Does this switch exist?

[IAmAFrenchFry]

I have an area in my home where we have a few ethernet devices in close proximity. However, we don’t have 9 all at once. I was looking at the ASUS XG-U2008, but it is pretty expensive. I was wondering if there is a cheaper version of this switch (or something very similar made by another brand) that still has 2 multi-gig and at least 3 or 4 gigabit ports. It can be managed or unmanaged, but I found a refurbished XG-U2008 for $130, so it also must be less than that.

 

Thanks!

[Electronics Wizardy]

your not getting a new multi gig switch for less than that. Multigig stuff justuff just isnt cheap.

 

 

[Oshino Shinobu]

10G RJ45 switches are all pretty expensive, even just ones with a couple of multi-gig ports. 

 

The only other one I'm aware of that's on the cheaper end is the Netgear GS110MX. I got a good deal on a used one recently, so maybe take a look at those. 

[Sir Asvald]

Here is a MikroTik 5 port 10G and it's only SPF+ with a single 1G copper line for $138

 

https://www.amazon.com/MikroTik-CRS305-1G-4S-Gigabit-Ethernet-RouterOS/dp/B07LFKGP1L/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=MikroTik+CRS305-1G-4S%2BIN&qid=1598628796&sr=8-1

[Kisai]

17 minutes ago, IAmAFrenchFry said:

I have an area in my home where we have a few ethernet devices in close proximity. However, we don’t have 9 all at once. I was looking at the ASUS XG-U2008, but it is pretty expensive. I was wondering if there is a cheaper version of this switch (or something very similar made by another brand) that still has 2 multi-gig and at least 3 or 4 gigabit ports. It can be managed or unmanaged, but I found a refurbished XG-U2008 for $130, so it also must be less than that.

 

Thanks!

Just buy any 12-port/16-port Ethernet switch? You can find them for $60 on amazon. All unmanaged switches are pretty much the same. Or buy any switch as an extender to the existing one Like have an 8 port and a 5 port. The key thing to keep in mind that the 10G ports are intended for linking two switches together, or to an upstream connection that is 10G. You aren't supposed to put more 1G devices on it.

[IAmAFrenchFry]

18 minutes ago, Oshino Shinobu said:

10G RJ45 switches are all pretty expensive, even just ones with a couple of multi-gig ports. 

 

The only other one I'm aware of that's on the cheaper end is the Netgear GS110MX. I got a good deal on a used one recently, so maybe take a look at those. 

Thanks for the info, though that switch you recommended is basically the same as what I recommended... which is great because that’s exactly what I’m after!

 

15 minutes ago, Sir Asvald said:

Here is a MikroTik 5 port 10G and it's only SPF+ with a single 1G copper line for $138

 

https://www.amazon.com/MikroTik-CRS305-1G-4S-Gigabit-Ethernet-RouterOS/dp/B07LFKGP1L/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=MikroTik+CRS305-1G-4S%2BIN&qid=1598628796&sr=8-1

Thank you as well, but I don’t think I want to go the SFP+ route with all the adapters and stuff.

[Oshino Shinobu]

1 minute ago, IAmAFrenchFry said:

Thanks for the info, though that switch you recommended is basically the same as what I recommended... which is great because that’s exactly what I’m after!

 

Depending on what you're using it for, an option could be to directly link two devices that need to 10G connection to each other and just have a gigabit switch for everything else. Though that will only work if you just need a single high bandwidth link between two devices and 1G is fine for the others. 

[IAmAFrenchFry]

4 minutes ago, Oshino Shinobu said:

Depending on what you're using it for, an option could be to directly link two devices that need to 10G connection to each other and just have a gigabit switch for everything else.

What do you mean by connect them to each other?

[Oshino Shinobu]

1 minute ago, IAmAFrenchFry said:

What do you mean by connect them to each other?

So if you have two devices with 10G or Multi-gig NICs, you can connect them directly using an ethernet cable and they can be configured to communicate over that high bandwidth link, removing the need for a switch to connect them. 

 

It's a specific use case though. Assuming you want both devices to have access to the rest of the network, you'll need at least 2 ports, including the high bandwidth one so you can use one for the direct device to device connection and the other for device to network connection. 

[Falcon1986]

@IAmAFrenchFry

 

Why do you need >1Gbps per port?

[IAmAFrenchFry]

11 minutes ago, Falcon1986 said:

@IAmAFrenchFry

 

Why do you need >1Gbps per port?

Why should I have to explain myself? Because there is a multi-gig plan in my area.

[Falcon1986]

7 minutes ago, IAmAFrenchFry said:

Why should I have to explain myself? Because there is a multi-gig plan in my area.

For clarification. Not every application for a multi-gig switch is to retain maximal WAN speeds. Most of the time, it's to achieve high internal/LAN speeds, e.g. between a server and NAS.

 

What is the ISP device's LAN output interface for their multi-gig plan?

[Donut417]

26 minutes ago, IAmAFrenchFry said:

Why should I have to explain myself?

Because we need to know use case so we can recommend hardware. Even if you do Multi gig, not every machine might need it. Generally when it comes to 10 Gig gear from what I have seen, most of the switches might have x amount of 10 G ports, then the rest be 1Gbps. Most ISP's dont offer over 1Gbps so for many, there is no reason to consider this unless you need the faster speeds on your internal network for some purpose. 

 

[IAmAFrenchFry]

13 hours ago, Falcon1986 said:

For clarification. Not every application for a multi-gig switch is to retain maximal WAN speeds. Most of the time, it's to achieve high internal/LAN speeds, e.g. between a server and NAS.

 

What is the ISP device's LAN output interface for their multi-gig plan?

What exactly do you mean by this? I know is that I need a switch with at least 2 ports that are ≥ 2.5Gbps and has at least 4 other ≥ 1Gb ports.

 

Also sorry about taking your message too harshly 

[Donut417]

6 minutes ago, IAmAFrenchFry said:

What exactly do you mean by this?

Most people cant get Multi gig internet. So they use multi gig speeds on their internal network. There are applications where you might want faster than 1 Gbps on the internet network. Look at LTT for instance, they edit video right off their server, so they have 10 gig directly to the editing machines. 

[IAmAFrenchFry]

3 minutes ago, Donut417 said:

Most people cant get Multi gig internet. So they use multi gig speeds on their internal network. There are applications where you might want faster than 1 Gbps on the internet network. Look at LTT for instance, they edit video right off their server, so they have 10 gig directly to the editing machines. 

Ok mistake on my part. The thing I didn’t understand was “What is the ISP device’s LAN output interface for their multi-gig plan?”

[Donut417]

Just now, IAmAFrenchFry said:

Ok mistake on my part. The thing I didn’t understand was “What is the ISP device’s LAN output interface for their multi-gig plan?”

Yeah is the ISP using Ethernet or SFP. Keep in mind that Ethernet is not the only networking interface that we have.  Comcast for example when they setup their 2 Gbps Fiber the media converter they use does 1 Gbps on Ethernet or can do all 2 Gbps on SFP. 

[IAmAFrenchFry]

1 hour ago, Donut417 said:

Yeah is the ISP using Ethernet or SFP. Keep in mind that Ethernet is not the only networking interface that we have.  Comcast for example when they setup their 2 Gbps Fiber the media converter they use does 1 Gbps on Ethernet or can do all 2 Gbps on SFP. 

Ah yes that makes sense, but isn’t SFP made to be adapted? Also, the plan is SFP

[Donut417]

1 minute ago, IAmAFrenchFry said:

Ah yes that makes sense, but isn’t SFP made to be adapted? Also, the plan is SFP

You cant plug an Ethernet cable in to that port. You can get converters to do Fiber to Ethernet, BUT the ones I have seen are all 1 Gbps, not sure if 10 Gbps versions exist but Id bet they are going to be hell of expensive if they do. 

 

To my knowledge SFP supports direct attached copper and Fiber, at least slower versions of SFP. Because there is also SFP+ and QSFP for example. SFP is a little outside my wheel house because I have no direct experience in using it. But when it comes to 10 Gbps networking its generally the way to go because its been around a hell of a lot longer than 10 Gbps Ethernet and that means you can find used gear on eBay for pretty reasonable. 

[Lurick]

5 minutes ago, Donut417 said:

You cant plug an Ethernet cable in to that port. You can get converters to do Fiber to Ethernet, BUT the ones I have seen are all 1 Gbps, not sure if 10 Gbps versions exist but Id bet they are going to be hell of expensive if they do. 

 

To my knowledge SFP supports direct attached copper and Fiber, at least slower versions of SFP. Because there is also SFP+ and QSFP for example. SFP is a little outside my wheel house because I have no direct experience in using it. But when it comes to 10 Gbps networking its generally the way to go because its been around a hell of a lot longer than 10 Gbps Ethernet and that means you can find used gear on eBay for pretty reasonable. 

Yah, you can get 10G copper SFPs but they are limited distance usually much lower than the standard and are like $60 a pop from FS.com last I checked.

[eece_ret]

Same vendor fs.com you can grab sfp+ (that + differentiates between 1Gbps (sfp) and 10Gbps (sfp+)), and the fiber you will need.  Something 850nm SR, and a run of OM3 should be very cheap.  Another option would be an AOC cable 2hich is basically a DAC except has fiber between the sfp+ modules instead of copper (coax iirc).  These AOC cables allow for longer spans than their DAC cousins.

 The tricky part is ensuring the sfp+ module is compatible with the chosen switch.  If fs.com is difficult you can also contact Precision Optical Trancievers (precisionot.com) out of New York.  Slightly higher prices, vastly higher quality components.

Follow up questions.  How many multiple gig service.  That covers 2-10, which number is it?

How do you intend to route (NAT)  10G capable routers are not at all cheap.  Even just the hardware for x86 based router (NAT) is going to run about 1500$.

Which ISP and what city (so I can move there