Value build - GPU

[Mr. Ghost]

Hey guys, I'm a long time viewer of LTT but this is my first time on the forum. I need your help with a value build. I have chosen the following components:

 

Motherboard - Asus ROG STRIX B550-F

CPU - Ryzen 5 3600XT

RAM - Corsair Vengeance 3000

Power Supply - Corsair RM750

 

I want to go for a 3000 series GPU but I don't have the money now. So, my question is, if I go for the 3000 series GPU will there be any bottle necks? The purpose of this built is primarily gaming and some medium amount of productivity work like photoshop, video editing and some CAD work.

 

So, what do u guys think, should I replace any of the components? If not which 3000 series card goes best with this setup? Is there a better CPU that will improve my productivity with out damaging my gaming experience?

 

Also, What about future upgradability? I'm starting this of as a value build but down the line I want to turn it into the best PC for gaming and productivity. I know it's a tough ask

 

[GoodEnough]

amd's gpu's will be more bang for the buck when they release today on the 28th, that might give you some extra money to get something like a ryzen 5 5600x, and you have to admit, an all amd build is always something thats appealing, also keep in mind a ryzen 5 5600x beats a 10900k in single performance, which is extremely impressive for a $299 processor

[Skiiwee29]

2 minutes ago, GoodEnough said:

amd's gpu's will be more bang for the buck when they release today on the 28th, that might give you some extra money to get something like a ryzen 5 5600x, and you have to admit, an all amd build is always something thats appealing, also keep in mind a ryzen 5 5600x beats a 10900k in single performance, which is extremely impressive for a $299 processor

they're not being released today, just announced officially, similar to there CPUs back on October 5th. They are expected to likely launch in November sometime. 

[Jurrunio]

Unless you live somewhere with weird prices, 3600XT is one of the worst value CPUs among Zen 2 family and B550-F isnt a good.value B550.board either. I think 3700x is still more expensive, so if spending less on the GPU is a significant sacrifice go.with the 3600. As for board, at this point the MSI B550A-Pro and Asus TUF B450 Pro S seem like the best deals as long as you dont go after a certain colour scheme, tho board supply and prices vary greatly between regions so it's much harder to recommend a certain model

 

Memory could be faster, I dont think 3600MHZ CL18 or even CL16 kits would.cost you that much more

 

A build like this could go with a 3080 for gaming in most games, so your bottleneck is more likely your budget

 

Also note that AMD's next gen CPUs and GPUs are coming real soon. They will be overpriced at launch, but when prices settle.it.may make more sense to go for those.instead or at least wait till their release cause further price drops for the.older models.

[GoodEnough]

1 minute ago, Jurrunio said:

Also note that AMD's next gen CPUs and GPUs are coming real soon. They will be overpriced at launch, but when prices settle.it.may make more sense to go for those.instead or at least wait till their release cause further price drops for the.older models.

nobody willingly buys the awful reference cards that amd releases anyway, its all about the sapphire nitro+ aftermarket cards

[dizmo]

I wouldn't get that CPU, just get the regular 3600; the performance isn't worth the extra cost. If you're paying that much, you might as well spend a touch more and get the 5600XT. I'd get 3600mhz RAM, as they're usually not much more. You can upgrade the RAM and GPU, and you'd be able to upgrade to the 5000 series of AMD CPUs. This is the last year for this socket.

 

15 minutes ago, GoodEnough said:

amd's gpu's will be more bang for the buck when they release today on the 28th, that might give you some extra money to get something like a ryzen 5 5600x, and you have to admit, an all amd build is always something thats appealing, also keep in mind a ryzen 5 5600x beats a 10900k in single performance, which is extremely impressive for a $299 processor

Why do you think that? AMD isn't going to undervalue their GPUs. If they do indeed perform as has been leaked, prices will likely be similar to NVidia.

Not sure why you think an all AMD build is always appealing, I'd much rather have an Nvidia GPU. Better driver support, more features.

[GoodEnough]

28 minutes ago, Mr. Ghost said:

Corsair RM750

damn, that psu is almost 3x the price of my lowest of the low quality of a psu i have, which is a $50 750w psu (but hey, it hasnt blown up yet)

[Rym]

4 hours ago, GoodEnough said:

amd's gpu's will be more bang for the buck when they release today on the 28th, that might give you some extra money to get something like a ryzen 5 5600x, and you have to admit, an all amd build is always something thats appealing, also keep in mind a ryzen 5 5600x beats a 10900k in single performance, which is extremely impressive for a $299 processor

That may well be true but there is no real world testing to prove it yet and with the weird CCX design won't some games stutter and have fps drops from that generated latency? A 12 core amd CPU is actually basically a 6 core + 6core cpu.

[Mr. Ghost]

5 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

Unless you live somewhere with weird prices, 3600XT is one of the worst value CPUs among Zen 2 family and B550-F isnt a good.value B550.board either. I think 3700x is still more expensive, so if spending less on the GPU is a significant sacrifice go.with the 3600. As for board, at this point the MSI B550A-Pro and Asus TUF B450 Pro S seem like the best deals as long as you dont go after a certain colour scheme, tho board supply and prices vary greatly between regions so it's much harder to recommend a certain model

 

Memory could be faster, I dont think 3600MHZ CL18 or even CL16 kits would.cost you that much more

 

A build like this could go with a 3080 for gaming in most games, so your bottleneck is more likely your budget

 

Also note that AMD's next gen CPUs and GPUs are coming real soon. They will be overpriced at launch, but when prices settle.it.may make more sense to go for those.instead or at least wait till their release cause further price drops for the.older models.

What your thoughts on Tuf gaming x570 plus. That was the motherboard I considered first. As for the the CPU I'm flexible, I can go for a ryzen 7 3700x, that's not an issue. My main priority is that I want it to be future proof, so PCIe gen4 is a consideration. I know it doesn't give any major advantages for gaming. Another priority is on board Wi-Fi. Another question is, if I go for the 3080 will the power supply be able to handle the voltage spikes.

 

5 hours ago, dizmo said:

I wouldn't get that CPU, just get the regular 3600; the performance isn't worth the extra cost. If you're paying that much, you might as well spend a touch more and get the 5600XT. I'd get 3600mhz RAM, as they're usually not much more. You can upgrade the RAM and GPU, and you'd be able to upgrade to the 5000 series of AMD CPUs. This is the last year for this socket.

 

Why do you think that? AMD isn't going to undervalue their GPUs. If they do indeed perform as has been leaked, prices will likely be similar to NVidia.

Not sure why you think an all AMD build is always appealing, I'd much rather have an Nvidia GPU. Better driver support, more features.

Right now in India the 3600xt is available at a lower price than the 3600

[Mr. Ghost]

5 hours ago, GoodEnough said:

damn, that psu is almost 3x the price of my lowest of the low quality of a psu i have, which is a $50 750w psu (but hey, it hasnt blown up yet)

I'm getting things that r available on discount. Right now it available for 70 usd

[Jurrunio]

1 hour ago, Mr. Ghost said:

What your thoughts on Tuf gaming x570 plus. That was the motherboard I considered first. As for the the CPU I'm flexible, I can go for a ryzen 7 3700x, that's not an issue. My main priority is that I want it to be future proof, so PCIe gen4 is a consideration. I know it doesn't give any major advantages for gaming. Another priority is on board Wi-Fi. Another question is, if I go for the 3080 will the power supply be able to handle the voltage spikes.

That's the board I recommended a lot before B550, cant find a better board for cheaper usually. X570 Tomahawk and X570.Aorus.Elite WiFi are its.closest competitors, with Tomahawk being better for overclocking and Elite runs slightly warmer.

 

Disadvantage for many cheaper X570.boards js they have 1Gb LAN and Wifi 5, while many B550 of the same price offers 2.5Gb LAN and Wifi 6.

 

7 hours ago, GoodEnough said:

nobody willingly buys the awful reference cards that amd releases anyway, its all about the sapphire nitro+ aftermarket cards

While AMD's track record on designing coolers is awful, I wouldnt say that because the same be said on Nvidia until 20 series. AMD even had the advantage of a good PCB design excellent for modifying the cooler yourself, while Nvidia's founders card was the most disgusting PCB design for a high end card for quite some time.

[Mr. Ghost]

4 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

That's the board I recommended a lot before B550, cant find a better board for cheaper usually. X570 Tomahawk and X570.Aorus.Elite WiFi are its.closest competitors, with Tomahawk being better for overclocking and Elite runs slightly warmer.

 

Disadvantage for many cheaper X570.boards js they have 1Gb LAN and Wifi 5, while many B550 of the same price offers 2.5Gb LAN and Wifi 6.

I can live with 2.5Gb LAN and WiFi 6. A good network card costs double as much as getting an on board one. So, for the time being I don't want to do that. Thanks mate.

 

What about the voltage spikes on the 3000 series, do u have any idea about that?

[Jurrunio]

12 minutes ago, Mr. Ghost said:

I can live with 2.5Gb LAN and WiFi 6. A good network card costs double as much as getting an on board one. So, for the time being I don't want to do that. Thanks mate.

live with? you mean "without"?

 

15 minutes ago, Mr. Ghost said:

What about the voltage spikes on the 3000 series, do u have any idea about that?

CPU (AMD Zen 2)? not spike, it just runs higher voltage than what you would normally expect under low overall CPU usage in order to crank more frequency.

[GoodEnough]

7 hours ago, Mr. Ghost said:

I'm getting things that r available on discount. Right now it available for 70 usd

on top of my psu being the most power inefficient psu in existence, my rx 580 over here is pulling 240w, when its only at 1340mhz, but hey, im not the one paying for the electricity bill, so what do i care.

[Mr. Ghost]

12 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

live with? you mean "without"?

Yes

12 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

CPU (AMD Zen 2)? not spike, it just runs higher voltage than what you would normally expect under low overall CPU usage in order to crank more frequency.

I was asking about the spikes on the Nvidia 30 series GPU's. This is what happens when u don't sleep for couple ofddays

[Aereldor]

The absolute best value is usually the xx60 card and the R3 CPUs. You could wait for news on those, esp if you're still saving up.

[Jurrunio]

6 hours ago, Mr. Ghost said:

was asking about the spikes on the Nvidia 30 series GPU's

Nvidia sort of fixed it by lowering GPU boost aggressiveness. Basically, by running GPUs slower, they stop crashing.

[Mr. Ghost]

22 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

Nvidia sort of fixed it by lowering GPU boost aggressiveness. Basically, by running GPUs slower, they stop crashing.

Hmm, thanks.

 

Whats ur though on the Strix x570 E gaming. I know it's out of my price range, but it has everything I want in a motherboard. And if u think it will yield better results I can skip the ssd for no and invest that money on the motherboard. So what do u think, is it good, if not which board is better?

[BTGbullseye]

2 hours ago, Mr. Ghost said:

Hmm, thanks.

 

Whats ur though on the Strix x570 E gaming. I know it's out of my price range, but it has everything I want in a motherboard. And if u think it will yield better results I can skip the ssd for no and invest that money on the motherboard. So what do u think, is it good, if not which board is better?

It's a waste of money really. Get an ASRock X570 Taichi for $30 less, and better features. (all NVMe slots can do PCIe 4.0 x4 speeds, instead of just two of them) Only downsied is giving up the 2.5Gbps LAN that no one in their right mind cares about right now.

[Mr. Ghost]

1 hour ago, BTGbullseye said:

3 hours ago, Mr. Ghost said:

 

It's a waste of money really. Get an ASRock X570 Taichi for $30 less, and better features. (all NVMe slots can do PCIe 4.0 x4 speeds, instead of just two of them) Only downsied is giving up the 2.5Gbps LAN that no one in their right mind cares about right now.

It might be like that where u live, but for me the x570 Taichi is almost 200 usd more than the Strix x570-e.

[Jurrunio]

3 hours ago, Mr. Ghost said:

Hmm, thanks.

 

Whats ur though on the Strix x570 E gaming. I know it's out of my price range, but it has everything I want in a motherboard. And if u think it will yield better results I can skip the ssd for no and invest that money on the motherboard. So what do u think, is it good, if not which board is better?

Anything that the X570-E can do but cheaper boards can't?

[Mr. Ghost]

7 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

Anything that the X570-E can do but cheaper boards can't?

Yeah, the X570-E has 2 PCIe 4 16, onboard USB 3.2 Gen 2, WiFi 6 and 2.5 LAN. I know the last thing is over kill at the moment but i would like to have the option. I would running the board for a min of five years, (i know that is though ask with the rapid pace of the tech evolution) that's why I'm going over kill now. The other board we where looking at was the TUF X570 plus and X570-E is $80 more. and like I said if it is a better board i can forgo the SSD for now and get the SSD later next year. Also, i took a look at the board comparison you shared and the X570-E was in tier S

[BTGbullseye]

10 hours ago, Mr. Ghost said:

It might be like that where u live, but for me the x570 Taichi is almost 200 usd more than the Strix x570-e.

What country?

[Mr. Ghost]

2 hours ago, BTGbullseye said:

What country?

India mate, now there is a sale going and that gives gives me almost $100 off on the Asus. However, even at retail prices the asrock board is $100 more than the asus.

[BTGbullseye]

4 hours ago, Mr. Ghost said:

India mate, now there is a sale going and that gives gives me almost $100 off on the Asus. However, even at retail prices the asrock board is $100 more than the asus.

Well that kinda sucks. You might want to just scale down to an even lower end X570 board, if the features of the ASUS board aren't something you can't live without. There is no reason to do 2.5Gbps networking, as 10Gbps is actually close to the price of 2.5Gbps hardware, and no consumer board has 10Gbps onboard. (I know Linus loves it, but it makes no logical sense from what I can see right now) Also, the only use right now for more than 1Gbps networking is LAN file transfers. (unless you're editing video stored on your home server, not relevant)