RTX 3080 performing as poor as my old GTX 1070 Ti

[Moonzy]

3 minutes ago, GoldMichi said:

great info, thank you so much!

10600k/10700k*

non-K intel chips isnt great

[Mister Woof]

Got some benchmarks coming up for 1080p on my gpu to see if theses much of a difference even on a 5700xt between 4.3ghz vs 5ghz

[GoldMichi]

3 minutes ago, Moonzy said:

10600k/10700k*

non-K intel chips isnt great

alright, added to the list ^^ 

[GoldMichi]

1 minute ago, Mister Woof said:

Got some benchmarks coming up for 1080p on my gpu to see if theses much of a difference even on a 5700xt between 4.3ghz vs 5ghz

would be interesting to see. will you be posting here?

[Mister Woof]

23 minutes ago, GoldMichi said:

would be interesting to see. will you be posting here?

Okay, here's what I got:

1080p, 4.3ghz core, 4.0ghz cache, 5700xt 2124mhz final pstate performance vbios

 

1080p, 5ghz core, 4.7ghz cache, 5700xt 2124mhz final pstate performance vbios

 

In both scenarios, the report seems to indicate the game is still CPU limited, and went from 89% GPU limited to 95% GPU limited without any actual uplift in performance. However, I think this benchmark "GPU Bound" metric is inaccurate, because even with the change in values and the change in CPU frequency, it's still resulting in the same average FPS with only minor uplift in CPU Game FPS and no difference in actual FPS.

 

I'll do this at 720 again in a moment to try to simulate what a 3080 might return.

 

 

Also note that even at 4.3ghz, (stock 8700), my 4.3ghz CPU Render values are way higher than OP's CPU Render values. OP: are you using the stock cooler on the 8700? Are you adhering to power limit in BIOS?

 

[Moonzy]

2 minutes ago, Mister Woof said:

I think this benchmark "GPU Bound" metric is inaccurate, because even with the change in values and the change in CPU frequency, it's still resulting in the same average FPS with only minor uplift in CPU Game FPS and no difference in actual FPS.

Interesting, it's been accurate for me

But take note that AMD GPU usage is very weird, they spike instead of maintaining a certain usage like Nvidia does

So maybe that messes with the way the game calculates GPU bound

[Mister Woof]

Just now, Moonzy said:

Interesting, it's been accurate for me

But take note that AMD GPU usage is very weird, they spike instead of maintaining a certain usage like Nvidia does

So maybe that messes with the way the game calculates GPU bound

Yeah its still strange. If indeed there was a change in GPU headroom from 4.3 to 5ghz, there should have been some net gain.

 

But look at my 4.3ghz CPU Render values. Vs. OP----much higher. I think the OP is running CPU on BIOS trying to adhere to TDP limit.

[HumdrumPenguin]

@GoldMichi You either upgrade your monitor and get a high res (and ideally high refresh rate), or you upgrade your CPU. I'd go the monitor route. It's the upgrade most people don't do, and the one that gives you the biggest overall benefit.

[Mister Woof]

Ok so for fun, here's some 800x600 results.

 

4.3ghz 4.0ghz cache, 5700xt 

5ghz 4.7ghz cache, 5700xt

 

~11% improvement completely GPU unlimited.

 

If this scales linearly (it doesn't, of course), you should expect to lose around 10-15% performance vs a 10600k or 5ghz 8700k with an RTX 3080 at any non-GPU bound resolution.

 

OP: Make sure you're not power limit throttling, and that you are not playing at 800x600 or 1080p.

 

Play at 1440p and you should have an enjoyable experience.

[Moonzy]

3 minutes ago, Mister Woof said:

If this scales linearly (it doesn't, of course), you should expect to lose around 10-15% performance vs a 10600k or 5ghz 8700k with an RTX 3080 at any non-GPU bound resolution.

it's the same fps if you pump up the resolution, but keep GPU bound at 0%

but going lowest to highest preset drops ~10% fps in cpu bound situation (1st comment of the status update)

https://linustechtips.com/main/profile/187465-moonzy/?status=276612&type=status

[Mister Woof]

11 minutes ago, Moonzy said:

it's the same fps if you pump up the resolution, but keep GPU bound at 0%

but going lowest to highest preset drops ~10% fps in cpu bound situation (1st comment of the status update)

https://linustechtips.com/main/profile/187465-moonzy/?status=276612&type=status

Right, just needs to bump up resolution until fully GPU bound - and until he is GPU bound, he would see perhaps a 10-15% difference between a stock 8700 and an overclocked one.

 

 

[Moonzy]

1 minute ago, Mister Woof said:

he would see perhaps a 10-15% difference between a stock 8700 and an overclocked one.

so ~110fps isnt too far off, assuming he doesnt have a fast ram as well

 

edit: op did you enable XMP? can i get a screenshot of task manager's memory tab?

[xg32]

1 hour ago, GoldMichi said:

.

 

comparing the 3600 to a 8700 seems quite close, so when u compare the 3600 to a 10900k, it really is a 30% bottleneck

 

before you upgrade your cpu though, here's the rest of the games. Other games aren't as bad iirc, i would not upgrade monitor just to reduce a cpu bottleneck, make sure the ppi and colors are at least better

 

https://www.tomshardware.com/features/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-ampere-cpu-scaling-benchmarks

 

 

[StarsMars]

3 hours ago, GoldMichi said:

it is. I was just quite disappointed that I'm not seing any improvement over replacing my old card. I'm somewhat of an FPS-whore ^^

Maybe you can find a good deal on a 9700k or 9900k

[GoldMichi]

3 hours ago, Moonzy said:

so ~110fps isnt too far off, assuming he doesnt have a fast ram as well

 

edit: op did you enable XMP? can i get a screenshot of task manager's memory tab?

yes, I enabled it. 3.6 Ghz, 32Gb RAM. I'll send it to you later, since I'm at work rn.

[GoldMichi]

2 hours ago, StarsMars said:

Maybe you can find a good deal on a 9700k or 9900k

I'm definetely on the lookout for some deals

[GoldMichi]

3 hours ago, xg32 said:

 

comparing the 3600 to a 8700 seems quite close, so when u compare the 3600 to a 10900k, it really is a 30% bottleneck

 

before you upgrade your cpu though, here's the rest of the games. Other games aren't as bad iirc, i would not upgrade monitor just to reduce a cpu bottleneck, make sure the ppi and colors are at least better

 

https://www.tomshardware.com/features/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-ampere-cpu-scaling-benchmarks

 

 

Well, the average here for sottr with the ryzen 5 3600 is 40 fps higher than what I get with the i7 8700

[GoldMichi]

4 hours ago, Mister Woof said:

Ok so for fun, here's some 800x600 results.

 

4.3ghz 4.0ghz cache, 5700xt 

5ghz 4.7ghz cache, 5700xt

 

~11% improvement completely GPU unlimited.

 

If this scales linearly (it doesn't, of course), you should expect to lose around 10-15% performance vs a 10600k or 5ghz 8700k with an RTX 3080 at any non-GPU bound resolution.

 

OP: Make sure you're not power limit throttling, and that you are not playing at 800x600 or 1080p.

 

Play at 1440p and you should have an enjoyable experience.

interesting... is there any way to find out, if I'm power limit throttling?

[Moonzy]

1 hour ago, GoldMichi said:

interesting... is there any way to find out, if I'm power limit throttling?

Just stare at your clock speeds while the game is running

[GoldMichi]

1 hour ago, Moonzy said:

Just stare at your clock speeds while the game is running

I'll let you know as soon as I'm home! As well as a screen of my task manager

[Moonzy]

Just now, GoldMichi said:

I'll let you know as soon as I'm home! As well as a screen of my task manager

think you need CPU-Z to measure individual clock speed accurately

[GoldMichi]

Just now, Moonzy said:

think you need CPU-Z to measure individual clock speed accurately

I'm using NZXT cam, which lets me see clockspeed and temps of cpu und gpu. Hope this suffices. 

[Moonzy]

1 minute ago, GoldMichi said:

I'm using NZXT cam, which lets me see clockspeed and temps of cpu und gpu. Hope this suffices. 

mmm it shows general clock speed, but that's a good indication

 

thing to look at is the clock speed throughout the run not just start or end, because intel have a turbo timer or smth and it runs out

[GoldMichi]

2 minutes ago, Moonzy said:

think you need CPU-Z to measure individual clock speed accurately

But I'm pretty certain already, that my cpu is running at max clock speed (around 4.3 Ghz). Gpu sometimes, when under load, at 1.7 Ghz.

[Moonzy]

Just now, GoldMichi said:

Gpu sometimes, when under load, at 1.7 Ghz.

was about to say that it's kind of low, but then i remembered it didnt need to work hard so it probably didnt boosted

 

people are having issues when 3080 is running full tilt now