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Budget (including currency): €4000,- to €4500,-

 

Country:

Netherlands


Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for:
3D animation, GPU Rendering, Fluid Simulations, Motion Design (In AE)
 

Parts:

PCPartPicker Part List: https://nl.pcpartpicker.com/list/xz927X

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 5950X (€800.00)

CPU Cooler: NZXT KRAKEN Z73 73.11 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  (€253.85 @ Megekko) 
Thermal Compound: Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut 1 g Thermal Paste  (€13.90 @ Megekko) 
Memory: HyperX Predator - DDR4 // 128 GB: 4 x 32 GB - DIMM 288-PIN - 3600 MHz (€628.00)
Motherboard: Gigabyte X570 AORUS ELITE ATX AM4 Motherboard  (€185.00 @ Alternate) 
Storage: Samsung 860 Evo 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (€125.00 @ Azerty) 
Storage: Samsung 980 Pro 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  (€229.00 @ Paradigit) 
Storage: Samsung 980 Pro 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  (€229.00 @ Paradigit) 
Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 24 GB Founders Edition Video Card  (€1549.00) 
Case: Lian Li O11D XL-X ATX Full Tower Case  (€199.90 @ CD-ROM-LAND) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS PX 850 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (€160.00) 
Case Fan: Noctua S12B redux-1200 PWM 59.1 CFM 120 mm Fan  (€18.10 @ Megekko) 
Case Fan: Noctua S12B redux-1200 PWM 59.1 CFM 120 mm Fan  (€18.10 @ Megekko) 
Case Fan: Noctua S12B redux-1200 PWM 59.1 CFM 120 mm Fan  (€18.10 @ Megekko) 
Case Fan: Noctua S12B redux-1200 PWM 59.1 CFM 120 mm Fan  (€18.10 @ Megekko) 
Case Fan: Noctua S12B redux-1200 PWM 59.1 CFM 120 mm Fan  (€18.10 @ Megekko) 
Case Fan: Noctua S12B redux-1200 PWM 59.1 CFM 120 mm Fan  (€18.10 @ Megekko) 
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Total: €4481.25

 


Notes:
Oke so first of all I know that some of these parts are pretty much impossible to get right now (Like the GP and probably the CPU as well.)
I'm not planning on buying all of this at once, but to buy everything whenever it is available.
A while back I already posted on this forum with some plans on building a new PC. I've gotten some great tips, mostly to wait!
I did and now I'm once again getting ready to build a new PC.

With that out of the way, some info!
I'm building a new PC for work. I'm an animator that works in Houdini, Cinema4D (With Octane renderer) and After effects primarily.
Often the working files are stored on a local NAS, I know it's not the fastest but this way everyone can reach them.
With this in mind I added 3 SSDs:
a 980 Pro for the OS and Software
a 980 Pro for Cashe files.
a 860 Evo for extra storage. (Think download folder and a place to render too before placing it on the NAS)
I choose the amount of RAM because of simulations in Houdini/AE and large scenes in C4D. I'm running 64GB at the moment, but still find myself running out on occasion.
I've heard people say that the case will feel rather empty, which is fine with me. I chose the case mostly because of the hot swappable disk drives in the back.
I've never done any overclocking, but would like to try to do so at least a bit.

A few questions I have right now:
- Are there parts here that are overkill/lacking compared to the rest and will it work together.
- What do you guys think of these case fans? I've also been looking at the noctua nf-a12x25.
- Do you guys think the 3600 Mhz memory will be a noticeable difference over say 3200 Mhz? Seeing as this would about a €120,- difference.
- This €120,- Would be spend on Upgrading the Motherboard to have Wifi / BT, not a necessity but it would definitely be nice to free up some USB slots that are filled with Bluetooth dongles. Sadly the  AORUS ELITE WIFI doesn't seem to be available in the Netherlands. Do you guys have a good alternative for this?
- If not for the Motherboard what else would be a worth while upgrade here.
- Do you guys have some good resources for teaching overclocking, or at least have a place to start?

Any information would be greatly appreciated!
Even if they are things I did not specifically ask for.

Thanks in advance!


Jim

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14 minutes ago, jhzondervan said:

Sadly the  AORUS ELITE WIFI doesn't seem to be available in the Netherlands. Do you guys have a good alternative for this?

Aorus Pro Wifi and MSI x570 Tomahawk has WiFi 6 support, TUF board has WiFi 5

 

16 minutes ago, jhzondervan said:

If not for the Motherboard what else would be a worth while upgrade here.

the questionable fans. Why so many S12B redux fans? Besides my usual rant on why old tech (redux line) is still so expensive, S12B are known for high airflow and low air pressure. Reasonable choice as an exhaust fan, but otherwise it has no place inside a PC case when the fans have to battle airflow restrictors like the radiator, air filter and so on.

 

Should take a higher wattage PSU as well, something like 1200w or higher when high power draw GPUs are so prone to tripping overcurrent protection on PSUs and the fact that this system is so expensive and filled with bling.

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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Better cooler imo, and also a lot cheaper. Also no need for thermal paste. The one you have is actually liquid metal and is a pain to apply anyway. Better off with Kryonaut if you want some paste.

 

The X570 Tomahawk as mentioned is solid and has wifi 6.

 

The WD Blue is cheaper for the SATA drive, and the Corsair MP600 is a cheaper Gen 4 alternative.

 

You would be fine with an 850W psu if running at stock. The RMi is a quality unit.

 

The Arctic P12 fans are much better value for money. 

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU Cooler: ARCTIC LIQUID FREEZER II 360 56.3 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  (€112.95 @ Azerty) 
Motherboard: MSI MAG X570 TOMAHAWK WIFI ATX AM4 Motherboard  (€219.95 @ Megekko) 
Storage: Western Digital Blue 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (€107.00 @ Azerty) 
Storage: Corsair MP600 Force Series Gen4 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  (€189.00 @ Azerty) 
Storage: Corsair MP600 Force Series Gen4 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  (€189.00 @ Azerty) 
Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 24 GB Founders Edition Video Card  (€1549.00) 
Case: Lian Li O11D XL-X ATX Full Tower Case  (€199.90 @ CD-ROM-LAND) 
Power Supply: Corsair RMi 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (€213.95 @ CD-ROM-LAND) 
Case Fan: ARCTIC P12 56.3 CFM 120 mm Fan  (€11.90 @ Megekko) 
Case Fan: ARCTIC P12 PST 56.3 CFM 120 mm Fans 5-Pack  (€40.32 @ Azerty) 
Custom: AMD Ryzen 9 5950X (€800.00)
Custom: HyperX Predator - DDR4 // 128 GB: 4 x 32 GB - DIMM 288-PIN - 3600 MHz (€628.00)
Total: €4260.97
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-10-29 22:40 CET+0100

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17 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

the questionable fans. Why so many S12B redux fans? Besides my usual rant on why old tech (redux line) is still so expensive, S12B are known for high airflow and low air pressure. Reasonable choice as an exhaust fan, but otherwise it has no place inside a PC case when the fans have to battle airflow restrictors like the radiator, air filter and so on.

right? actual noctuas are just a few bucks more, and arctic p12s would be probably better than the old s12b's while being much cheaper

 

@jhzondervan i'm thinking something like this:

PCPartPicker Part List
Type Item Price
CPU Cooler NZXT KRAKEN Z73 73.11 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler €253.85 @ Megekko
Thermal Compound Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut 1g 1 g Thermal Paste €10.22 @ Azerty
Motherboard MSI MAG X570 TOMAHAWK WIFI ATX AM4 Motherboard €219.95 @ Megekko
Storage Samsung 980 Pro 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive €229.00 @ Paradigit
Storage ADATA XPG SX8200 Pro 2 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive €243.85 @ Megekko
Video Card NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 24 GB Founders Edition Video Card €1549.00
Case Lian Li O11D XL-X ATX Full Tower Case €199.90 @ CD-ROM-LAND
Power Supply Corsair HX Platinum 1000 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply €219.00 @ CD-ROM-LAND
Case Fan Noctua F12 PWM chromax.black.swap 54.97 CFM 120 mm Fan €22.90 @ Paradigit
Case Fan Noctua F12 PWM chromax.black.swap 54.97 CFM 120 mm Fan €22.90 @ Paradigit
Case Fan Noctua F12 PWM chromax.black.swap 54.97 CFM 120 mm Fan €22.90 @ Paradigit
Case Fan Noctua F12 PWM chromax.black.swap 54.97 CFM 120 mm Fan €22.90 @ Paradigit
Case Fan Noctua F12 PWM chromax.black.swap 54.97 CFM 120 mm Fan €22.90 @ Paradigit
Case Fan Noctua F12 PWM chromax.black.swap 54.97 CFM 120 mm Fan €22.90 @ Paradigit
Custom HyperX Predator 128GB 3600MHz DDR4 CL18 DIMM (Kit of 4) XMP HX436C18PB3K4/128, Black €628.00
Custom AMD Ryzen 9 5950X €800.00
  Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts  
  Total €4490.17
  Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-10-29 23:21 CET+0100  

going for a non pcie 4.0 second drive (sx8200 pro) gets you under €4500

topics i need help on:

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my "oops i bought intel right before zen 3 releases" build

CPU: Ryzen 5 3600 (placeholder)

GPU: Gigabyte 980ti Xtreme (also placeholder), deshroud w/ generic 1200rpm 120mm fans x2, stock bios 130% power, no voltage offset: +70 core +400 mem 

Memory: 2x16gb GSkill Trident Z RGB 3600C16, 14-15-30-288@1.45v

Motherboard: Asus ROG Strix X570-E Gaming

Cooler: Noctua NH-D15S w/ white chromax bling
OS Drive: Samsung PM981 1tb (OEM 970 Evo)

Storage Drive: XPG SX8200 Pro 2tb

Backup Storage: Seagate Barracuda Compute 4TB

PSU: Seasonic Prime Ultra Titanium 750W w/ black/white Cablemod extensions
Case: Fractal Design Meshify C Dark (to be replaced with a good case shortly)

basically everything was bought used off of reddit or here, only new component was the case. absolutely nutty deals for some of these parts, ill have to tally it all up once it's "done" :D 

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Thanks a bunch guys!

@Jurrunio
I honestly dont know a lot about fans, I have to admit i just googled "best case fans" haha. What kind of a setup would you recomend here.

@lee32uk
I like the recomendation for the other cooler! Looked into it a bit and the performance seems really good! Have to say that the thing is ugly as *bleep* but hey! It's for at the office so I would say Function > Form.
What is so bad about the liquid metal? I've heard some good stories about it.
I'm not sure about changing the disks as these seem really fast and I do think it will be worth it.
The fans seem nice and cheap! especially since it would bring the total to 9 fans as the 3 fans on the AIO seem to be the same. However I have heared that Noctua fans are quiet a bit more quiet. Do you have any experience with this?

@VeganJoy
Gotcha! s12b are out!
Thanks for the fan sugestions. These noctuas do seem a bit better although they are twice as expensive as the arctics. Do you think this would be worth it?


Overall a lot of solid advice!
- Upgrading the PSU seems like a solid idea, especially since the build wil run high rendering workloads over longer periods of time. 
- The Tomahawk motherboard seems like a solid choise to add the Wifi / BT to the build.
- Interresting that none of you swaped the RAM for something slower to save some money so I would guess this is worth it.
- The case fans I will swap out for sure! as mentioned above I dont know a lot about it.
   Do you guys have any recomendation on fan setup here? I thought of having 3 intake op the side and 3 exhaust on the top with the radiator replacing the stock fans with the
   Noctuas. But maybe its better to leave the stock fans and just add these 3 on the botom? Would love to hear your opinion on this!


Here is an updated spec list based on your feedback! (Not sure how to make it look like yours @VeganJoy, haha)

Thanks again everyone! ❤️



 

PCPartPicker Part List: https://nl.pcpartpicker.com/list/kyjskX
 

CPU Cooler: ARCTIC LIQUID FREEZER II 360 56.3 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  (€112.95 @ Azerty) 
Thermal Compound: Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut 1 g Thermal Paste  (€13.90 @ Megekko) 
Motherboard: MSI MAG X570 TOMAHAWK WIFI ATX AM4 Motherboard  (€219.95 @ Megekko) 
Storage: Samsung 860 Evo 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (€125.00 @ Azerty) 
Storage: Samsung 980 Pro 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  (€229.00 @ Paradigit) 
Storage: Samsung 980 Pro 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  (€229.00 @ Paradigit) 
Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 24 GB Founders Edition Video Card  (€1549.00) 
Case: Lian Li O11D XL-X ATX Full Tower Case  (€199.90 @ CD-ROM-LAND) 
Power Supply: Corsair HX Platinum 1000 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (€219.00 @ CD-ROM-LAND) 
Case Fan: Noctua F12 PWM chromax.black.swap 54.97 CFM 120 mm Fan  (€22.90 @ Paradigit) 
Case Fan: Noctua F12 PWM chromax.black.swap 54.97 CFM 120 mm Fan  (€22.90 @ Paradigit) 
Case Fan: Noctua F12 PWM chromax.black.swap 54.97 CFM 120 mm Fan  (€22.90 @ Paradigit) 
Case Fan: Noctua F12 PWM chromax.black.swap 54.97 CFM 120 mm Fan  (€22.90 @ Paradigit) 
Case Fan: Noctua F12 PWM chromax.black.swap 54.97 CFM 120 mm Fan  (€22.90 @ Paradigit) 
Case Fan: Noctua F12 PWM chromax.black.swap 54.97 CFM 120 mm Fan  (€22.90 @ Paradigit) 
Custom: AMD Ryzen 9 5950X (€800.00)
Custom: HyperX Predator - DDR4 // 128 GB: 4 x 32 GB - DIMM 288-PIN - 3600 MHz (€628.00)
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Total: €4463.10
 

 

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2 hours ago, jhzondervan said:

Thanks a bunch guys!

@lee32uk
I like the recomendation for the other cooler! Looked into it a bit and the performance seems really good! Have to say that the thing is ugly as *bleep* but hey! It's for at the office so I would say Function > Form.
What is so bad about the liquid metal? I've heard some good stories about it.
I'm not sure about changing the disks as these seem really fast and I do think it will be worth it.
The fans seem nice and cheap! especially since it would bring the total to 9 fans as the 3 fans on the AIO seem to be the same. However I have heared that Noctua fans are quiet a bit more quiet. Do you have any experience with this?

 

 

Yeah it is a bit on the plain looking side, but it performs well. The Alphacool Eisbaer LT360 is another example of a 'fugly' but good cooler.

 

You have to be really careful with liquid metal. For starters it is conductive, so if you are unfortunate enough to get it in the socket or on the board etc you have a problem. The stuff can literally fly out of the tube. It is more commonly used when delidding a cpu, as in the video below.

 

I would personally just go with Kryonaut instead, or just use the MX4 if you go with the Arctic cooler.

 

 

The Corsair MP600 is a Gen 4 SSD just the same as the Samsung 980. I doubt you would notice any difference between them.

 

I haven't used either Noctua or Arctic fans, but the P12 are always up there when it comes to price/performance. If you are fine with spending 20+ then the Noctua F12 is a good fan.

 

 

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That video is great! Thanks a lot.

Is MX4 the stuff that you get with the Arctic cooler? I'll have a look on Google, should be able to find it there. Thank you for all the help.

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might as well go for arctic p12 fans to match everything up, noctuas aint what you buy for price to performance lol

topics i need help on:

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my "oops i bought intel right before zen 3 releases" build

CPU: Ryzen 5 3600 (placeholder)

GPU: Gigabyte 980ti Xtreme (also placeholder), deshroud w/ generic 1200rpm 120mm fans x2, stock bios 130% power, no voltage offset: +70 core +400 mem 

Memory: 2x16gb GSkill Trident Z RGB 3600C16, 14-15-30-288@1.45v

Motherboard: Asus ROG Strix X570-E Gaming

Cooler: Noctua NH-D15S w/ white chromax bling
OS Drive: Samsung PM981 1tb (OEM 970 Evo)

Storage Drive: XPG SX8200 Pro 2tb

Backup Storage: Seagate Barracuda Compute 4TB

PSU: Seasonic Prime Ultra Titanium 750W w/ black/white Cablemod extensions
Case: Fractal Design Meshify C Dark (to be replaced with a good case shortly)

basically everything was bought used off of reddit or here, only new component was the case. absolutely nutty deals for some of these parts, ill have to tally it all up once it's "done" :D 

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On 10/30/2020 at 6:46 PM, jhzondervan said:

That video is great! Thanks a lot.

Is MX4 the stuff that you get with the Arctic cooler? I'll have a look on Google, should be able to find it there. Thank you for all the help.

Yes the MX4 comes with the Arctic cooler.

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