New AMD Centric build

[GuyWhoGamedOnAn2011Laptop]

Budget: (including currency): Would prefer to try and stay within 3-3.5k or up to what the system would be with Big Navi.  Am willing to go above that should the result but substantial enough.  Currency is Freedom Bucks, aka USD.

Country: Uncle Sam's Attic (The USA lol)

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Pretty much any game from the last 15 years plus any game that might be coming in the next 5 years or so, some minor video editing with Sony Vegas Pro, and recording gameplay for Youtube, and broadcasting to Twitch.

Other details: (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc):

My current rig
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/XfoXshoreX/saved/dnFbjX

 

CPU:  G4560T 2.9 GHz Dual-Core
CPU Cooler:  CRYORIG H7 49
Motherboard:  Gigabyte GA-B250M-DS3H
RAM:  Corsair Vengeance LPX 8 GB (1 x 8 GB) DDR4-2400 CL16
Storage:  1 x ADATA SU800 256 GB SSD
                 1 x OEM Seagate ST320LT007 9ZV142 320 GB HDD
GPU:  MSI Radeon RX 580 8 GB ARMOR OC
Case:  Deepcool TESSERACT BF
PSU:  EVGA SuperNOVA G3 550 W 80+ Gold
Case fans:  Cougar Turbine 120

My planned build
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/XfoXshoreX/saved/8gzzNG

 

CPU:  AMD Ryzen 9 3950X 3.5 GHz 16-Core
CPU Cooler:  Cooler Master Hyper 212 Black Edition
Motherboard:  MSI MAG X570 TOMAHAWK 
RAM:  G.Skill Ripjaws V 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600
Storage:  1 x ADATA XPG SX6000 128 GB M.2-2280 NVME SSD (for the OS and other such things that tend to get installed where the OS is, like stuff in AppData)
                 2 x Crucial MX500 2 TB 2.5" SSD (for all the games I currently own plus about 800 GB for future purchases on one and other for videos to be recorded to, stored on, edited and such)
                 1 x Seagate Barracuda 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM HDD (for all the misc stuff I have like pictures, videos, relaxation materials , etc)
GPU:  PowerColor Radeon RX 5700 XT 8 GB Red Devil 
Case:  Corsair 760T
PSU:  Asus 1200 W 80+ Platinum
Optical Drive:  Pioneer BDR-209DBK
Case Fans:  5 x Thermaltake Riing 14
Monitor:  Asus TUF Gaming VG27AQ
Keyboard:  Corsair K70 RGB MK.2 Wired Gaming Keyboard
Mouse:  Logitech G502 HERO Wired Optical Mouse

 

As the title of my PPP list suggests, this build is meant to be a AMD based (GPU and CPU) Black and Red PC.  That list is what I was planning on doing but recently realized the 3950x isn't quite the right fit both performance wise and price for what I want.  Also, I don't expect the 5700 XT will be the final choice for a GPU as Big Navi will probably come out before I purchase and assemble this build, which I hope/expect to do within about the next half a year to a year.  Should Big Navi prove to be a failure however, I want to either stick with the 5700 XT or pick up a 1080 Ti if I can find one for cheap for the "street cred", if you will, as I've read and seen that the 5700 XT and 1080 Ti are pretty evenly matched with the 5700 XT still being cheaper new than many 1080 Tis are used.  While I'd have no problem spending the extra money if the performance difference was vast, say 20 fps on most games, if the performance is pretty even, I'd like to keep my idea of a AMD GPU and CPU system going.  It really depends on what I think/feel when I do get to buying the GPU and if Big Navi fails.  My goal is to be able to run pretty much any game from the last 15 years at the highest settings at 2560x1440 and at 60 FPS at least with 120 being preferred and any that may come out in the next 5 at reduced settings, say 1920x1080 at 60 FPS.  Despite this, I do not want to go with any of the RTX 2000 series as from what I've seen, the 2060 can't fulfill my desired performance, the 2070, 2080 and their Super versions seem to be just 1080 Tis but more expensive and with Ray Tracing, and the 2080 Ti is just far too expensive for the performance/graphical gain I've seen in comparison videos.  Ray tracing seems to be the only major plus to the RTX series but isn't enough to offset the price to me.  It is said to be a feature of Big Navi but should I end up not getting it, I can live my life without Ray Tracing.  For my cooling, I am very solidly set on air cooling.  From what I've seen from guys like Linus, a good air cooler for your CPU is just as good as a AIO water cooler and I'm just not interested in a custom water loop.  My plan for the five case fans is two exhausts on the front, one intake on the back, and two intakes on the top.  That way I achieve positive air flow and can use the front of my PC to warm my hands on a cold day lol

Talking about a few other things, I chose the 760T as my case and the X570 as my motherboard because I've learned what building on a motherboard that's a bit too small and in a case that's probably a tad too small for my fat, fumbling hands, feels like.  That and with working on my original idea of using a 3950x, I found that a X570 was probably the best choice.  Although now that I'm probably going to be using something other than a 3950x, I'd very much prefer to stay on a full sized ATX board atleast, if not the X570.  I saw many reviewers, including Linus, really praised the 760T and I liked its look and many of its features, like 5.25 inch drive bays for my optical drive, versatile drive cages, great cable management space, etc.  I do want to include a optical drive, partly for the hippie creds, but also because I don't really have anyway to play CDs or Blu-Rays, except on my Xbox, and it'd be nice to be able to just pop it into my PC instead of having to rely on using my Xbox, which I usually have on loan to my brother.  Plus I never know when I'll find a game on disc that isn't on Steam that I may want to play.  Another note would be my choice of mouse and keyboard.  I chose the keyboard based on the K70's RGB features and because...well...the clicky sound.  The particular model on my PPP list uses MX Blue keys and from what I've seen, they are the loudest and most clicky sounding keys out there, which would bother most people but doesn't bother me and I want to win the Click War with my brother and his keyboard.  If there is a better keyboard out there that uses MX Cherry Blues and has RGB that you can program modes and profiles for, I'm willing to change on that.  The mouse, well, it's a bit of a blind spot for me.  Even with videos on the subject, I have a hard time telling just what features my mouse should have.  I saw a lot of positive talk of the G502 when trying to figure it out so I went with it but am up to any recommendations.

In relation to my storage, I really messed up with my decision to only buy a single 256 SSD for my current rig in addition to a HDD I got from my old laptop.  I quickly realized that some 500 GB on two drives wasn't going to be enough for all my needs so in this new build, I made sure to plan for plenty of space with multiple drives for multiple things.  With all the games I currently own, plus all those currently on my Steam wishlist, I'm looking at just shy of 1.2 TB of space needed so I had to go for a 2 TB drive to keep all my games in one place, which would be much nicer, and space for future games I might run across or which might release.  A while back I thought of just getting a M.2 SSD for my current system but then realized my entire rig needed replacing/upgrading (too many bad choices made like mobo size and age, case size, etc for me to feel like attempting to upgrade it) so I abandoned the idea.  My current plan is to get a small, fast 128 GB M.2 NVME drive to store my OS and other things that tend to get installed where the OS resides, like various things in AppData, then a 2 TB SSD for my games as I've explained previously, a second one of that drive to store videos that I've recorded or have edited and are ready to upload to Youtube, and finally a 1 TB HDD where I can store all the misc stuff I have, like pictures, non-Youtube videos, relaxation materials , etc.

Finally, I should probably explain why I'm planning this build so far out from building it.  The reason is I don't currently have the financial abilities to buy pretty much anything on this list save minor stuff like the case fans or CPU cooler.  However, I have been pretty well assured that within a month, a job will be opening up that I will almost certainly get should I apply, that will pay enough for me to actually start buying expensive things like I could when I built my current system.  My current rig is leaps and bounds better than the old 2011 laptop I used to use, and from which I got my user name, but it still lags behind what I had hoped it'd be, somewhat due to the CPU that wasn't my original choice but had to buy because I'd been fired (long story) from the job I had when I was putting it together.  Now that tech has advanced a fair bit from what it was at the turn of 2018 into 2019, when I built my current rig, and I've become a bit more knowledgeable on just want kind of hardware I'd need to achieve my desire for a "future-proof" PC, that will let me enjoy all my current games plus any that come in the next 5 years that pique my interest at atleast 1080p and 60 FPS.  "Future-proof" Blegh, I hate that term because the conation it carries isn't quite what I mean but is the closet term I can think of.  I do know that DDR5, PCI-e 5.0, and AM5 will probably be in our hands in 1-2 years and thus "future proofing" is pointless.  Tech just advances too fast.  What I'm attempting to do is build a machine that is "bleeding edge", so to speak, today and "acceptable" in 5 years.  On top of that, I believe that by planning so far in advance that I will be able to tweak or change my build in relation to any advances that happen, like the aforementioned DDR5, PCI-e 5.0, and AM5, should they occur before I begin building, and act on and consider advice I get on what I should change before I have the money in hand and get the "got the money, must buy now, forget other options" bug that I always get when I finally have the chance to get something I really want.

If you've made it this far, I thank you for your dedication to atleast reading this.  I wanted to explain my thoughts on why I chose certain things and to try and answer some questions I may get, like why I'm planning a PC that I can't build until atleast 6 months from now.  If you're still willing to give advice, I'll gladly accept it.  I do apologize if I act "defensive" in replies as I have the tendency to ask for advice and then fight with it when I get it.  I'll try and avoid doing that after having put you through reading my novel of a post.

 

[gloop]

A nVidia card will be a better choice as you plan on recording + streaming nVenc is perfect. 
 

Power Supply is MASSIVELY overkill. A good 750w will be more than enough. 
 

Keyboard is just plain bad. 

[KaitouX]

22 minutes ago, gloop said:

A nVidia card will be a better choice as you plan on recording + streaming nVenc is perfect.

Considering he got a 3950X there, the plan seems to be to use it for streaming.

[orbitalbuzzsaw]

You can re-use your current cooler, case and power supply.

[Avocheeseado]

Wait for Zen 3, ampere and big navi. They are coming out in the next month or so, so seeing as you won't be building this for a while, that will be good. An Nvidia card will be better for streaming and video editing.

[Avocheeseado]

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 3.8 GHz 12-Core Processor	$429.00 @ Amazon
CPU Cooler	be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler	$85.38 @ Amazon
Motherboard	MSI MAG X570 TOMAHAWK WIFI ATX AM4 Motherboard	$237.49 @ Amazon
Memory	G.Skill Ripjaws V 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory	$139.99 @ Amazon
Storage	Corsair MP600 Force Series Gen4 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	$109.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Western Digital SN750 2 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	$309.99 @ Western Digital
Video Card	Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8 GB GAMING OC Video Card	$739.99 @ Newegg
Case	Corsair 760T ATX Full Tower Case	$187.99 @ Amazon
Power Supply	be quiet! Straight Power 11 750 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply	$149.90 @ Amazon
Optical Drive	Pioneer BDR-209DBK Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer	$70.50 @ Amazon
Case Fan	Noctua NF-A12X15 PWM CHROMAX.BLACK.SWAP 55.44 CFM 120 mm Fan	$24.90 @ Amazon
Monitor	Asus TUF Gaming VG27AQ 27.0" 2560x1440 165 Hz Monitor	$489.99 @ Amazon
Keyboard	Corsair K70 RGB MK.2 Wired Gaming Keyboard	$153.99 @ Newegg
Mouse	Logitech G502 HERO Wired Optical Mouse	$48.58 @ Walmart
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$3177.68
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-08-23 15:59 EDT-0400

This is better for your budget. But wait for new cpus and gpus to launch if you can..

[GuyWhoGamedOnAn2011Laptop]

13 hours ago, gloop said:

Power Supply is MASSIVELY overkill. A good 750w will be more than enough. 

I have read on several articles that it is a good idea to choose a PSU whose wattage is twice that of your estimate.  Of course, most of them were from 2014 so maybe something changed.

 

13 hours ago, gloop said:

Keyboard is just plain bad. 

A little more info than that would be nice.  Something wrong with the board itself?  Or just a personal preference in relation to the keys?
 

12 hours ago, Avocheeseado said:

An Nvidia card will be better for streaming and video editing.

 

13 hours ago, gloop said:

A nVidia card will be a better choice as you plan on recording + streaming nVenc is perfect. 

What exactly makes Nvidia cards better enough at recording/streaming that would make me want to choose them over the 5700 XT or just waiting for Big Navi?  Considering, as I wrote, that the 2070, 2080, and 2080 Super seem, from benchmarks of games I've seen on Youtube, to simply be slightly better 1080 Tis with Ray Tracing and that 5700 XT matches the 2070 in performance and price and is only off the 2080 and the 2080 Super's performance by 10-30 FPS while they are close to or over twice the price of the 5700 XT.  I suppose I should clarify that when I say "video editing" I mean mostly trimming videos, maybe messing with the audio, and other minor things.  In recording, I don't really understand the differences in codecs used for video and audio and have just gone by feel in the past.

[Avocheeseado]

9 minutes ago, GuyWhoGamedOnAn2011Laptop said:

I have read on several articles that it is a good idea to choose a PSU whose wattage is twice that of your estimate.  Of course, most of them were from 2014 so maybe something changed.

 

A little more info than that would be nice.  Something wrong with the board itself?  Or just a personal preference in relation to the keys?
 

 

What exactly makes Nvidia cards better enough at recording/streaming that would make me want to choose them over the 5700 XT or just waiting for Big Navi?  Considering, as I wrote, that the 2070, 2080, and 2080 Super seem, from benchmarks of games I've seen on Youtube, to simply be slightly better 1080 Tis with Ray Tracing and that 5700 XT matches the 2070 in performance and price and is only off the 2080 and the 2080 Super's performance by 10-30 FPS while they are close to or over twice the price of the 5700 XT.  I suppose I should clarify that when I say "video editing" I mean mostly trimming videos, maybe messing with the audio, and other minor things.  In recording, I don't really understand the differences in codecs used for video and audio and have just gone by feel in the past.

The nvidia cards have the NVENC encoder which is much much better than amds hardware encoder. This benefits streaming, recording and can help in video editing.

[gloop]

15 minutes ago, GuyWhoGamedOnAn2011Laptop said:

I have read on several articles that it is a good idea to choose a PSU whose wattage is twice that of your estimate.  Of course, most of them were from 2014 so maybe something changed.

1. So you are expecting a system wattage consumption of 600w? The system will consume around 350-450w under max load (p95). 
 

2. As you said, those articles are old and misinformation. If you do want to go with way more wattage than necessary, go for a RM750x or a Straight Power 11 750w. 

15 minutes ago, GuyWhoGamedOnAn2011Laptop said:

A little more info than that would be nice.  Something wrong with the board itself?  Or just a personal preference in relation to the keys?

Bad switches, keycaps, stabilizers, build quality, software and has the RGB tax. I can go more in-depth if you want. I’d point you towards a GMMK Full-Size. 
 

 

15 minutes ago, GuyWhoGamedOnAn2011Laptop said:

What exactly makes Nvidia cards better enough at recording/streaming that would make me want to choose them over the 5700 XT or just waiting for Big Navi

An encoder called ‘nVenc’. It will take away the rendering load off the CPU and free up more power for games. AMD has their own equivalent, but it’s much worse. 
 

As for editing, if you are using the Resolve/the Adobe Suite, they are heavily optimized for nVidia, with something like a 1660 super matching a 5700xt. 

Edited August 24, 2020 by gloop
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[gloop]

14 hours ago, GuyWhoGamedOnAn2011Laptop said:

they are the loudest and most clicky sounding keys out there

You clearly haven’t looked very hard. 

[GuyWhoGamedOnAn2011Laptop]

22 hours ago, gloop said:

You clearly haven’t looked very hard. 

I watched Linus' video that blind tested 22 different keys.  I figured that would be a good sample size.