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So a question and a discussion starter, I've got a Asus B450-F Mobo, following from Linus' most recent video regarding CPU info does the '450' part of my Mobo make it a 400 series chipset? And such will fit a 5000 Series CPU?

Might be a stupid question but I'm being dense atm and can't find something consice online about it...

 

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Supposedly, in January, you should be able to. 

 

Otherwise it's B550 or X570

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I will not be upgrading. i think these improvements are intel tick tock improvements. i wont be shelling out anymore money for 0.1-2 more ghz clock speeds

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5 minutes ago, eeeee1 said:

I will not be upgrading. i think these improvements are intel tick tock improvements. i wont be shelling out anymore money for 0.1-2 more ghz clock speeds

The clock speed improvement is minuscule but aren't the performance increase from IPC and layout changes not negligible?

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1 minute ago, Fatih19 said:

The clock speed improvement is minuscule but aren't the performance increase from IPC and layout changes not negligible?

didnt read to much into after seeing the pricing and the clock speeds but you are absolutely right. my bad. i was in class at the time of seeing this

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I paid extra for the intel 8086k, overclocked it to 5.1ghz, delidded, lapped, and then called it a day and I still haven't looked back. It gets me over 144hz in all the new games.

I find the argument over getting a more powerful cpu every few years to be silly, if intel doesn't innovate, and amd just caught up, then doesn't that mean my years old CPU is still somehow competitive?

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24 minutes ago, eeeee1 said:

I will not be upgrading. i think these improvements are intel tick tock improvements. i wont be shelling out anymore money for 0.1-2 more ghz clock speeds

The improvements are almost 20% per clock. The clocks don't really matter that much anymore.

If you are on Zen or Zen+ then it makes sense to upgrade if you chase FPS in games but I don't think its worth it to upgrade from Zen2 that much unless you absolutely need to go above 200+FPS in most games and you already got a RTX 3080 class of GPU.

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To answer your question:

 

Yes, Ryzen 5000 series CPU will still be able to fit your B450 motherboard, however, you need to update your BIOS, and depend on your motherboard manufacturer, the BIOS may not be available until next year January.

 

For me, I have Ryzen 5 3600, a Zen 2 processor, and it serve me well. I don't think I'll be upgrading mine any time soon, but should if I want to go to Ryzen 7, maybe I'll consider Ryzen 7 5800X.

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1 hour ago, eeeee1 said:

I will not be upgrading. i think these improvements are intel tick tock improvements. i wont be shelling out anymore money for 0.1-2 more ghz clock speeds

with your gpu would you benefit from a cpu upgrade? Iv got a 5700xt and a 2600 and Im pretty sure my next purchase will be a gpu.

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1 minute ago, foldingNoob said:

with your gpu would you benefit from a cpu upgrade? Iv got a 5700xt and a 2600 and Im pretty sure my next purchase will be a gpu.

you are right but my ryzen 9 3900x will be good for a few years. that is my main point

(am i ashamed that i bought a gpu from bestbuy with their monkey pricing? yeah. yeah i am)

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1 hour ago, ObsessiveGamerHD said:

Might be a stupid question but I'm being dense atm and can't find something consice online about it...

AMD did confirm B450 support but Asus is the one who has to implement it for your board, so check their site when the new processors become available.

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I saw the pricing on the new chips and laughed. Wont be getting $500 out of me for a 8 core 16 thread cpu. I play at 1440p so the difference wont be huge anyways

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2 hours ago, Gohardgrandpa said:

I saw the pricing on the new chips and laughed. Wont be getting $500 out of me for a 8 core 16 thread cpu.

What, a CPU that's on-par with the 10900K too pedestrian for you? (also that's the $450 CPU, not the $550)

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$450 plus tax is damn near $500

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9 hours ago, BTGbullseye said:

What, a CPU that's on-par with the 10900K too pedestrian for you? (also that's the $450 CPU, not the $550)

That's not the issue here. The issue here is that an 8 core 16 thread part launched at 320. This new 8 core costs you 120-130 more. In one and a half year time. Thats too much 

 

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2 hours ago, hollyh88 said:

That's not the issue here. The issue here is that an 8 core 16 thread part launched at 320. This new 8 core costs you 120-130 more. In one and a half year time. Thats too much 

 

So, it doesn't matter that it's on par with the best desktop processor currently available because it has 2 fewer cores? What complete and utter bullshit.

 

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2 hours ago, hollyh88 said:

That's not the issue here. The issue here is that an 8 core 16 thread part launched at 320. This new 8 core costs you 120-130 more. In one and a half year time. Thats too much 

 

That was the R7 3700X though. The R7 3800X was $399 at launch, so it is a $50 increase for the 5800X. If they release a 5700X that will be more likely to be around $379.

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18 minutes ago, lee32uk said:

That was the R7 3700X though. The R7 3800X was $399 at launch, so it is a $50 increase for the 5800X. If they release a 5700X that will be more likely to be around $379.

yeah but as i stated somewhere else too. the 3700x was pretty much comparable with the 3800x. the 3800x was then a useless buy especially at that price. and now they want to charge you even 120 more for an 8 core? in 2020? 

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2 minutes ago, hollyh88 said:

yeah but as i stated somewhere else too. the 3700x was pretty much comparable with the 3800x. the 3800x was then a useless buy especially at that price. and now they want to charge you even 120 more for an 8 core? in 2020? 

There was still a $70 price difference though between the 3700X and 3800X at launch. So if they release a 5700X at some point then it won't be as expensive.

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26 minutes ago, BTGbullseye said:

So, it doesn't matter that it's on par with the best desktop processor currently available because it has 2 fewer cores? What complete and utter bullshit.

 

not at that they dont. because they put it against the 10700k not the 10900k and since amd in their slides said it is on par with the 10700k at 1080p gaming... welll... 
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https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-zen-3-ryzen-5000-announcement-19-percent-ipc-1080p-gaming-lead

so its not going to beat the 10900k.

which funnily enough is replaced by the 10850k. and is currently available foooor.... yep. 450 bucks. now yes you need better cooling and shit like that. but still 450 for an 8 core in 2020? ehh thats a far stretch. 
not worth it. and who the hell even buys this cpu and games at 1080p? everyone i know with these high end parts do not play at 1080p 

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1 minute ago, lee32uk said:

There was still a $70 price difference though between the 3700X and 3800X at launch. So if they release a 5700X at some point then it won't be as expensive.

you sure about that? but whether they will release it or not isnt the point here. the point here is that RIGHT NOW at release on nov 5 the 5800x is the only 8 core you can get. So going by that.. the first 8 core you could get with zen 2 was the 3700x. this is 120-130 more. for only a 19% ipc increase and lets behonest at 1440p? not so much. and who the hell buys an 450 euro cpu when gaming at 1080p anyway? 

so this is kinda a ripoff. i get it. they are king now. however these types of price increases arent good. they are greedy. no inflation bs or yeah they are the best now can save them. people shitted on intel over it. and they can do the same then at amd. 450 for an 8 core is way to high when at zen 2 you had a 12 core for 50 more than that. so value? pretty bad.

 

now.. if the 5700x was also released as an 8 core at around 350-380 and the 5800 was an 10 core at 420-450 now that would be better value BUT IT AINT. 

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1 minute ago, hollyh88 said:

you sure about that? but whether they will release it or not isnt the point here. the point here is that RIGHT NOW at release on nov 5 the 5800x is the only 8 core you can get. So going by that.. the first 8 core you could get with zen 2 was the 3700x. this is 120-130 more. for only a 19% ipc increase and lets behonest at 1440p? not so much. and who the hell buys an 450 euro cpu when gaming at 1080p anyway? 

so this is kinda a ripoff. i get it. they are king now. however these types of price increases arent good. they are greedy. no inflation bs or yeah they are the best now can save them. people shitted on intel over it. and they can do the same then at amd. 450 for an 8 core is way to high when at zen 2 you had a 12 core for 50 more than that. so value? pretty bad.

 

now.. if the 5700x was also released as an 8 core at around 350-380 and the 5800 was an 10 core at 420-450 now that would be better value BUT IT AINT. 

Sure about what ? That the 5700X will be cheaper ?

 

I get what you are saying, but you are missing the point. You are comparing a 3700X against a 5800X. Even if the 3800X wasn't worth the extra $70 which I agree it wasn't, there was still that price difference. The $120 price increase only exists because they haven't announced a 3700X replacement. So if you want to be an early adopter then you will have to pay it. Other option is to wait and see what else they release as I am sure they will launch other variants.

 

If you look at it another way you are paying an extra $50 vs the cost of the 3800X. If they follow Ryzen 3000 pricing then the 5700X will come in at $379.

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If your at 1080p then I get upgrading if you need too. If you have a 3700x or higher at 1440p it's not worth it, Idc what youtuber says you should buy this. It's the last cpu on this platform save your pennies for the next socket

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1 hour ago, Gohardgrandpa said:

It's the last cpu on this platform save your pennies for the next socket

Why? That's at least a year away, and we don't know if it's going to significantly improve performance, or just shift the same performance to the 5nm node with better thermals and power use. (or maybe just more cores, which isn't all that useful for games right now)

 

You're still getting the best performance for a year, and you can sell later to subsidize the replacement. (which very well could be using the DDR5 standard as well)

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1 minute ago, BTGbullseye said:

Why? That's at least a year away, and we don't know if it's going to significantly improve performance, or just shift the same performance to the 5nm node with better thermals and power use. (or maybe just more cores, which isn't all that useful for games right now)

 

You're still getting the best performance for a year, and you can sell later to subsidize the replacement. (which very well could be using the DDR5 standard as well)

More cores should start being a thing with the newer consoles releasing, so if you have a 3700x-3900x there should be no need to upgrade unless your at 1080p or need as high of fps as possible. 
 

Not everyone has disposable income to get the best performance for a year. I could buy one of the newer cpus right now but why would I? The 3800x rtx 3080 combo I have is doing the job just fine. A lot of people buy stuff and use it for years, selling CPU’s is a hassle to some people. 
 

The next socket should be on ddr5, that’s a whole platform upgrade. It can be a big difference or barely any. If it’s barely any then people on ryzen 3000 and 1440p or higher can hang onto their rig for another year and wait for the next release cycle. 
 

I love 1440p for the reason that I don’t have to upgrade my cpu so often. At that res it’s not a crazy difference between Cpus like it is at 1080p. Ryzen 3000 was great, it bridged the gap with intel. Now that amd will be taking the lead (supposedly) let’s see if they get greedy and raise prices. 

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