Ryzen 7 3700x or Ryzen 5 3600/3600x with Rtx3070

[Wantlesssquid68]

So I’m looking to build a pc at around 1.3k, I was wondering if it’s really worth it to get a Ryzen 7 3700x or should I just get a 3600x and save some money and overclock it? Also does anyone know of any good motherboards with WiFi for those processors? Also what do you guys think about WiFi cards? Are they really worth it or should I get a usb WiFi adapter? This will be my first full build as i have a pc now that I’ve just replaced a couple parts from the original prebuilt. Thank you for your time! 

[Haro]

If you're mainly gaming, the 3600 performs similarly as games do not really scale up to 8 cores. or you could go with the 10600k which is more than enough for gaming. 

as for a board. 

Budget for a board? or budget for the whole build? and currency and location? 

[Dedayog]

3600 for a budget-ish build, or 10600K for a bit more oomph.  The 3700x isn't really needed atm, a faster 8core will be out when 8 cores are used more mainstream.

 

 

 

[Moonzy]

27 minutes ago, Wantlesssquid68 said:

I get a usb WiFi adapter?

noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo you shouldnt

 

i've had 3, now i only have 2

1 burnt out under sustained load, and the other 2 will overheat and disconnect if you do 20mbps for pro-long period (few minute) on them. this is not isolated case, many people have the same experience

 

get a wifi card or one built into motherboard.

 

29 minutes ago, Wantlesssquid68 said:

I was wondering if it’s really worth it to get a Ryzen 7 3700x or should I just get a 3600x and save some money and overclock it?

if you can fit a 3700x into your budget, that would be great

for games today, it wont make a difference, but next 3-5 years, who knows.

good to have some headroom if you could afford it.

[Deli]

Wait for Zen 3 in less than 3 weeks.

[Nena Trinity]

3600 if you wanna upgrade later, wanna go all in now 3700x.

[DHV0]

Wait for Zen 3 its coming

[Wantlesssquid68]

20 hours ago, TofuHaroto said:

If you're mainly gaming, the 3600 performs similarly as games do not really scale up to 8 cores. or you could go with the 10600k which is more than enough for gaming. 

as for a board. 

Budget for a board? or budget for the whole build? and currency and location? 

I want a good budget build but also something that looks pretty good. I’m trying to fit everything in and I can’t seem to find a good motherboard under 180 with WiFi and up to 3600mhz ram. If built in Wi-Fi isn’t something I should go for what m.2 card should I get and how do I know if a motherboard supports it? 

[Wantlesssquid68]

20 hours ago, Moonzy said:

noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo you shouldnt

 

i've had 3, now i only have 2

1 burnt out under sustained load, and the other 2 will overheat and disconnect if you do 20mbps for pro-long period (few minute) on them. this is not isolated case, many people have the same experience

 

get a wifi card or one built into motherboard.

 

if you can fit a 3700x into your budget, that would be great

for games today, it wont make a difference, but next 3-5 years, who knows.

good to have some headroom if you could afford it.

Thanks for the help on that, Have you tried out m.2 wifi cards? Also do you know a way of knowing if a motherboard can support wifi? I'm still deciding weather i want to get a 3600x or 3700x,  id get the 3600x because of the inflation of the 3600 price and the 3600x is about 14 dollars more. i'd probably do some overclocking on the 3600x so id need a cooler but if i got the 3700x i wouldnt really oc. just as the 3070 is kinda restricted by the 3600 and i dont want any of my performance going down the drain. 

[Wantlesssquid68]

20 hours ago, Deli said:

Wait for Zen 3 in less than 3 weeks.

Yeah i've been waiting for the 3000 series and the zen 3, i'm just going to wait until black friday or wait for good deals to pop up and ill start buying parts

 

[Deli]

Just now, Wantlesssquid68 said:

Yeah i've been waiting for the 3000 series and the zen 3, i'm just going to wait until black friday or wait for good deals to pop up and ill start buying parts

 

Zen 3 is 4000 series.

[Wantlesssquid68]

Thanks everyone. I'm going to probably get a 3700x when zen 3 launches. also a 3070. any motherboard suggestions? b450 or b550 under 150? how do you tell if a motherboard has m.2 wifi also? whats a good 750/850 watt psu? 

[Wantlesssquid68]

2 minutes ago, Deli said:

Zen 3 is 4000 series.

yeah i was talking about the nvidia 3000 series

 

[Moonzy]

3 minutes ago, Wantlesssquid68 said:

Have you tried out m.2 wifi cards?

nope, unfortunately

i just bought a long LAN cable and dealt with it

 

3 minutes ago, Wantlesssquid68 said:

Also do you know a way of knowing if a motherboard can support wifi?

it'll be listed as a feature if it it has it, on the product page

but some board will have "wifi" in their name

 

or you can look for the 2 round golden connectors on the rear IO that's for wifi antennas

 

5 minutes ago, Wantlesssquid68 said:

I'm still deciding weather i want to get a 3600x or 3700x, 

depends on what you do and what's your budget

what game and what resolution?

if it's 1080p high refresh rate gaming, consider intel too (10600k or 10700k)

if it's 1440p/4k, AMD ryzen or intel are both fine, depending on pricing

intel does edge out in games, but not by much in 1440p/4k

 

personally would get a 3700x if price isnt too far off, 2 extra cores can be useful if you wanna do more things in the future, or if games gets more demanding.

 

as for cooler, 3600 and 3700x both come with an "ok" cooler, could make do for the time being

 

also, wait for zen 3 and look at benchmarks before deciding, it's literally 2 weeks away from announcement

[Wantlesssquid68]

2 minutes ago, Moonzy said:

nope, unfortunately

i just bought a long LAN cable and dealt with it

 

it'll be listed as a feature if it it has it, on the product page

but some board will have "wifi" in their name

 

or you can look for the 2 round golden connectors on the rear IO that's for wifi antennas

 

depends on what you do and what's your budget

what game and what resolution?

if it's 1080p high refresh rate gaming, consider intel too (10600k or 10700k)

if it's 1440p/4k, AMD ryzen or intel are both fine, depending on pricing

intel does edge out in games, but not by much in 1440p/4k

 

personally would get a 3700x if price isnt too far off, 2 extra cores can be useful if you wanna do more things in the future, or if games gets more demanding.

 

as for cooler, 3600 and 3700x both come with an "ok" cooler, could make do for the time being

 

also, wait for zen 3 and look at benchmarks before deciding, it's literally 2 weeks away from announcement

so with the motherboards that have the wifi antennas do they come with the motherboard? im waiting for zen 3 also before i do this build. my budget is something like 1.4k i dont really like intel because of some bad experiances ive had in the past with overclocking, i just feel like they are to much money and that ryzen would just be better. i usually play some pretty demanding games like battlefield and rainbow six and a bunch of other comp shooter games. also my dad likes to play flight sim so i thought i could try to get a cpu that can handle it. i also am going to stream with this new pc because mine isnt quite capeable of steaming well. ill probably buy an intel m.2 wifi card 

[Moonzy]

Just now, Wantlesssquid68 said:

with the motherboards that have the wifi antennas do they come with the motherboard?

yes

or else, go smack them in their head lol

 

1 minute ago, Wantlesssquid68 said:

games like battlefield and rainbow six and a bunch of other comp shooter games

honestly, consider intel for this

look at benchmarks

 

1 minute ago, Wantlesssquid68 said:

also my dad likes to play flight sim so i thought i could try to get a cpu that can handle it.

yea intel runs flight sim better

 

2 minutes ago, Wantlesssquid68 said:

i also am going to stream with this new pc because mine isnt quite capeable of steaming well

you can use nvenc to stream, close to no system performance hit

 

2 minutes ago, Wantlesssquid68 said:

ill probably buy an intel m.2 wifi card 

m.2 wifi cards need antenna too, but sometimes they dont come with one, so do take note

 

3 minutes ago, Wantlesssquid68 said:

i dont really like intel because of some bad experiances ive had in the past with overclocking

funny, because i had reverse experience

where overclocking my 3900x makes me contemplating of going back to intel

 

here's a video you can watch

 

[Haro]

1 hour ago, Wantlesssquid68 said:

find a good motherboard under 180 with WiFi

well for b550: 

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PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
Motherboard	MSI MPG B550 GAMING EDGE WIFI ATX AM4 Motherboard	$179.99 @ Amazon
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$179.99
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PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
Motherboard	Asus TUF GAMING B550M-PLUS (WI-FI) Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	$179.99 @ Amazon
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$179.99
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PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
Motherboard	MSI B550M PRO-VDH WIFI Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	$109.99 @ Newegg
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$109.99
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-09-22 12:02 EDT-0400

 

Or the B550 mortar wifi if you can find one.

Just general good boards with/without wifi..

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PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
Motherboard	MSI MAG B550 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard	$179.99 @ Amazon
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$179.99
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-09-22 12:05 EDT-0400

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
Motherboard	Gigabyte B550 AORUS PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard	$169.99 @ B&H
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$169.99
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-09-22 12:05 EDT-0400

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
Motherboard	MSI B550-A PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard	$139.99 @ B&H
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$139.99
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-09-22 12:05 EDT-0400

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
Motherboard	Asus ROG STRIX B550-F GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard	$189.49 @ B&H
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$189.49
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-09-22 12:06 EDT-0400

 

As said, you can go with a 10600k, if so te z490 a pro is a nice budget option, or the z490 gaming edge wifi, or the aorus elite or the tomahawk or the vision  G. 

[maizenblue]

It depends on how long u plan on keeping your CPU before u upgrade and how much streaming and multitasking you do. If plan on upgrading in a couple years then a 3600x or 10600k should be ok for a strictly gaming rig. If you plan on stretching it out further I would go 3700x because the new consoles cpus have 8 cores and 16 threads, so its a sure bet game devs will be making games that take advantage of those.

 

If games begin to take advantage of those cores and threads, and why wouldnt they, then a 3600x and 10600k will be at a disadvantage a year or two down the road. With regards to CPU's I always go big and splurge a little because a CPU can last a long time if you future proof it, so why waste money on frequent upgrades. Id still be using my 4790k up until zen 3 came out if my mobo didnt have issues, so I went with a 3700x. 

[Wantlesssquid68]

On 9/22/2020 at 12:07 PM, TofuHaroto said:

well for b550: 

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PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
Motherboard	MSI MPG B550 GAMING EDGE WIFI ATX AM4 Motherboard	$179.99 @ Amazon
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$179.99
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-09-22 12:02 EDT-0400

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
Motherboard	Asus TUF GAMING B550M-PLUS (WI-FI) Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	$179.99 @ Amazon
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$179.99
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-09-22 12:02 EDT-0400

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
Motherboard	MSI B550M PRO-VDH WIFI Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	$109.99 @ Newegg
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$109.99
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-09-22 12:02 EDT-0400

 

Or the B550 mortar wifi if you can find one.

Just general good boards with/without wifi..

  Reveal hidden contents

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
Motherboard	MSI MAG B550 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard	$179.99 @ Amazon
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$179.99
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-09-22 12:05 EDT-0400

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
Motherboard	Gigabyte B550 AORUS PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard	$169.99 @ B&H
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$169.99
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-09-22 12:05 EDT-0400

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
Motherboard	MSI B550-A PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard	$139.99 @ B&H
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$139.99
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-09-22 12:05 EDT-0400

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
Motherboard	Asus ROG STRIX B550-F GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard	$189.49 @ B&H
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$189.49
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-09-22 12:06 EDT-0400

 

As said, you can go with a 10600k, if so te z490 a pro is a nice budget option, or the z490 gaming edge wifi, or the aorus elite or the tomahawk or the vision  G. 

Thanks, have you seen if the wifi is good or not yet? I'm trying to get good wifi board because the one i have maxes out at 150mb/s also ill be sticking with ryzen for this build

[Haro]

1 hour ago, Wantlesssquid68 said:

have you seen if the wifi is good or not yet?

I mean, it's just regular.. wifi on these boards.. not sure what you mean by that, speed depends on more than the wifi used in a board, but it's just normal. 

[Wantlesssquid68]

On 9/22/2020 at 12:06 PM, Moonzy said:

yes

or else, go smack them in their head lol

 

honestly, consider intel for this

look at benchmarks

 

yea intel runs flight sim better

 

you can use nvenc to stream, close to no system performance hit

 

m.2 wifi cards need antenna too, but sometimes they dont come with one, so do take note

 

funny, because i had reverse experience

where overclocking my 3900x makes me contemplating of going back to intel

 

here's a video you can watch

Thanks, i also feel as if intel is to expensive too i just feel like amd is what i want to work with and also would just be a better out of the box cpu. 

 

[Wantlesssquid68]

Just now, TofuHaroto said:

I mean, it's just regular.. wifi on these boards.. not sure what you mean by that, speed depends on more than the wifi used in a board, but it's just normal. 

ok, do you have any good wifi extenders you know of also my wifi is pretty bad where i have my pc and i just feel like it would be a smoother experiance than the wifi i have that will even run at up to 120 ping stable, usually at about 50 ping. 

[Haro]

1 hour ago, Wantlesssquid68 said:

do you have any good wifi extenders

I'm sadly not into networking, and have very limited knowledge in it so i can't recommend  anything.