then it can make an edjucated guess at least. Though, usually smearing due to motion blur is going to hamper its tracking performance, since the microcontroller in most mice/keyboards/etc aren't computing power houses aimed at image recognition. Ie, motion blur can fool it into thinking that it has lost tracking, even if the details it is looking for is still in the frame. This does create an acceleration limit. _{(When the mice is moving, motion blur smears everything in the same way, so tracking stuff is rather easy in that case. Acceleration practically describes the change in the amount and direction of the motion blur.)}

In short, using acceleration for a metric of speed is flawed at best. Unless one has a mice that uses an accelerometer to track movement.

Also, the G305 shown at 1:55 does have an "inches per second" metric for its max speed.

[WhitetailAni]

2 hours ago, TempestCatto said:

Is it weird that whenever I read a post from a staffer, I always read it in their voice?

 

I can't not do that anymore.

I have this weird ability to, once I've heard someone's voice a few times, make them say anything in my head.

I could make Alex say "Lemon book fall off a cliff Windows 97 Africa" if I wanted.

It's really weird.

[TempestCatto]

20 minutes ago, ragnarok0273 said:

I have this weird ability to, once I've heard someone's voice a few times, make them say anything in my head.

I could make Alex say "Lemon book fall off a cliff Windows 97 Africa" if I wanted.

It's really weird.

Yes. Like, I'll have just gotten done watching a video. Doesn't matter who or what. But then I'll go and read something, like a news article or whatever, and I just start reading it in the presenters voice - of whom I just watched. I just sorta do it subconsciously and idk how to stop.

[4qm6fvypvdsro7]

Still waiting for the real deal: mice and keyboards which actually take advantage of USB 3.0's asynchronous mode.

[hApsu]

You know what would be a really cool video ? A testing set up like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swmL1CVHg4I . Honestly we have been stuck with the same sensors of 400 IPS for a while I think only the Razer Viper advertises 750 IPS. We need some hard testing in the sensor industry the mice market is booming so much with little technological innovation so we should push for better tech out of these. The G900 has PMW3366 and is far from perfect but all the new mice have basically the same sensor.

[AlexTheGreatish]

On 12/17/2020 at 1:26 AM, hApsu said:

You know what would be a really cool video ? A testing set up like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swmL1CVHg4I . Honestly we have been stuck with the same sensors of 400 IPS for a while I think only the Razer Viper advertises 750 IPS. We need some hard testing in the sensor industry the mice market is booming so much with little technological innovation so we should push for better tech out of these. The G900 has PMW3366 and is far from perfect but all the new mice have basically the same sensor.

Turns out the world record punch velocity is 43.3mi/h which is 762 IPS, so yeah I guess it's possible to outrun a 400 IPS sensor.  Highly doubt someone will ever do that with a mouse, but we're already getting pretty ridiculous so might as well completely exceed human capabilities.

[WhitetailAni]

3 minutes ago, AlexTheGreatish said:

TI-84 Plus

Not related to this, but what OS is your TI-84 Plus running?
Mine was stuck on 2.53 for a while until I got TI Connect running.