printing a server

[the gamer that is bad]

i have access trough my school to a massive 3d printer, and i am 3d printing a server similar to the 45 drives storeanator. I have a $500 budget minus the hard drives and it will be used as a file server for me and my friends because we are starting our own company. I do not know what parts to priorities and what you can skip on so any hardware reconditions would be greatly appreciated 

 

[The_russian]

Punctuation my man... anyway is there a question buried in there that I’m missing?

[the gamer that is bad]

sorry i am tired i meant o put in what hardware you you would recommend i buy 

[Blue4130]

17 hours ago, the gamer that is bad said:

i have access trough my school to a massive 3d printer, and i am 3d printing a server similar to the 45 drives storeanator. I have a $500 budget minus the hard drives and it will be used as a file server for me and my friends because we are starting our own company. I do not know what parts to priorities and what you can skip on so any hardware reconditions would be greatly appreciated 

 

What kind of company are you starting? That will narrow down what you need. 

[the gamer that is bad]

we are starting a custom vehicle building company we have law of the machiens and we are going to start a youtube chanel when we start so it will hold part files and store video files and i really don't care how fast it is because it won't be edited off of just stores the files 

[heimdali]

Look for something like this: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Chenbro-RM51924B-Intel-Xeon-E5-2690-2-9-GHz-S2600CP2-5U-24-4-Bay-Server/233666874305?hash=item3667a18bc1:g:cZ8AAOSwWz9fJJP~

 

The LSI/3ware 9750 cards are apparently unable to do JBOD, so you might not want to get them.

 

You basically do not want to skip on anything on what's in above offer.  Are you sure you could print all that?

 

(It's actually a good offer if all the HDD trays are included.)

 

PS: I don't know if your printer can print metal.  There is a couple good reasons why such cases are made of metal ...

 

[the gamer that is bad]

3 hours ago, heimdali said:

Look for something like this: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Chenbro-RM51924B-Intel-Xeon-E5-2690-2-9-GHz-S2600CP2-5U-24-4-Bay-Server/233666874305?hash=item3667a18bc1:g:cZ8AAOSwWz9fJJP~

 

The LSI/3ware 9750 cards are apparently unable to do JBOD, so you might not want to get them.

 

You basically do not want to skip on anything on what's in above offer.  Are you sure you could print all that?

 

(It's actually a good offer if all the HDD trays are included.)

 

PS: I don't know if your printer can print metal.  There is a couple good reasons why such cases are made of metal ...

 

hi thank you the printer cannot print metal but i have no limit to how much material i can use so in my files it is 1/2 an inch thick and i can print p to 20" so it would be printed in 2 parts and we can print as much as we want so my server rack has a metal bottom so it will sit on that instead of being touted on rails 

[the gamer that is bad]

the only thing i need is a system that can handle 45 hard drives on a budget and 3 ssds

[heimdali]

How do you plan on maintaining it when it doesn't have rails?  How are you going to take the case out of the rack if you need to without it breaking into pieces?  Do you really need 45 disks in it?  It's not like these disks are cheap, and considering the cost of the disks, you may be much better off buying from storinator.

 

I don't understand your budget anyway.  What's the point of wasting $500 on printing some case with which nothing fits together.  Even if you get all the hardware you're going to put into it before making the case and measure it and tinker with the drawings for like 3 months after having found out what hardware you can actually use, you're still be running into issues.  Is the material the printer uses even inflammable?

 

If you plan on 16TB Ironwolf pros (I won't buy Seagate, though), those cost $470 each when you buy them on amazon.  That's $21150 for 45 disks, and you're planning on putting them into a not-yet-existing solution which may work or not.  And your budget is $500.  Have you figured out which hardware you're going to use and what it costs?

 

Do you have any idea how difficult it is to get this to work?  Have you considered that some parts you might need may not be available at all for the foreseeable future due to Corona?  Even just EEC RAM is basically not available at all.  Any idea when it will be available again?  Have you figured out how to deal with the vibration of the drives?  It'll probably require a lot of test runs to find out how to do it.  Maybe in a year or two you might get it to work ... (Maybe check out backblaze, I seem to remember there was an open source case design you could use, but I'm not sure if it was for something else.)

 

Why would you insist on wasting $500 on printing a case, lots of time and lots of troubles etc. instead of buying an almost working solution like the one above which will work with a few parts added?  Didn't you want to build vehicles and make videos about that rather than building servers?

 

Of course, it's your money and your time and you can do whatever you like.  Maybe this is a joke   It just doesn't make sense.  If you really want to print a case, start with something small that fits 4 disks and has a chance of getting it to work.

 

[the gamer that is bad]

i am planing on buying 2 more 4 tb nas drives to make 6 drives total and i understand your concerns i just need something with redundancy, and upgradeability but i am on a tight budget with the server and i wanted to use my schools resources because there free for me to use. I tried to make a case out of metal to test the concept with 2 2tb drives but they shook them selves to pieces so i put 2 500 gb ssds in a raid 1 but we are full and i have 4 tb of data that i need to get off my computer but i cannot lose them the reason i want to have one like the 45 drives storeanator. we also go trough storage fast with all our random ideas that we don't want to use that is why i want upgradeability so i can just put another drive in for more storage.

[Maverickfftytwo]

On 10/3/2020 at 10:49 AM, the gamer that is bad said:

we are starting a custom vehicle building company we have law of the machiens and we are going to start a youtube chanel when we start so it will hold part files and store video files and i really don't care how fast it is because it won't be edited off of just stores the files 

If all you're going to do is file storage just buy a pre-built NAS and add hard drives to it, a full blown server is overkill. Something like a Synology DS220j or Western Digital My Cloud with some 6TB NAS drives meets your budget, and can even be upgraded with larger drives or used for more than just a file server down the road if you want. Use in RAID 1 for redundancy if you feel it's required, or use it in RAID 0 with a cloud backup to take full advantage of your 12TB.

 

However, I also don't necessarily see why your data needs to be network accessible if it's simply for storage. For your $500 budget you could buy a pair of 12TB external drives. Back them up to the cloud or to each other, depending on your preference. You could even have one at your house and one at a buddies so that you have off site backup.

[Jarsky]

 

11 hours ago, the gamer that is bad said:

hi thank you the printer cannot print metal but i have no limit to how much material i can use so in my files it is 1/2 an inch thick and i can print p to 20" so it would be printed in 2 parts and we can print as much as we want so my server rack has a metal bottom so it will sit on that instead of being touted on rails 

You might want to consider the fact that a fully loaded 45 drives machine is around 150lb. If you're starting a custom vehicle company assuming you're building from scratch, you'll need to approach this case in the same way, in that you'll need to consider how you construct the chassis for maximum rigidity, and what material; for something like this you'll probably be looking at ABS for its strength as opposed to PLA. 

 

9 hours ago, the gamer that is bad said:

i am planing on buying 2 more 4 tb nas drives to make 6 drives total and i understand your concerns i just need something with redundancy, and upgradeability but i am on a tight budget with the server and i wanted to use my schools resources because there free for me to use. I tried to make a case out of metal to test the concept with 2 2tb drives but they shook them selves to pieces so i put 2 500 gb ssds in a raid 1 but we are full and i have 4 tb of data that i need to get off my computer but i cannot lose them the reason i want to have one like the 45 drives storeanator. we also go trough storage fast with all our random ideas that we don't want to use that is why i want upgradeability so i can just put another drive in for more storage.

If you're going to be adding drives slowly over time, have you chosen a configuration? You'll need to make sure you're using a suitable system for expandability. 

 

 

Also make sure you have a good backup plan to protect your data during expansions, and generally to protect you against catastrophic issues such as crypto attacks, viruses, accidental deletion, and physical threats like power strikes, fire/water damage, and theft. 

 

And keep in mind that doing big storage cheap, is risky business. 

[the gamer that is bad]

10 hours ago, Maverickfftytwo said:

If all you're going to do is file storage just buy a pre-built NAS and add hard drives to it, a full blown server is overkill. Something like a Synology DS220j or Western Digital My Cloud with some 6TB NAS drives meets your budget, and can even be upgraded with larger drives or used for more than just a file server down the road if you want. Use in RAID 1 for redundancy if you feel it's required, or use it in RAID 0 with a cloud backup to take full advantage of your 12TB.

 

However, I also don't necessarily see why your data needs to be network accessible if it's simply for storage. For your $500 budget you could buy a pair of 12TB external drives. Back them up to the cloud or to each other, depending on your preference. You could even have one at your house and one at a buddies so that you have off site backup.

True the server will mostly be used for backups but our shop is off site and i want to keep our server at my house where there is not mice and metal shavings. I have tried buying an external hard drive bay and putting in 4 tb was dries the issue is no one other than me can access the files. The raid 1 was just to test my theory with metal but the hard drives sheik themselves to pieces so i put in 2 500 gb ssds but that only holds our current projects snd it is a pain in the a** to find files on our external hard drives.

[Maverickfftytwo]

7 hours ago, the gamer that is bad said:

True the server will mostly be used for backups but our shop is off site and i want to keep our server at my house where there is not mice and metal shavings. I have tried buying an external hard drive bay and putting in 4 tb was dries the issue is no one other than me can access the files. The raid 1 was just to test my theory with metal but the hard drives sheik themselves to pieces so i put in 2 500 gb ssds but that only holds our current projects snd it is a pain in the a** to find files on our external hard drives.

Then it sounds like a NAS is the best route to go. I can access my Synology NAS from anywhere, and you can even create users and control their access. It's designed for exactly what you want, customer support will be available, and it'll even have a warranty.

 

A full blown server is overkill and you're going to waste a ton of time trying to 3d print one that will work. That's a project you do for fun, not out of necessity.

[the gamer that is bad]

21 minutes ago, Maverickfftytwo said:

Then it sounds like a NAS is the best route to go. I can access my Synology NAS from anywhere, and you can even create users and control their access. It's designed for exactly what you want, customer support will be available, and it'll even have a warranty.

 

A full blown server is overkill and you're going to waste a ton of time trying to 3d print one that will work. That's a project you do for fun, not out of necessity.

thank you i did not know a prebuilt was could be accessed offsite 

[Pixel5]

honestly 3d printing a server is a horrible idea, you would need weeks for the design alone then days to print it and then you would find out you forgot something.

 

You dont need 45 drives especially not in the beginning, you are probably much better off just buying a system from Synology and going with how many drive bays you are comfortable with, i wouldnt go below 4 drivebays probably.

 

Anything can be accessed off site but the question is how fast your internet is so you got good speeds to the system.